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dubesor · 12/03/2012, 04:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Zeruis

Daryl's going to die. Which is good. It'll let the public audience know that the writers do not care who they are killing off, even if they have an immense fan group. Kirkman does this all the time.

Errr - nope?

You could see Daryl alive several times in the Season 3.5 preview (example 1 2). He will definitely survive the Woodbury incidents.

StanleyStutters · 12/03/2012, 05:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Zeruis

Daryl's going to die. Which is good. It'll let the public audience know that the writers do not care who they are killing off, even if they have an immense fan group. Kirkman does this all the time.

Didn't they already do that with Shane? I know a lot of people disliked the character on the show, but he did have a lot of fans and he was a huge part of the first two seasons.

Also with the Sophia situation and Carl killing Lori after she gave the birth the show has already proven they're not afraid of having dark moments or of killing off major characters.

HiggsBoson2142 · 12/03/2012, 05:27 pm

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Originally Posted by dubesor

Errr - nope?

You could see Daryl alive several times in the Season 3.5 preview (example 1 2). He will definitely survive the Woodbury incidents.

Sure. He'll survive the next episode. I like Daryl, it's just the undeniable fact that "The dead always win".

dubesor · 12/03/2012, 05:36 pm

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Originally Posted by StanleyStutters

Also with the Sophia situation and Carl killing Lori after she gave the birth the show has already proven they're not afraid of having dark moments or of killing off major characters.

Since when was Sophia ever a major character?

And Lori was probably the most hated character until then.

Shane is different. Sure he went absolutely crazy but at least he brought some spice and violence within the group which no other character really does.

Robbingrobin · 12/03/2012, 05:36 pm

Isnt this the wrong forum for this?

Viner16 · 12/03/2012, 07:55 pm

Kirkman kills characters because No one is safe in the Walking Dead

I'm pretty sure if he kept them alive people would be yelling "Oh So-and-so has plot armour so they can't die."

You can't win

StanleyStutters · 12/03/2012, 09:02 pm

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Originally Posted by dubesor

Since when was Sophia ever a major character?

And Lori was probably the most hated character until then.

Shane is different. Sure he went absolutely crazy but at least he brought some spice and violence within the group which no other character really does.

Shane was the example of them killing off a major/popular character, Sophia and Lori were examples of the show going in a darker direction (although I guess Lori could be counted as a major character). It's rare for any show to kill a child especially like that and I don't think any show has had a child have to kill their own mother.

Panzer89 · 12/03/2012, 09:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Master of Aeons

Instead, we get this sweet guy who really hasn't done a single bad thing.

It's easy to make a total psychopath asshole who we all want dead and that was pretty much comic Gov to a tee. Hiding that from the TV series audience was a good choice. Like Kirkman said, we get to see him in layers. You're slowly introduced to him and his depravity and that makes it more shocking.

And he's certainly getting on par with his comic version, I'm willing to bet he'll get even worse by the end of the season.

StanleyStutters · 12/03/2012, 09:11 pm

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Originally Posted by HelloCthulhu

Actually, killing shane was...well following the comics...he just was around for much longer...as was Lori dying. Sophia dying marks a huge deviation from the comics.

Most people watching the show haven't read the comics so to them it was a huge moment when Shane was killed off. The post I quoted states that they should kill Daryl off to show that anyone can die no matter how popular the character is. I was saying that killing Shane has already proven to the TV viewers that the show is willing to go in that direction and the deaths of Lori & Sophia show the audience that their not afraid of going in a darker direction.

Master of Aeons · 12/03/2012, 09:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Panzer89

It's easy to make a total psychopath asshole who we all want dead and that was pretty much comic Gov to a tee. Hiding that from the TV series audience was a good choice. Like Kirkman said, we get to see him in layers. You're slowly introduced to him and his depravity and that makes it more shocking.

And he's certainly getting on par with his comic version, I'm willing to bet he'll get even worse by the end of the season.

Still, I don't think the almost-rape scene did anything but show that you can't show things on primetime. Now it looks like he was a halfway decent guy with an excuse to kill. The rape scene should have been axed entirely or given to Merle.

Saoralba131 · 12/04/2012, 08:21 am

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Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

Consider it moved. All you had to do was ask, y'know.

Thanks,I never realised you could do that.

Dead Watcher · 12/04/2012, 08:33 am

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Originally Posted by HiggsBoson2142

Sure. He'll survive the next episode. I like Daryl, it's just the undeniable fact that "The dead always win".

It's more like stupid people let the dead win.

Dead Watcher · 12/04/2012, 08:38 am

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Originally Posted by StanleyStutters

Most people watching the show haven't read the comics so to them it was a huge moment when Shane was killed off. The post I quoted states that they should kill Daryl off to show that anyone can die no matter how popular the character is. I was saying that killing Shane has already proven to the TV viewers that the show is willing to go in that direction and the deaths of Lori & Sophia show the audience that their not afraid of going in a darker direction.

Killing off major characters may hurt the show since people will stop watching if characters keep getting killed off.

Robbingrobin · 12/04/2012, 08:39 am

Then they just should grow up a little bit. People die in TWD.

HelloCthulhu · 12/04/2012, 08:42 am

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Originally Posted by Dead Watcher

Killing off major characters may hurt the show since people will stop watching if characters keep getting killed off.

Willzy123 · 12/04/2012, 10:33 am

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Originally Posted by Sodawasser

I also liked the episode. It surprised me that the Governor betrayed Merle.

Merle already betrayed the Governor. Merle lied about Michonne being dead. That's why the Governor betrayed him back.

dubesor · 12/04/2012, 12:07 pm

err, wasn't really betrayal, he was killing 2 birds with 1 stone. first getting rid of merle because he was lying and couldn't be trusted and second explaining his folks that it really wasn't his fault, that they are secure but merle helped the terrorists get in.

HelloCthulhu · 12/04/2012, 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by dubesor

err, wasn't really betrayal, he was killing 2 birds with 1 stone. first getting rid of merle because he was lying and couldn't be trusted and second explaining his folks that it really wasn't his fault, that they are secure but merle helped the terrorists get in.

Except that it was a lie.

dubesor · 12/04/2012, 01:07 pm

I know, the 2nd part was. But still, the fact that Merle betrayed him majorly just before this made it seem like the governor was reasonable. they need to work on making the governor seem more like he is in the comics, more evil, less excuses.

poor guy lost his penny, poor guy keeps zombieheads to toughen against reality, yadayada. No, stop all this BS and show us the true comic governor

moyermason92 · 12/04/2012, 02:48 pm

Some of you really need to start tuning into Talking Dead. Robert Kirkman addressed that very subject Sunday night. They made a conscious decision to start him out as a very nuanced, political-type individual and they would peel these layers back over time and eventually The Governor we all know from the comics will emerge and it will be glorious. People don't seem to take the formula that the showrunners have used since the beginning into account when they form their opinions.

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12/03/2012, 05:36 pm	#25
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Isnt this the wrong forum for this?

12/03/2012, 07:55 pm	#26
Viner16 Ezekiel has a tiger... Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Ass That Spits Charm Posts: 784	Kirkman kills characters because No one is safe in the Walking Dead I'm pretty sure if he kept them alive people would be yelling "Oh So-and-so has plot armour so they can't die." You can't win

12/04/2012, 08:39 am	#34
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Then they just should grow up a little bit. People die in TWD.

12/04/2012, 12:07 pm	#37
dubesor Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 718	err, wasn't really betrayal, he was killing 2 birds with 1 stone. first getting rid of merle because he was lying and couldn't be trusted and second explaining his folks that it really wasn't his fault, that they are secure but merle helped the terrorists get in.

12/04/2012, 01:07 pm	#39
dubesor Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 718	I know, the 2nd part was. But still, the fact that Merle betrayed him majorly just before this made it seem like the governor was reasonable. they need to work on making the governor seem more like he is in the comics, more evil, less excuses. poor guy lost his penny, poor guy keeps zombieheads to toughen against reality, yadayada. No, stop all this BS and show us the true comic governor

12/04/2012, 02:48 pm	#40
moyermason92 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 26	Some of you really need to start tuning into Talking Dead. Robert Kirkman addressed that very subject Sunday night. They made a conscious decision to start him out as a very nuanced, political-type individual and they would peel these layers back over time and eventually The Governor we all know from the comics will emerge and it will be glorious. People don't seem to take the formula that the showrunners have used since the beginning into account when they form their opinions.