In the even of zombie apocalypse, would the president nuke the country ?

[Master of Aeons]

You missed the point of that. If the brain decays, as you say, there's nothing sustaining the zombie according to the rules of the lore. Zombies function off of the brain. If you destroy that, they die. If it's already destroyed, then the premise makes no sense.

That's why we're saying there's magic.

[Merlynn]

Originally Posted by Typicaljacob

hahaha bury my topic in words but on the contrary, we did see a tank (which i still dont get how to the tank crews didnt make it) and an entire basecamp defending the CDC got overrun in the show in season 1. and im assuming you watched the new episode when carl goes alone and finds the new group? but carl and most of the survivors have been against the walkers for months at this point. They are trained at this point, they dont freeze up and take immediate action when taking care of walkers. Im talking in a time period between the initial outbreak and little after it, to the point that nuking cities to kill off ALOT of walkers surrounding the VIP's location is an option. Not three months after the outbreak. and does anyone know if vaccum bombs can only be deployed by aircraft? also, how do you know that the VIP's are gonna care about the other survivors? what if they dont want other survivors to come to their location? Most likely, the people who make the executive decision are not gonna want to spend more limited supplies to more people in order to re-ensure the survival of the VIP's ( this is only worst case scenario, i hope people arent like this!)

Actually,this bunch is pretty stupid. It's like watching someone die on easy in Left 4 Dead. But see,the tank was still in one piece. So the question then is,what happened to the tank crew? Since the sheriff just sat in the tank til the zombies wandered off,it's obvious they couldn't break into the tank. One could say the tank ran out of gas,but that's not gonna happen cause the tank crew would know to get out of the zombie infested city and to some kind of refueling station well before they ran out of gas. That is,of course,if there's any zombies left after you blasted them to bits with the tank's main gun.

No,the only way to get at that tank crew is the same way they infected everyone else. I'm guessing some kind of gas bomb that spreads a super concentrated version of the virus that infects like an airborne virus for a little while. I can't imagine any other reason they'd abandon a tank. And you'll also note that that base was over run. Indicating there were lots and lots and lots of zombies. Do you really think even a dozen zombies would get past even 5 national guard?

In the end,the only way it's gonna work is if there's lots of zombies at the start all over,spreading the military and police thin and probably targetted at those forces. Otherwise,the army'd just surround the infected zone and kill all the zombies. Then,IF the army failed,and it'd be a big if,they'd probably nuke a single city to wipe out most of the infected,if they used nukes at all. So yeah,it'd have to be a coordinated attack.

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Merlynn

Actually,this bunch is pretty stupid. It's like watching someone die on easy in Left 4 Dead. But see,the tank was still in one piece. So the question then is,what happened to the tank crew? Since the sheriff just sat in the tank til the zombies wandered off,it's obvious they couldn't break into the tank. One could say the tank ran out of gas,but that's not gonna happen cause the tank crew would know to get out of the zombie infested city and to some kind of refueling station well before they ran out of gas. That is,of course,if there's any zombies left after you blasted them to bits with the tank's main gun.

No,the only way to get at that tank crew is the same way they infected everyone else. I'm guessing some kind of gas bomb that spreads a super concentrated version of the virus that infects like an airborne virus for a little while. I can't imagine any other reason they'd abandon a tank. And you'll also note that that base was over run. Indicating there were lots and lots and lots of zombies. Do you really think even a dozen zombies would get past even 5 national guard?

In the end,the only way it's gonna work is if there's lots of zombies at the start all over,spreading the military and police thin and probably targetted at those forces. Otherwise,the army'd just surround the infected zone and kill all the zombies. Then,IF the army failed,and it'd be a big if,they'd probably nuke a single city to wipe out most of the infected,if they used nukes at all. So yeah,it'd have to be a coordinated attack.

Uh, you're overthinking it. It's just bad writing.

[Typicaljacob]

Originally Posted by Merlynn

Actually,this bunch is pretty stupid. It's like watching someone die on easy in Left 4 Dead. But see,the tank was still in one piece. So the question then is,what happened to the tank crew? Since the sheriff just sat in the tank til the zombies wandered off,it's obvious they couldn't break into the tank. One could say the tank ran out of gas,but that's not gonna happen cause the tank crew would know to get out of the zombie infested city and to some kind of refueling station well before they ran out of gas. That is,of course,if there's any zombies left after you blasted them to bits with the tank's main gun.

No,the only way to get at that tank crew is the same way they infected everyone else. I'm guessing some kind of gas bomb that spreads a super concentrated version of the virus that infects like an airborne virus for a little while. I can't imagine any other reason they'd abandon a tank. And you'll also note that that base was over run. Indicating there were lots and lots and lots of zombies. Do you really think even a dozen zombies would get past even 5 national guard?

In the end,the only way it's gonna work is if there's lots of zombies at the start all over,spreading the military and police thin and probably targetted at those forces. Otherwise,the army'd just surround the infected zone and kill all the zombies. Then,IF the army failed,and it'd be a big if,they'd probably nuke a single city to wipe out most of the infected,if they used nukes at all. So yeah,it'd have to be a coordinated attack.

well, (in just some of the observations i have made) some people in movies ( yes, i know its hollywood) also stay with bite victims, denying themselves that theyll turn, kinda like kenny. You know what im saying? maybe a tank crew member, possibly a machine gunner at the top got bit and said he was fine and the crew just let it go although consciously thinking about it too and thats how they all died.. i mean, soldiers got feelings too. and maybe one of them shot an infected personnel and the other thought it was unnecessary friendly fire and everyone turned against each other.. thoughts on this speculation? but i do agree with the thought that the military wouldnt be overrun unless the numbers were way overwhelming, which i imagined what happened at the CDC.

[Merlynn]

Aeons: Sometimes filling in plot holes can lead to much better story elements than the author intended. So it's always good to take a long look at bad writing and think "How can we make this work?"

Jake: I kind of doubt anyone's going to expose themselves like that for no reason. And when dealing with zombies,it's best to keep the inches of steel armor between you and them. So while that tank crew might've gotten killed,I can't imagine the tank would remain unclaimed for long. If nothing else,you'd heli in another crew to retake it.

But the fact the tank was abandoned is proof enough that the military was stretched to thin,even to recover a valuable resource like that.

[Typicaljacob]

Originally Posted by Merlynn

Jake: I kind of doubt anyone's going to expose themselves like that for no reason. And when dealing with zombies,it's best to keep the inches of steel armor between you and them. So while that tank crew might've gotten killed,I can't imagine the tank would remain unclaimed for long. If nothing else,you'd heli in another crew to retake it.

But the fact the tank was abandoned is proof enough that the military was stretched to thin,even to recover a valuable resource like that.

To heli in another crew is suicide! but i do agree about the military being stretched thin

[owner070]

Umm a nuke ? Best idea the most things will turn into million pieces includes zombies and humans so just bring zombies together with a big noise shit and BOOM the most zombies will die and after that just search for alive zombies with a thermal scope shit and a helicopter First nuke Australia and then bring the most saved people to there no zombie will reach there because of the waters around of it. Good plan isnt it ?

[Rock114]

What if the radiation made them smart? Huh? I read a book set in a ZA (not related to TWD) called Day by Day Armageddon (which I really reccomend, along with its sequel) in which the US government decides to nuke the largest cities in the country early on (about two months after the virus first arrived in the US) but the dead weren't even really phased by it. In fact, later on in the book the main character writes about some of the dead getting faster, not really running, but they're moving faster than their usual shuffle. Plus, the irradiated zombies are, well, irradiated. They wander around contaminating areas, especially the larger irradiated herds that wander the countryside.

So even though the dead won't get smarter or faster (hopefully), they'll still be radioactive and contaminating anything they touch. They don't have to worry about radiation sickness, or cancer, or tumors, but the surrvivors that go up against them will. Unless the zombies are the ones from 28 Days later, or Left 4 Dead, the nukes would just make things even WORSE.

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Merlynn

Aeons: Sometimes filling in plot holes can lead to much better story elements than the author intended. So it's always good to take a long look at bad writing and think "How can we make this work?

I can agree with that. Though depending on the source, that's either done later or never done and you're better off with head canon. As far as the Walking Dead show goes, guess away.

[Alcoremortis]

According to the ultimate science source (I am, of course, referring to comic books) all the zombies would get superpowers and we'd be fucked.

[Kaserkin]

Nukes are the most useless weapons ever. For TWD zombies, normal soldiers are fine. For 28 Days Later/L4D nerve gases or napalm should do the trick.

[Typicaljacob]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Nukes are the most useless weapons ever. For TWD zombies, normal soldiers are fine. For 28 Days Later/L4D nerve gases or napalm should do the trick.

normal soldiers? how many are going to get infected or not infected? thats the risk. the entire platoon or even a regiment could get wiped out when there a whole city full against them.

[Typicaldavid]

this is my new account, since my friend, jake, got tired of all the emails haha

[Kaserkin]

Originally Posted by Typicaljacob

normal soldiers? how many are going to get infected or not infected? thats the risk. the entire platoon or even a regiment could get wiped out when there a whole city full against them.

Zombies are slow. Soldiers are fast. Zombies bite. Soldiers fire. If it's too bad, just drive over them with tanks.

[Typicaldavid]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Zombies are slow. Soldiers are fast. Zombies bite. Soldiers fire. If it's too bad, just drive over them with tanks.

so what happens when the tanks are crawling with them? shoot them? sure, but then thatll just attract the attention of walkers. tanks can only so much. even with a cannon. at best it could obliterate 10 walkers or kill them. but now you got some crawling zombies. and the tanks would only be able to fire foward and not so much side to side ( assuming the formation would be side by side). 1 or two tanks per street isnt going to do either. theres just too many of them. Im talking about a major city full of them. also, enough bodies could probably jam up the tracks. what then? if you have infantry following the tanks, and the tank is stuck or crawling with them. the tanks cant neccesarily do anything for the infantry behind. infantry's gun fire attracts the walkers. too many walkers = infantry falling back or scattering. tanks are left alone. results into alot of casualties.

[Kaserkin]

Originally Posted by Typicaldavid

so what happens when the tanks are crawling with them? shoot them? sure, but then thatll just attract the attention of walkers. tanks can only so much. even with a cannon. at best it could obliterate 10 walkers or kill them. but now you got some crawling zombies. and the tanks would only be able to fire foward and not so much side to side ( assuming the formation would be side by side). 1 or two tanks per street isnt going to do either. theres just too many of them. Im talking about a major city full of them. also, enough bodies could probably jam up the tracks. what then? if you have infantry following the tanks, and the tank is stuck or crawling with them. the tanks cant neccesarily do anything for the infantry behind. infantry's gun fire attracts the walkers. too many walkers = infantry falling back or scattering. tanks are left alone. results into alot of casualties.

Tanks are NEVER deployed alone in today's wars and are supported by infantry. So a platoon of 40 soldiers with select-fire assault rifles, decent leadership and various support such as transports or snipers can easily outmatch slow-moving zombies.

EDIT: in case you want to take a city back, just deploy squads on top of buildings in helicopters, and be sure the soldiers don't run out of ammo.

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Tanks are NEVER deployed alone in today's wars and are supported by infantry. So a platoon of 40 soldiers with select-fire assault rifles, decent leadership and various support such as transports or snipers can easily outmatch slow-moving zombies.

EDIT: in case you want to take a city back, just deploy squads on top of buildings in helicopters, and be sure the soldiers don't run out of ammo.

Hm, if the city is swarming with zeds they would probably eat all the soldiers and then siege on the tanks which can not drive forever. Choppers have malfunctions and no endless fuel, while there are zombies in the buildings to, who would hear the guys on the roof and follow them upwarts to swarm them there. Yeah, of course the military could maybe kill thousand, two thousand of them. But they are probably more, depending on how fast the military can act. Theres also always a moral factor. I think the most people, even soldiers would be pretty damn terrified.

[Kaserkin]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

Hm, if the city is swarming with zeds they would probably eat all the soldiers and then siege on the tanks which can not drive forever. Choppers have malfunctions and no endless fuel, while there are zombies in the buildings to, who would hear the guys on the roof and follow them upwarts to swarm them there. Yeah, of course the military could maybe kill thousand, two thousand of them. But they are probably more, depending on how fast the military can act. Theres also always a moral factor. I think the most people, even soldiers would be pretty damn terrified.

Look helicopters, tanks and any other weapon the military uses needs to be very reliable. About panic factor: well, the first few days there will be some, when you see the zombies are slow and dumb the boys will get the upper hand. About shortages: the army has a good logistic component, so I won't worry about it. If you are scared by urban warfare and you don't think a few soldiers can hold a rooftop against zombies, you can just attract them outside the cities and set up serious firebases and minefields there.

[Typicaldavid]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Tanks are NEVER deployed alone in today's wars and are supported by infantry. So a platoon of 40 soldiers with select-fire assault rifles, decent leadership and various support such as transports or snipers can easily outmatch slow-moving zombies.

EDIT: in case you want to take a city back, just deploy squads on top of buildings in helicopters, and be sure the soldiers don't run out of ammo.

my reply on top just elaborated about infantry being deployed with tanks....

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Look helicopters, tanks and any other weapon the military uses needs to be very reliable. About panic factor: well, the first few days there will be some, when you see the zombies are slow and dumb the boys will get the upper hand. About shortages: the army has a good logistic component, so I won't worry about it. If you are scared by urban warfare and you don't think a few soldiers can hold a rooftop against zombies, you can just attract them outside the cities and set up serious firebases and minefields there.

by the time those "first few days" have passed, it can be expected that at least a solid amount of people have been infected. and putting soldiers on rooftops is a bad idea. theyll be walkers in the buildings too. most tall building have only one way, which is the door. what will the men do when there isnt much support at the moment and thiers hundreds of them going through that door? Sure, there might be some smart officers that tell them to try control the flow by letting them in one by one. but how many of those officers will there be? and shortages happen all the time, theres no such thing as unlimited resources. and attracting them outside the city is especially a bad idea. no control flow and just spread out with numbers much so on the zombie's side. how many of those shots and explosions will kill the brain?

[Kaserkin]

Originally Posted by Typicaldavid

my reply on top just elaborated about infantry being deployed with tanks....



by the time those "first few days" have passed, it can be expected that at least a solid amount of people have been infected. and putting soldiers on rooftops is a bad idea. theyll be walkers in the buildings too. most tall building have only one way, which is the door. what will the men do when there isnt much support at the moment and thiers hundreds of them going through that door? Sure, there might be some smart officers that tell them to try control the flow by letting them in one by one. but how many of those officers will there be? and shortages happen all the time, theres no such thing as unlimited resources. and attracting them outside the city is especially a bad idea. no control flow and just spread out with numbers much so on the zombie's side. how many of those shots and explosions will kill the brain?

No need for explosions, simple semi-auto fire. About rooftops, having an helicopter staying on it (if it's a big building) for evac. The idea behind making them get outside the cities is to "channel" them in one direction and let their numbers play against them (they are stuck). No need for unlimited resources: arsenals are full and securing a few factories and getting someone to work in them isn't that hard. I'm not saying it will be sorted out in a few days, but after a few weeks everything will be under control.