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DatDude · 01/03/2013, 12:06 am

I mean seriously....

1. He hated Ben..so what's up with the sudden change of heart?
2. He had 1 bullet..the goal was to end Ben's misery..
3. Yet he closes the gates and tells Lee to leave...
4. You see him put Ben out of his misery with the 1 bullet

But than what was freaking point of closing the gates and fighting the walkers? Why the hell was he sacrificing himself..it made no sense. Could he not just shoot Ben really quick and leave? What was the need to stay there and fight the walkers off while locking himself from an escape? What was the point...It was just ugh.

I'm not even disappointed that he died..it's the way he died...sacrificing himself in a seemingly just idiotic way. For what? For who?

I mean..if it was Duck..or Katja..than yeah, i could definitely see why he would have stayed and tried to fight the walkers off. But for Ben? The kid that killed his son and wife..and ruined pretty much everything...i just don't get it.

It seemed tell tale was just clueless in that regard and just wanted to kill him off as soon as possible.

JordyLicht · 01/03/2013, 12:09 am

I still don't think he's dead at all and will return somehow...
I could be naive, but no body, no proof in my opinion.

DatDude · 01/03/2013, 12:12 am

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Originally Posted by JordyLicht

I still don't think he's dead at all and will return somehow...
I could be naive, but no body, no proof in my opinion.

An the statistic page at the end said Kenny joined the horde.

Never said he died..so, that could indicate that as well.

Kaserkin · 01/03/2013, 12:19 am

Not this again... Kenny was broken. When he lost the boat, he blamed everything on Ben, and after Ben stood up for himself, he understood what the kid went through and forgave him. After Ben's fall, he lost all his hope again.

PS: BTW, you're right, Kenny ain't dead, he just picked up Ben and they are the 2 people Clem sees at the end.

JordyLicht · 01/03/2013, 12:48 am

Well, I dunno.
It didn't look like Ben could still walk.

Scaeva · 01/03/2013, 12:50 am

I don't think Telltale would have thrown in dialogue between Lee and Christa about whether Lee might have survived, unless they wanted to leave his fate ambiguous. I also think the decision to have Kenny's 'death' occur off screen, was done with Season 2 in mind.

I think Telltale was giving themselves an out in case they want to bring the character back in Season 2. Does that mean they will? Maybe. Maybe not.

Zeruis · 01/03/2013, 01:51 am

It's simple. When the boat was stolen by Vernon, Kenny lost all hope. Even though he made the whole "suicide is wrong" speech in episode 5, he died while closing the gates because he didn't want to leave Ben. He wanted to do it for him.

Rock114 · 01/03/2013, 04:41 am

Well, since he saved Christa in my game, I'm cool with how he went out.

SeriousScar · 01/03/2013, 05:48 am

I concur, Kenny's death for Ben didn't seem fully thought out. The death with Christa was much better, someone had to get her out and the two other guys had a bad leg and was bitten. Although people have suggested he could have held someone's legs and lowered them to help her out. (I can put it down to heat of the moment)

For me the Christa death was more heroic and less dumb than with Ben. With the former I thought he had finally changed his ways and deep down was a hero, with the latter I assumed he had finally cracked and just gone insane. Not bad scenarios but its clear which is preferred.

plaqueconspiracy · 01/03/2013, 06:21 am

Kenny went full retard in the Ben death scene.

Mornai · 01/03/2013, 06:35 am

I think he just gave up on life. If you say "Katjaa wouldn't want this, Kenny.", He replies with "Yes she would. I either save the boy or get to see her." I don't think this conflicts with his speech about suicide. He was talking about directly killing yourself, taking your own life. Also he was actively battling the walkers, so it wasn't suicide in the traditional sense. He lost his family, he lost the boat. He has no purpose anymore. The last thing he can do is spare the person he hurt the most from his biggest fear, and be reunited with his family.

JordyLicht · 01/03/2013, 06:37 am

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Originally Posted by Mornai

The last thing he can do is spare the person he hurt the most from his biggest fear, and be reunited with his family.

Kenny didn't strike me as a religious person though.

CarScar · 01/03/2013, 06:44 am

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Originally Posted by JordyLicht

Kenny didn't strike me as a religious person though.

"Look Lee, you know I care about Clementine, and I am a Christian man..."

JordyLicht · 01/03/2013, 06:48 am

Ah... well, I probably chose to ignore that line :P

Btw, do you have the script ready, or just a really good memory?

Phil_TWD · 01/03/2013, 06:50 am

I think he tried to save him since he was in danger, but then again, killing Ben was want he wanted before, so it's rather confusing.

Mornai · 01/03/2013, 07:07 am

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Originally Posted by Phil_TWD

I think he tried to save him since he was in danger, but then again, killing Ben was want he wanted before, so it's rather confusing.

I think he initially was going to try to save him, but then very quickly realized that there was no way out of there. Ben says his worst nightmare is getting eaten alive by the walkers, so i think he killed him to spare him that fate, rather than for vengeance. After Ben tells him about his family his opinion sort of changes.

Wrighty · 01/03/2013, 08:45 am

I like to think Kenny refused to leave another person behind and wanted to defend the kid as long as possile. His cold-heartedness and survivalist mindset just snapped and he couldnt give up on the kid, especially after seeing things from his point of view and feeling sorry for him.

Of course he may have just been suicidal (he has lost his family and boat) and saw it as a good way to go out. But i like the first explanation more

Abecedario · 01/03/2013, 09:15 am

Yea, his sacrifice with Christa is totally understandable, but the one with Ben? That makes no sense at all, especially if we remember his little talk some minutes earlier about not giving up and how important it is to give yourself a chance. Kind of ironic, huh?

Priamsc2 · 01/03/2013, 10:36 am

I think that Kenny wanted to commit a suicide in a honorable way.

His family died, his last hope was the boat, but Vernon stole it, so he had nothing left.

He saw that Ben was about to die in horrible suffering and wanted to give him a "soft" dead, and kill himself by the way, in the most honorable way.

If it wasn't a suicide I don't know why he stayed with Ben, he could have shot him and escaped then. And remember that 2 hours ago he wanted to kill ben. It's clearly a suicide in my humble opinion

Ygdrasel · 01/03/2013, 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by DatDude

I mean seriously....

1. He hated Ben..so what's up with the sudden change of heart?

Try playing the game.

It's pretty clearly a suicide from my view. Kenny had nothing left. All this time, I got a clear vibe of him just continuing on for its own sake, nothing really left behind it.

01/03/2013, 12:06 am	#1
DatDude Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 159	Okay so Kenny's death made no sense what so freakin ever I mean seriously.... 1. He hated Ben..so what's up with the sudden change of heart? 2. He had 1 bullet..the goal was to end Ben's misery.. 3. Yet he closes the gates and tells Lee to leave... 4. You see him put Ben out of his misery with the 1 bullet But than what was freaking point of closing the gates and fighting the walkers? Why the hell was he sacrificing himself..it made no sense. Could he not just shoot Ben really quick and leave? What was the need to stay there and fight the walkers off while locking himself from an escape? What was the point...It was just ugh. I'm not even disappointed that he died..it's the way he died...sacrificing himself in a seemingly just idiotic way. For what? For who? I mean..if it was Duck..or Katja..than yeah, i could definitely see why he would have stayed and tried to fight the walkers off. But for Ben? The kid that killed his son and wife..and ruined pretty much everything...i just don't get it. It seemed tell tale was just clueless in that regard and just wanted to kill him off as soon as possible. Last edited by DatDude; 01/03/2013 at 12:11 am.

01/03/2013, 08:45 am	#17
Wrighty Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 432	I like to think Kenny refused to leave another person behind and wanted to defend the kid as long as possile. His cold-heartedness and survivalist mindset just snapped and he couldnt give up on the kid, especially after seeing things from his point of view and feeling sorry for him. Of course he may have just been suicidal (he has lost his family and boat) and saw it as a good way to go out. But i like the first explanation more __________________ Team Kenny!

01/03/2013, 10:36 am	#19
Priamsc2 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 6	I think that Kenny wanted to commit a suicide in a honorable way. His family died, his last hope was the boat, but Vernon stole it, so he had nothing left. He saw that Ben was about to die in horrible suffering and wanted to give him a "soft" dead, and kill himself by the way, in the most honorable way. If it wasn't a suicide I don't know why he stayed with Ben, he could have shot him and escaped then. And remember that 2 hours ago he wanted to kill ben. It's clearly a suicide in my humble opinion Last edited by Priamsc2; 01/03/2013 at 10:39 am.

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01/03/2013, 12:09 am	#2
JordyLicht You said member... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 429	I still don't think he's dead at all and will return somehow... I could be naive, but no body, no proof in my opinion.

01/03/2013, 12:19 am	#4
Kaserkin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 284	Not this again... Kenny was broken. When he lost the boat, he blamed everything on Ben, and after Ben stood up for himself, he understood what the kid went through and forgave him. After Ben's fall, he lost all his hope again. PS: BTW, you're right, Kenny ain't dead, he just picked up Ben and they are the 2 people Clem sees at the end.

01/03/2013, 12:48 am	#5
JordyLicht You said member... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 429	Well, I dunno. It didn't look like Ben could still walk.

01/03/2013, 12:50 am	#6
Scaeva Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 102	I don't think Telltale would have thrown in dialogue between Lee and Christa about whether Lee might have survived, unless they wanted to leave his fate ambiguous. I also think the decision to have Kenny's 'death' occur off screen, was done with Season 2 in mind. I think Telltale was giving themselves an out in case they want to bring the character back in Season 2. Does that mean they will? Maybe. Maybe not.

01/03/2013, 01:51 am	#7
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,945	It's simple. When the boat was stolen by Vernon, Kenny lost all hope. Even though he made the whole "suicide is wrong" speech in episode 5, he died while closing the gates because he didn't want to leave Ben. He wanted to do it for him.

01/03/2013, 04:41 am	#8
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,711	Well, since he saved Christa in my game, I'm cool with how he went out.

01/03/2013, 05:48 am	#9
SeriousScar Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 40	I concur, Kenny's death for Ben didn't seem fully thought out. The death with Christa was much better, someone had to get her out and the two other guys had a bad leg and was bitten. Although people have suggested he could have held someone's legs and lowered them to help her out. (I can put it down to heat of the moment) For me the Christa death was more heroic and less dumb than with Ben. With the former I thought he had finally changed his ways and deep down was a hero, with the latter I assumed he had finally cracked and just gone insane. Not bad scenarios but its clear which is preferred.

01/03/2013, 06:21 am	#10
plaqueconspiracy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 277	Kenny went full retard in the Ben death scene.

01/03/2013, 06:35 am	#11
Mornai Always Have Hope Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ohio, U.S.A. Posts: 1,034	I think he just gave up on life. If you say "Katjaa wouldn't want this, Kenny.", He replies with "Yes she would. I either save the boy or get to see her." I don't think this conflicts with his speech about suicide. He was talking about directly killing yourself, taking your own life. Also he was actively battling the walkers, so it wasn't suicide in the traditional sense. He lost his family, he lost the boat. He has no purpose anymore. The last thing he can do is spare the person he hurt the most from his biggest fear, and be reunited with his family.

01/03/2013, 06:48 am	#14
JordyLicht You said member... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 429	Ah... well, I probably chose to ignore that line :P Btw, do you have the script ready, or just a really good memory?

01/03/2013, 06:50 am	#15
Phil_TWD Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 255	I think he tried to save him since he was in danger, but then again, killing Ben was want he wanted before, so it's rather confusing.

01/03/2013, 09:15 am	#18
Abecedario Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 21	Yea, his sacrifice with Christa is totally understandable, but the one with Ben? That makes no sense at all, especially if we remember his little talk some minutes earlier about not giving up and how important it is to give yourself a chance. Kind of ironic, huh?