If Ben admitted his guilt before Lilly snapped, what would you do to him?

[double_u]

This is inspired by Red Panda's thread on what to do with Lilly if she shot Ben instead.

My question, instead, is what would you want to do to Ben if he admitted his guilt before Lilly snapped and shot Carley or Doug?

I think this would've created some interesting and intense group interaction while affecting your group's disposition towards you. Kenny would most likely want Ben gone because of Duck. This could be great opportunity to further cement/repair or totally break your relationship with Kenny. Katjaa would be interesting, since she seems like such a kind person who won't act out of vengeance. Lilly would also want Ben gone too, and might even shoot Ben outright. Carley would probably allow Ben back on the RV. I am not sure about Doug since I don't his character well. Meanwhile Clem is watching...

While my heart tells me to give the kid another chance, I think for the sake of the group Ben would be left behind. We have at least two people that would strongly oppose keeping Ben, one is angry Lilly with a gun and the other is Kenny who has the RV. Keeping Ben would inevitably caused further group problems if not bloodshed. By abandoning him, I think it's a middleground on the need to punish him for endangering the group and keeping some humanity by giving him a fighting chance (but knowing Ben, we know it would be a slim one!). If the game went in this direction, hopefully it'll give you a chance to explain yourself to characters opposed to abandoning Ben.

[Scaeva]

Keep him and vote once tempers had cooled.

Ben would really need to bring his A game in stating his case, or I would have had Lee vote to leave him by the roadside.

[CarScar]

Lilly would obviously want Ben gone for, it's canon, that she was so unhinged that she'd go far as to kill him. Kenny would also want him gone because he's the reason Duck is the way he is. Carley would want him to stay because that's just the way she is and Katjaa would vote for him to stay due to her kind, motherly nature. Doug would also, obviously, want him to stay.

Exile: Lilly Caul, Kenny
Stay: Carley, Katjaa

I would vote for him to stay. I'd also have a lot more respect for the kid.

[DreadMagus]

Boom, Headshot!

Dammit, I misread - BEFORE Lilly snapped..... well.... I'd have kicked his ass out.

[Zeruis]

I'd wait for the group to have a say.

[Scaeva]

Originally Posted by CarScar

Lilly would obviously want Ben gone for, it's canon, that she was so unhinged that she'd go far as to kill him. Kenny would also want him gone because he's the reason Duck is the way he is. Carley would want him to stay because that's just the way she is and Katjaa would vote for him to stay due to her kind, motherly nature. Doug would also, obviously, want him to stay.

Exile: Lilly Caul, Kenny
Stay: Carley, Katjaa

I would vote for him to stay. I'd also have a lot more respect for the kid.

Just a small correction, but Lilly from the game is no longer Lilly Caul from the comics and books.

I suppose that means Lilly from the game's last name is an unknown.

I just read The Road to Woodbury recently, and Lilly Caul is a completely different character than game Lilly. She has a different appearance, personality, and backstory. Lilly Caul's father is also named Everett, rather than Larry.

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by Scaeva

Just a small correction, but Lilly from the game is no longer Lilly Caul from the comics and books.

I suppose that means Lilly from the game's last name is an unknown.

I just read The Road to Woodbury recently, and Lilly Caul is a completely different character than game Lilly. She has a different appearance, personality, and backstory. Lilly Caul's father is also named Everett, rather than Larry.

I know... I read that book as well and I hated it. I know it's silly but I've just gotten into the habit of pretending it never happened and game Lilly is the same as comic Lilly, just as it was originally planned. I prefer it much more.

[Hudomonkey]

Letting someone die will just make the team weaker

Ben meant well for his betrayal and mainly did it to put of the bandit attack

[Rock114]

Keep him and decide once everyone cools their jets. Take a vote and all that.

[Wynne]

I would give him a good talking to, that's for sure, but I'd keep him. Why? Because he's a teenager, and hormones make people more emotional. Man, I remember what it was like to be that age--it makes you a crazy person.

He was trying to save his friend and protect the group; after he figured it out, he kept going because he was terrified of the bandits. It was incredibly naive, but it's not like he tried to kill Lee or something. As long as someone means well, I will keep them around, and just help them make less stupid decisions.

But really, all he did was hand over some hard drugs nobody needed anyway. Oxycontin is dangerously addictive--all this "what if Clem needed it, somebody's cutting our throats!" stuff from Lilly doesn't fly.

People give Ben a hard time, but instead of losing the people we did lose, we could've lost EVERYONE to the bandits. He kept them from hitting the group on a day the walkers weren't there to shake things up.

As far as I'm concerned, his only mistake was not telling the group what he was doing so they'd be prepared. Then again, since paranoid, unstable Lilly friggin' KILLS someone over it, maybe that wasn't a mistake at all. Maybe it was just survival instincts kicking in.

In the end, I am inclined to blame Lilly's intense overreaction for Katjaa and Duck dying, because I think Ben would've confessed if he wasn't so afraid of her. The group might've had time to prepare a defense or leave if he'd felt compelled to confess, but with her around, that wasn't going to happen.

[ZacTB]

Keep him and decide later on when everyone calms down, but most likely keep him in the group but make sure everyone keeps an eye on him and he doesn't have any major responsibilities as it would take a while for trust to come back. But in a way he kind of helped the group by giving bandits survived, otherwise they probably wouldn't have been able to even leave the motor inn. I don't think it was his fault for Carley's or Doug's deaths, that was Lilly. Maybe it was his fault a bit for Duck's death but not Katjaa. He obviously screwed up with Brie later on in the game though. But yeah I kind of feel like people put too much blame on him. He didn't do anything with bad intentions.

[plaqueconspiracy]

Shoot him in the cheek and leave him by the road.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

I'd keep him with the group, but of course, due to that, I'd have to talk to him and get to know his reasons more and give him some advice. (Once temper cools down)

He's a good kid, just trying to help out. But of course, he SHOULD be corrected and shouldnt pass.

But of course some people would want him out. I'd tell Lilly: "Give him one more chance. If he screws up one more time, we leave him."

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by CarleyandLeeTWD

I'd keep him with the group, but of course, due to that, I'd have to talk to him and get to know his reasons more and give him some advice. (Once temper cools down)

He's a good kid, just trying to help out. But of course, he SHOULD be corrected and shouldnt pass.

But of course some people would want him out. I'd tell Lilly: "Give him one more chance. If he screws up one more time, we leave him."

Same plan as this for me, pretty much. Thought honestly, with how much of a wreck Lilly is, i have zero doubt she would have immediately murdered Ben after he admitted it. She attempts to kill him if you have Doug instead of Carley, and he didn't even admit it then.

His intentions are good, so he earns a place in my group.

[CarleyandLeeTWD]

If she would have killed ben. I'd slam her again to the RV and give her a lesson like Hershel Greene.

[double_u]

People make good points about not tossing Ben under the bus. My only worry is if Lilly or Kenny would agree to cooling off first before deciding because both would be an in emotionally distraught state. But I think I'll switch over to the cool off camp, and hopefully Clem's childlike innocence would save the day, like in episode 4.

Yeah, I can see that Ben's action at the inn is understandable. Maybe it could be argued it was a good thing because it did keep the bandits from attacking. It would just be nice if the group decided on it together--but I read in another thread that Lilly was too intimidating to talk to.

[Wrighty]

Keep him. He fucked up but thats no reason to leave him to die (which we all know he will). We make sure someone is always with the kid and hope Lilly and Kenny dont kill him. Kenny definitely wouldnt, as he didnt in ep 4 or 5 but Lilly might.

Still "Ben's nice. Hes my friend. We dont leave friends behind"

[Viner16]

Well all we lost was the motel, and if we just kept him and drove a bit further, we would've found the Train and Ben wouldn't have caused any deaths except causing Duck to get bitten.

[Lego]

What I didn't get is why the leader of the bandits didn't expose Ben and his deal when they all had them at gun point. You think he would of blew up his spot! I found that very strange that they acted like they didn't know him.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Lego

What I didn't get is why the leader of the bandits didn't expose Ben and his deal when they all had them at gun point. You think he would of blew up his spot! I found that very strange that they acted like they didn't know him.

Maybe they thought the entire group agreed to the deal, and Ben was just the supplier. Either way i don't think the bandits really care who gave them the supplies, as long as they got it, one way or another.