Was Clem African-American ?

[dubesor]

Originally Posted by Pride

Actually, that Rue girl's actress looks like she could play Clem if she ever appeared on the TV show
She's exactly what I pictured Clem would look like in real life
Just give her some green contacts and a hat and you got Clem!

I mean, just look!

Pretty close, yea.
Just add a tiny bit of asian and we have clem.

[Obsidian14]

Originally Posted by CharmingBirch

Have yet to see an ethnic group in Asia that resemble African-Americans. You say potato, I say 'sure, alright'.

Well, you'd be technically wrong.

Like someone said earlier... Asia is "Fucking big", and people don't usually stay put it one place. That applies particularly to the island nations of Southeast Asia. You see, the dominant ethnicity of maritime Southeast Asia (i.e. excluding most of Indochina) is Austronesian, which is not "Asian" in the most common American definition of the word (which basically equates it with East Asians - the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and Indochinese). The most common American image of Austronesians are of Polynesians, who are a subset of the Austronesian peoples. Austronesians are, to describe them in a single word, "islanders". They're a maritime culture, having spread throughout almost half of the Earth's oceans in nothing but small boats. They can be found from as far west as Madagascar to as far east as Rapa Nui. Their southernmost branch are the Māori of New Zealand, and in the north, the minority aboriginal groups of Taiwan and southern China.

And Austronesians look pretty different from East Asians. While Austronesians commonly exhibit the phenotype of the slightly slanted eyes, they rarely actually have epicanthic folds (the fold of skin on the inner corners of the upper eyelids connecting it with the nose). That feature is more common among East Asians, Central Asians, the Indochinese, the Khoisan of Africa, and peoples along the Arctic circle (including the more northernmost European peoples; Björk, an Icelander, being a well-known example). Austronesians also usually have deep brown skin and naturally slightly wavy to yes, curly hair, again in contrast to East Asians.

More particularly, there's a number of unrelated ethnic groups in Southeast Asia that closely resemble Africans. They look so much alike that they were referred to by the Spanish as "Negritos" (literally 'little black people'). They're some of the original peoples in maritime Southeast Asia and can still be found in the Nicobar islands, the Andamans, parts of Indonesia and Malaysia, and are most numerous in the Philippines. There's also the Melanesians of eastern Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and western Oceania, another unrelated ethnic group which also exhibit traits that are very much African, though they have a much wider variety of hair color (light brown to blond hair occurs naturally and fairly frequently among Melanesians).

And it is in the Philippines (particularly in the southern islands), the easternmost islands of Indonesia (particularly in New Guinea), and parts of Oceania (e.g. the Solomon Islands and Samoa), where Austronesians have intermixed the most with Negrito groups and Melanesians. It's not at all unusual to find the traits of tightly curled hair nor of fuller lips there. The same with Madagascar, where Austronesians have actually intermarried with Africans coming in from the mainland. And yes, they look a lot like Clem's mom. While almost half of Austronesians are technically not "Asian", they originated from and are still present in Southeast Asia. Here are two pictures of Austronesian women:

Loreto Paras-Sulit, a Filipina writer:


A young Samoan woman:


Note that I'm not saying Clem's mom was Asian, just saying that some Asians do indeed look African. That said, I also thought Clem was mixed ethnicity. It would still make her Black though... by most definitions, anyway.

But I also didn't think Christa was Black at all. I thought she was Latina or South Asian.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by dubesor

Pretty close, yea.
Just add a tiny bit of asian and we have clem.

Or don't add any asian, since Clem isn't.

[kongdong]

she isn't asian but she has some asian attributes in her looks. maybe grandparents or smth

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by kongdong

she isn't asian but she has some asian attributes in her looks. maybe grandparents or smth

Nah. If you'll notice her light colored eyes (an attribute that neither blacks or asians have) you'll see that she is mixed, but with caucasian not asian.

[dubesor]

Originally Posted by Eric Northman

Nah. If you'll notice her light colored eyes (an attribute that neither blacks or asians have)

Wrong. Plenty of asian areas have light colored eyes. And the shape of her eyes is rather slit, another asian attribute, usually not to be found in caucasian areas.. not even to mention her skin color. definitely some asian in there. her mom (picture next to answering machine also shows many signs of asian mix, most likely some Asian Filipino influence).

then again, this is a game. A person designing the characters might just do their thing without paying too much attention to exact biological genetic attributes.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by dubesor

Wrong. Plenty of asian areas have light colored eyes. And the shape of her eyes is rather slit, another asian attribute, usually not to be found in caucasian areas.. not even to mention her skin color. definitely some asian in there. her mom (picture next to answering machine also shows many signs of asian mix, most likely some Asian Filipino influence).

then again, this is a game. A person designing the characters might just do their thing without paying too much attention to exact biological genetic attributes.

I know a ton of asians, I mean a TON. Hmong's, filipino's, chinese, japanese, not one has light colored eyes (excluding the ones that use color contacts), and NONE of them have eyes shaped like Clems. She IS black, not asian. The makers even said they changed her race from caucasian so that people in the game could make the mistake of thinking that she is Lee's daughter, that's why Clem wasn't white, why change her race to match with Lee and then still leave room for ambiguity by making her half asian? You are reading way to much to her having the slightest hint of a "slit" to her eyes Lastly there is a skin color that exists amongst blacks (I've heard it refered to as high yellow in certain movies) that matches Clems skin tone perfectly, that makes it far from being certain that there is "definitely some asian in there".

[dubesor]

Sorry but your post is BS. Plenty of asians have lightcolored eyes.
Example of Clems eyecolor:
(you can look it up, name is Go Ara, no contact lenses and no known caucasians ancestors). This is just one example, there are hundreds of thousands of asian people with lighter eyes.
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8...256017o7rm.jpg
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/6...tonnuur9pr.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/2...abdca619md.jpg

Okay maybe blue and green eyes are very uncommon among asians, but a lighter brown/hazel definitely IS NOT.

[thestalkinghead]

why are you arguing about it, i thought Clementine may have been asian at first, but the dev's have said she is black, so i was wrong, maybe they could have made that more clear but nit picking details wont make her change her race

[dubesor]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

why are you arguing about it, i thought Clementine may have been asian at first, but the dev's have said she is black, so i was wrong, maybe they could have made that more clear but nit picking details wont make her change her race

I never said she wasn't black. I said she was african american from the very beginning. All I said was that her looks imply that she is a mix. and that she had asian influence. That is all.

[kongdong]

i think we can all conclude she isn't pure black. she definately had some mixes may it be caucasian or asian. personally i always thought she was asian but whatever. this topic is pointless anyways since this isn't a real person but just someone who was drawing someone. could be any race without any proof to back it up since the person doesnt really exist. her looks scream to me: 80% black 20% asian.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by dubesor

Sorry but your post is BS. Plenty of asians have lightcolored eyes.
Example of Clems eyecolor:
(you can look it up, name is Go Ara, no contact lenses and no known caucasians ancestors). This is just one example, there are hundreds of thousands of asian people with lighter eyes.
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8...256017o7rm.jpg
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/6...tonnuur9pr.jpg
http://img282.imageshack.us/img282/2...abdca619md.jpg

Okay maybe blue and green eyes are very uncommon among asians, but a lighter brown/hazel definitely IS NOT.

Gee, she looks kind of mixed, Almost like she isn't completely asian, almost like one of her parents (or grand parents, or great grand parents) is white. You know there have been a lot of GI's over in asian countries for many many years (many of them feel a sense of shame about having some caucasian heritage, that's where the term son of a gun comes from, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she didn't choose to share the fact that she is mixed). You say that she isn't mixed, I say you are full of BS.

[Eric Northman]

You know, this is starting to bring out a negative side of me. I apologize to anyone that I may have offended, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I'm sorry for being rude and argumentative, it was uncalled for and just not necessary. Again, I'm sorry for being a jerk, from now on Clem can be as asian as anyone wants her to be and I won't say a word against it.

[dubesor]

wow you are constantly contradicting yourself. she is korean. she is asian. by your logic no one can be assigned to any race because maybe everyone has some mix 20+ generations ahead.
Clem DOES look asian. there are like 20 people in this thread who already said this and a couple of hundreds on the subreddit. Your logic was that Clem can't be asian-mix because she has a lighter eyecolor. I posted pictures proofing you wrong.

Even if Go Ara wasn't full asian (which she is btw, full korean) - what tells us clems ancestors weren't asian-mixes with lighter eyes like go ara themselves? Gosh this is just getting dumb, huge troll who is constantly contradicting himself, I'm done wasting my time. She definitely looks like a african-american/asian mix (read others on this thread please). She looks absolutely nothing like any Caucasian I have ever seen. And I am white myself in a white country. Cya

[DreadMagus]

I feel like I'm watching a couple of hamsters racing along a wheel.....

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by dubesor

wow you are constantly contradicting yourself. she is korean. she is asian.

I take it you missed my last post. Also, we fought a war in Korea, there were GI's there, and they had sex with the local girls passing on caucasian features, so I see no contradiction there. I'm not bothering to read the rest of what you wrote, because if you will read my last post you will see that I apologized, and I have no interest in fighting about this anymore. I'm sorry that I've gotten you so worked up.

[dubesor]

Originally Posted by Eric Northman

I take it you missed my last post.[...]

I'm not bothering to read the rest of what you wrote

Just wow. Then stop posting all together please because I didn't miss anything, but how can you tell without reading anything. Anyways, I take your apology. It was stupid indeed. Now move on.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

I feel like I'm watching a couple of hamsters racing along a wheel.....

Hey, I already got off of the wheel. I'm just trying to make nice, now.

[Eric Northman]

Originally Posted by dubesor

Just wow. Then stop posting all together please because I didn't miss anything, but how can you tell without reading anything. Anyways, I take your apology. It was stupid indeed. Now move on.

Oh, I got the point you were making, I just disagreed with it, after that I stopped reading because I didn't want to feel compelled to start it up again. Either way it's over now.

[kongdong]

So whats the conclusion does she look asian or not??? I need more action: GO CONTINUE (FIGHT!!!) XDD