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Arbitrator · 12/04/2012, 08:10 am

Gah! Finished Episode 4.

I liked Mark, I liked him a lot. He came out of nowhere in terms of the episode but the three month handwave was sufficient. He was a nice guy, useful, had Lee's back and didn't constantly angst about everywhere, oh and he was a nice guy you could easily like.

But off'ing him with the cannibals after about ten minutes of screentime? I dunno, it just felt wasted. Obviously dropping say... Larry n there wouldn't have the same effect, but he was such a sacrificial lamb.

Then Chuck. I didn't know what to make of him at first. I was a little sceptical, but after his talk about protecting Clem, cutting her hair and teaching her to use a firearm, I warmed up to him.

With his 'heroic stand' to save Clem at the start of 4 it was impossible not to love him, even if you weren't a fan before. I also figured he'd get out just fine because "we never saw the body" and all that... but nope, dead. Gone. I would have at least liked to have met him in the sewers one final time (alive that is), maybe hiding out with a bite wound? Getting to talk to Lee one more time before he passes? He went out like a pro, but it still felt a bit... anti-climatic maybe? Wasted? Maybe he could have been at the school instead of Brie and it ends up rubbing even more moral dilemma in the 'save Ben' question.

I understand this is The Walking Dead and that nobody is safe, "No good deed goes unpunished" and in reality your amount of screentime wouldn't dictate how long you survived, but still, I think these are two characters I'd have liked to have spent a lot more time with.

Christine is... she isn't bad, she's just a bit... I dunno, dull? I keep forgetting she's there. Omar vanishes for most of Episode 4, but what little I saw of him in 3 and 4 made me like him a lot. Ben I found boring and bland regardless of his mess ups, Kenny just shouts at me a lot but he's still a great character.

I don't know, I'm not saying everyone needs to be Lee's best friend (I loved Larry as a character), but I feel like we're stuck with the more dull deadweights whilst the interesting potential guys get off'ed about ten minutes later.

On an unrelated note, I heard the zombie contest winner appears in 4. Who was it?

Robbingrobin · 12/04/2012, 08:16 am

Christa und Omid are the names. But I feel with you, I really liked Mark, too. He was very nice, even a little too nice. First I hoped he would survive the farm, because he was just very awesome, but I grew sceptical as Brenda did not wanted Lee to visit him.

Charles was awesome, tough. He had the spirit to survive all this, and this maybe took his life. I was really dissapointed when I found his corpse.

Christ and Omid are both really awesome characters, the one while he maintains his humor, and the other one is just one strong woman, careful and protective, traits which fit very well in TWD.

Tyrant · 12/04/2012, 08:17 am

Telltale is most likely treating characters as expendable like Kirkman has been doing with his comics lately.

Like in The Walking Dead #100.

Arbitrator · 12/04/2012, 08:22 am

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Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

Christa und Omid are the names. But I feel with you, I really liked Mark, too. He was very nice, even a little too nice. First I hoped he would survive the farm, because he was just very awesome, but I grew sceptical as Brenda did not wanted Lee to visit him.

Charles was awesome, tough. He had the spirit to survive all this, and this maybe took his life. I was really dissapointed when I found his corpse.

I expect it came from him having witnessed a girl like Clem die before. He was pretty much going to do anything to stop himself from seeing that happen again, so he bought them the time to get away regardless of the cost to himself rather than risk just dragging more with him if he tried to break through to them. It was a nice touch, however tragic.

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Christ and Omid are both really awesome characters, the one while he maintains his humor, and the other one is just one strong woman, careful and protective, traits which fit very well in TWD.

I mean don't get me wrong here, I like just about every character in the main crew. Omid I like for having a more upbeat, humorous angle. I do also enjoy Christa being so protective of both Omid and Clem, whilst at the same time knowing when to take a risk, disagreeing with Lee at (perfectly valid) times and going right ahead the others. I just feel like she's the least interesting of the Episode 3/4 cast, you know? Still a good character, just not standing out.

Molly was okay. I think the whole "badass chick with a chip on her shoulder" trope is a bit overdone, but still a pretty decent character.

Robbingrobin · 12/04/2012, 08:24 am

Alright! I did not think you would not have liked thim. I just wanted to share my opinion. And I think outstanding characters in a ZA are... Weird! I like that they both are so normal.

CharmingBirch · 12/04/2012, 08:27 am

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Then Chuck. I didn't know what to make of him at first. I was a little sceptical, but after his talk about protecting Clem, cutting her hair and teaching her to use a firearm, I warmed up to him.

I loved Chuck. Less so on the train, but once they met up with Christa and Omid and he played his guitar for the group, I couldn't help it.

Mornai · 12/04/2012, 08:50 am

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On an unrelated note, I heard the zombie contest winner appears in 4. Who was it?

The 1st place winner was Brie, and she appears again as a walker in episode 5.

I really liked Chuck, and was disappointed that he was killed off so suddenly. I always found myself wanting his wise opinions and advice on the situations that occurred. Would he have agreed with the Crawford plan? His opinion on Molly/Vernon's group? His reaction when they realize there is still a functional boat in Savannah? When Lee gets bit? Cutting Lee's his arm off? Etc.

I have a feeling he would have elected to stay behind regarding the boat so some else didn't have to.

I liked Mark well enough, but i was constantly annoyed that we never know/see how he joined the group, only hinted and teased that we found him at an air force base. I would have liked to see more of the groups opinions/interactions with him, but alas.

Ghositex · 12/04/2012, 01:12 pm

I agree Chuck and Mark were taken out of the storyline awkwardly fast, but I think the problem is, that we get to emotionally bound with everyone. The only character I didn't really like was Larry, and I didn't really get to know Shawn really well , but I had a really bad time with everyone else's death. Nearly everyone in the comics has been taken out so far, too(at least from Rick's original atlanta-survivor group), the difference is that newcomers don't get killed the following issue
I'd like Clementine surviving during the whole season, honestly. Not because she's one of the most-liked characters, but because the game wouldn't really be the same without her...

Zeruis · 12/04/2012, 01:17 pm

Here's one for you, alright? This is TWD. Creator's don't care who they are killing off. Kirkman kills off fan favorites quite regularly. Frankly, I grew extremely pissed at this and quit reading the comics after issue 100.

Ghositex · 12/04/2012, 01:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Zeruis

Here's one for you, alright? This is TWD. Creator's don't care who they are killing off. Kirkman kills off fan favorites quite regularly. Frankly, I grew extremely pissed at this and quit reading the comics after issue 100.

His death got me pretty pissed at R.Kirkman too, but now that I think about it, he died in a pretty god-damn awesome way. I mean, he could have just died being shot in the head.. instead, we got this long being-beaten-to-death scene.

Textbook · 12/04/2012, 01:41 pm

I actually thought Glen's death was weak. It was such an "Oh it's issue 100, guess I better kill someone" moment, felt really forced.

CarScar · 12/04/2012, 01:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Textbook

I actually thought Glen's death was weak. It was such an "Oh it's issue 100, guess I better kill someone" moment, felt really forced.

I thought it was nice, it reinforced the notion that anyone can die at any moment. What I like about Kirkman is that he has the balls to kill anyone he wants, if it were any other writer in Kirkman's situation they would have just did the cough out and killed Heath or would have made Glenn's death a big heroic sacrifice (which usually comes off as cliche and silly).

The brutality was a nice plus too.

Textbook · 12/04/2012, 01:51 pm

Why do we have to put things in spoiler marks in the spoiler forum?

Killing Glenn is a boner in my book because I wanted to see two young parents start a family in this world and explore what that would be like. That avenue is closed off now.

**Jake** · 12/04/2012, 01:56 pm

Game spoiler forum doesn't necesarilly mean comic spoilers. People who come here to discuss the game but haven't read the comic shouldn't be dissuaded from eventually reading it because the game forum spoilers huge events for them.

Master of Aeons · 12/04/2012, 05:49 pm

I used to think that I was like Glenn in the Walking Dead. But now I'm clearly Omid.

TheRickGrimes · 12/04/2012, 07:10 pm

I loved Glenn :c

dinofire · 12/04/2012, 11:15 pm

Mark and Chuck were really cool and nice :C
I would totally take either of them over Ben if I had the chance but Ben is OK :/
Brenda's Delicious Homemade ~~Mark-leg~~ Ben-leg is on the menu tonight, get your share!

I like Omid too, he's really funny and has a good sense of humor.

I don't really like Christa, she's a bit naggy :P

Will85 · 12/05/2012, 08:43 am

Yea but if they kill off every character that the fans really like, they are going to ruin the series. fans are not going to want to keep adjusting to new characters constantly. They need to keep at least a few favorites around. There has to be balance. Some people will die, thats inevitable, but some have to survive, otherwise whats the point? To watch an endless stream of enjoyable characters die in various ways. At least with me, it turns me off to the series and the video game.

Robbingrobin · 12/05/2012, 09:20 am

Jeez! People die in the walkind dead! The characters, every single one is there for DYING. Kirkman will even let Rick die, as he said! Maybe Carl will die! Maybe Clem will die! Omid and Christa will die! They all die!

EVERYONE will die!

Arbitrator · 12/05/2012, 09:31 am

I know how The Walking Dead works, I was reading the comics before everybody and their mum discovered it via the TV series, my point is we barely see some of these characters develop. Its inevitable just about everybody is going to die, sure, but I do think characters like Mark and Chuck bit it too early for such potentially great characters in order to make the impact even harder. If Christa or Omid died in Episode 4 it wouldn't have been nearly as great as how on end I was during five.

12/04/2012, 01:12 pm	#8
Ghositex Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: A house. With windows. Posts: 380	I agree Chuck and Mark were taken out of the storyline awkwardly fast, but I think the problem is, that we get to emotionally bound with everyone. The only character I didn't really like was Larry, and I didn't really get to know Shawn really well , but I had a really bad time with everyone else's death. Nearly everyone in the comics has been taken out so far, too(at least from Rick's original atlanta-survivor group), the difference is that newcomers don't get killed the following issue I'd like Clementine surviving during the whole season, honestly. Not because she's one of the most-liked characters, but because the game wouldn't really be the same without her... __________________ ~Goodbye, she quietly says~ Last edited by Ghositex; 12/04/2012 at 01:14 pm.

12/04/2012, 01:41 pm	#11
Textbook Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 79	I actually thought Glen's death was weak. It was such an "Oh it's issue 100, guess I better kill someone" moment, felt really forced. Last edited by Jake; 12/04/2012 at 01:55 pm. Reason: Dropped spoiler tags in

12/04/2012, 01:51 pm	#13
Textbook Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 79	Why do we have to put things in spoiler marks in the spoiler forum? Killing Glenn is a boner in my book because I wanted to see two young parents start a family in this world and explore what that would be like. That avenue is closed off now. Last edited by Jake; 12/04/2012 at 01:55 pm.

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12/04/2012, 08:10 am	#1
Arbitrator Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 67	Stop wasting my favourites, TellTale! Gah! Finished Episode 4. I liked Mark, I liked him a lot. He came out of nowhere in terms of the episode but the three month handwave was sufficient. He was a nice guy, useful, had Lee's back and didn't constantly angst about everywhere, oh and he was a nice guy you could easily like. But off'ing him with the cannibals after about ten minutes of screentime? I dunno, it just felt wasted. Obviously dropping say... Larry n there wouldn't have the same effect, but he was such a sacrificial lamb. Then Chuck. I didn't know what to make of him at first. I was a little sceptical, but after his talk about protecting Clem, cutting her hair and teaching her to use a firearm, I warmed up to him. With his 'heroic stand' to save Clem at the start of 4 it was impossible not to love him, even if you weren't a fan before. I also figured he'd get out just fine because "we never saw the body" and all that... but nope, dead. Gone. I would have at least liked to have met him in the sewers one final time (alive that is), maybe hiding out with a bite wound? Getting to talk to Lee one more time before he passes? He went out like a pro, but it still felt a bit... anti-climatic maybe? Wasted? Maybe he could have been at the school instead of Brie and it ends up rubbing even more moral dilemma in the 'save Ben' question. I understand this is The Walking Dead and that nobody is safe, "No good deed goes unpunished" and in reality your amount of screentime wouldn't dictate how long you survived, but still, I think these are two characters I'd have liked to have spent a lot more time with. Christine is... she isn't bad, she's just a bit... I dunno, dull? I keep forgetting she's there. Omar vanishes for most of Episode 4, but what little I saw of him in 3 and 4 made me like him a lot. Ben I found boring and bland regardless of his mess ups, Kenny just shouts at me a lot but he's still a great character. I don't know, I'm not saying everyone needs to be Lee's best friend (I loved Larry as a character), but I feel like we're stuck with the more dull deadweights whilst the interesting potential guys get off'ed about ten minutes later. On an unrelated note, I heard the zombie contest winner appears in 4. Who was it? Last edited by Arbitrator; 12/04/2012 at 08:18 am.

12/04/2012, 08:16 am	#2
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Christa und Omid are the names. But I feel with you, I really liked Mark, too. He was very nice, even a little too nice. First I hoped he would survive the farm, because he was just very awesome, but I grew sceptical as Brenda did not wanted Lee to visit him. Charles was awesome, tough. He had the spirit to survive all this, and this maybe took his life. I was really dissapointed when I found his corpse. Christ and Omid are both really awesome characters, the one while he maintains his humor, and the other one is just one strong woman, careful and protective, traits which fit very well in TWD.

12/04/2012, 08:17 am	#3
Tyrant Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 136	Telltale is most likely treating characters as expendable like Kirkman has been doing with his comics lately. Like in The Walking Dead #100.

12/04/2012, 08:24 am	#5
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Alright! I did not think you would not have liked thim. I just wanted to share my opinion. And I think outstanding characters in a ZA are... Weird! I like that they both are so normal.

12/04/2012, 01:17 pm	#9
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,980	Here's one for you, alright? This is TWD. Creator's don't care who they are killing off. Kirkman kills off fan favorites quite regularly. Frankly, I grew extremely pissed at this and quit reading the comics after issue 100.

12/04/2012, 01:56 pm	#14
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,873	Game spoiler forum doesn't necesarilly mean comic spoilers. People who come here to discuss the game but haven't read the comic shouldn't be dissuaded from eventually reading it because the game forum spoilers huge events for them.

12/04/2012, 05:49 pm	#15
Master of Aeons Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,688	I used to think that I was like Glenn in the Walking Dead. But now I'm clearly Omid.

12/04/2012, 07:10 pm	#16
TheRickGrimes trollface Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: ...I'm not sure myself. Posts: 289	I loved Glenn :c

12/04/2012, 11:15 pm	#17
dinofire Kenny,Ben & Omid FTW Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 175	Mark and Chuck were really cool and nice :C I would totally take either of them over Ben if I had the chance but Ben is OK :/ Brenda's Delicious Homemade ~~Mark-leg~~ Ben-leg is on the menu tonight, get your share! I like Omid too, he's really funny and has a good sense of humor. I don't really like Christa, she's a bit naggy :P

12/05/2012, 08:43 am	#18
Will85 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 35	Yea but if they kill off every character that the fans really like, they are going to ruin the series. fans are not going to want to keep adjusting to new characters constantly. They need to keep at least a few favorites around. There has to be balance. Some people will die, thats inevitable, but some have to survive, otherwise whats the point? To watch an endless stream of enjoyable characters die in various ways. At least with me, it turns me off to the series and the video game.

12/05/2012, 09:20 am	#19
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Jeez! People die in the walkind dead! The characters, every single one is there for DYING. Kirkman will even let Rick die, as he said! Maybe Carl will die! Maybe Clem will die! Omid and Christa will die! They all die! EVERYONE will die!

12/05/2012, 09:31 am	#20
Arbitrator Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 67	I know how The Walking Dead works, I was reading the comics before everybody and their mum discovered it via the TV series, my point is we barely see some of these characters develop. Its inevitable just about everybody is going to die, sure, but I do think characters like Mark and Chuck bit it too early for such potentially great characters in order to make the impact even harder. If Christa or Omid died in Episode 4 it wouldn't have been nearly as great as how on end I was during five.