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watertommyz · 01/03/2013, 10:34 am

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Originally Posted by Kaserkin

You got to admit that Doug had hardly no screen time in ep 1, and also in 2 and 3, while Carley did. The problem isn't that people saved Carley because she's a girl, but because you don't get to know Doug before making the choice.

This. If Doug had been allowed to confront you in the same way Carly does, then the choice would have been even.

dubesor · 01/03/2013, 11:00 am

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Originally Posted by anonymau5

I'll just leave this here.

that's a very valid point. I agree, the difference in screentime is tremendous between the two. I mean with carley you have the 1 small puzzle (radio), the occasion in the room where she confronts you, the big mission to rescue glenn+the girl and a lot of side-converastions.

with doug you have... the tiny conversation at the outside-door and that's it.

Again, I have also listed screentime has a huge reason. Personally I picked Doug (see why above) but if he got the same content as Carley did I would assume the results would have been a lot different to what they are now.

It's almost like telltale wanted you to pick Carley.

LauriNicole · 01/06/2013, 06:59 am

Last time I checked, I was a straight female, so the argument "BOOBS" is invalid.

ColtPeacemaker00 · 01/06/2013, 09:29 am

My decision to help Carley was purely instinctual, yes I helped Carley because she was female. I did not choose her because of her looks, her contributios to the group, or because I liked her more than Doug, I reacted out of instinct, and would have done the same thing if it was Lilly or Kat. The instinct to protect a female is inherant in most males, combine that with all the teachings and tales by parents and society reflecting this view, I was surprised more males here didn't react the same way and for the same reason. And before someone jumps in with the whole " in a ZA situation hogwash" I'm talking instinct here. It's easy to come up with valid reasons why you chose one over the other when you have the time to reflect on the situation. But during my first run when Carley and Doug both needed my help, when I had no idea how much time I had to react, when I couldn't weigh the contributions or the advantages of the one over the other, my reaction was pure instinct and with not a moments hesitation I helped Carley.

Rommel49 · 01/06/2013, 09:57 am

I saved Carley mostly because she had the group's only gun at the time; everything else aside, she goes down, we lose that weapon. The fact she was actually competent with it and thus could help with things like defending the group or hunting? Bonus. That she gets more screentime and already helped multiple times? Another bonus. If she were a fat trucker named Earl with the same attributes besides gender, Doug still would've ended up as zombie chow.

By contrast, Doug helped by programming a remote, that's about it.

JordyLicht · 01/07/2013, 12:03 am

Ah .. boobies!

ZeroShoot · 01/08/2013, 01:17 pm

she had a gun and could handle it (quite good) - he couldn't, she's hot, he's not.
that was everything i had time to think for, i didn't "cheat" and press the XboX button to think about it, i did it as telltale wanted me to, with little time. It was no decision to me, but instinct in some way, I also thought she'd reload the gun then maybe save Doug.

The Fallen · 01/08/2013, 01:43 pm

If we're talking the very first time, I chose Carley pretty much purely because she had a gun. I had very little time, and didn't know either character well enough.

Even now having seen how they both play out. Id still chose Carley just because i liked her more personally. (not that i hated Doug). The sort of "sexy action girl" characters have just tended to irritate me in other games so that's not the reason i liked her at all. She was trustworthy, friendly and helpful.

Corcline27 · 01/09/2013, 05:59 am

Doug saved Carley's life before the motel. They both had crushes on one another and it's sad 1 of them has to die in the 1st episode. I would have liked to see there relationship play out.

BlackBoxx · 01/09/2013, 06:05 pm

Now I just feel odd. My first time in that situation, I chose to save Doug. Why? Well, because Carley had more screen time. I know that's a reason people give for saving her, but let me explain.

I know more about Carley. I know she's capable of using a gun. I know she's assertive. Now, when it came time to choose, I saw her facing a single walker with one hand around her ankle and she positioned herself just out of reach of her ammo (bad move). Doug was being pulled from behind by several walkers, had no weapon, and was pinned.

From what I knew about Carley, she should have been able to get herself out of that situation. Just yank your leg through the walker's thumb joint (easiest way to break a grapple), and get your ammo. Heck, if she just stood next to her purse, where she knew her ammo was in the first place, she wouldn't even need my help. Doug was in serious trouble, so I chose to help him. I felt bad afterwards because Carley was more likeable at that point. She did save/assist me on many occasions in the span of a couple hours (in-game time, not play time). Doug was nice and all, but all he did was turn on some TVs across the street.

Now... All my subsequent play throughs, I have always picked Carley. She actually makes the game easier. In episode 3, she kills two bandits after Lilly snipes the leader, as opposed to Doug's one kill. She then proceeds to clear one side of the RV when the walkers start advancing. Doug just tells you which side is in more danger (but you need to clear both by yourself). That scene took me several tries when I had Doug with me. Partly because I was still getting used to how the action scenes work, but still... Having half of it done for me is always better than "left bell! right bell!". Plus, Carley allows me to reveal my past, which in turn makes Lilly seem more of a fool when it comes time to decide her fate (don't like Lilly at all, so it's more satisfying to know I have her trump card beat in advance).

So... yeah. There are plenty of non-shallow reasons to save Carley.

Shrewsbury Survivor · 01/10/2013, 07:06 am

Doug did try to shield a window with his body however...

Scree · 01/10/2013, 12:41 pm

Carley cause she is a woman, simple is that.

aaron1290 · 01/10/2013, 01:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Shrewsbury Survivor

Doug did try to shield a window with his body however...

Lee : Stay away from the windows!!!

Doug: That window is screwed

*Later*

Doug: ARGHH GET THEM OFF OF ME!! LEE PLEASE!!! LEE!!!

* Doug is seen being grabbed by a zombie infested window *

FireflyCube · 01/10/2013, 01:41 pm

Out of curiosity, if you save Doug over Carley, does the "stranger" tell you off for it, like he does if you save Carley ("You save the girl with the gun")?

Jaded X Gamer · 01/10/2013, 01:57 pm

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Originally Posted by FireflyCube

Out of curiosity, if you save Doug over Carley, does the "stranger" tell you off for it, like he does if you save Carley ("You save the girl with the gun")?

He says you let a woman die in order to hide your secret. Typically he only mentions Doug or Carley if you haven't really done anything all that bad.

01/06/2013, 09:29 am	#24
ColtPeacemaker00 ..... Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Second star to the right and straight on till morning Posts: 101	My decision to help Carley was purely instinctual, yes I helped Carley because she was female. I did not choose her because of her looks, her contributios to the group, or because I liked her more than Doug, I reacted out of instinct, and would have done the same thing if it was Lilly or Kat. The instinct to protect a female is inherant in most males, combine that with all the teachings and tales by parents and society reflecting this view, I was surprised more males here didn't react the same way and for the same reason. And before someone jumps in with the whole " in a ZA situation hogwash" I'm talking instinct here. It's easy to come up with valid reasons why you chose one over the other when you have the time to reflect on the situation. But during my first run when Carley and Doug both needed my help, when I had no idea how much time I had to react, when I couldn't weigh the contributions or the advantages of the one over the other, my reaction was pure instinct and with not a moments hesitation I helped Carley. __________________ "All we need is one pin Rodney."

01/09/2013, 05:59 am	#29
Corcline27 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 171	Doug saved Carley's life before the motel. They both had crushes on one another and it's sad 1 of them has to die in the 1st episode. I would have liked to see there relationship play out. __________________ *Let's go..stay close to me..* "You found out that Omid is interested in southern history" "Duck thinks your incredibly awesome!"

01/10/2013, 12:41 pm	#32
Scree Zombie-Hunter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Racoon-City Posts: 12	Carley cause she is a woman, simple is that. __________________ Ever day is a school day!

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01/06/2013, 06:59 am	#23
LauriNicole Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 127	Last time I checked, I was a straight female, so the argument "BOOBS" is invalid.

01/06/2013, 09:57 am	#25
Rommel49 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 431	I saved Carley mostly because she had the group's only gun at the time; everything else aside, she goes down, we lose that weapon. The fact she was actually competent with it and thus could help with things like defending the group or hunting? Bonus. That she gets more screentime and already helped multiple times? Another bonus. If she were a fat trucker named Earl with the same attributes besides gender, Doug still would've ended up as zombie chow. By contrast, Doug helped by programming a remote, that's about it.

01/07/2013, 12:03 am	#26
JordyLicht You said member... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 429	Ah .. boobies!

01/08/2013, 01:17 pm	#27
ZeroShoot Lone Waster Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: right here! Posts: 499	she had a gun and could handle it (quite good) - he couldn't, she's hot, he's not. that was everything i had time to think for, i didn't "cheat" and press the XboX button to think about it, i did it as telltale wanted me to, with little time. It was no decision to me, but instinct in some way, I also thought she'd reload the gun then maybe save Doug.

01/08/2013, 01:43 pm	#28
The Fallen Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 207	If we're talking the very first time, I chose Carley pretty much purely because she had a gun. I had very little time, and didn't know either character well enough. Even now having seen how they both play out. Id still chose Carley just because i liked her more personally. (not that i hated Doug). The sort of "sexy action girl" characters have just tended to irritate me in other games so that's not the reason i liked her at all. She was trustworthy, friendly and helpful.

01/09/2013, 06:05 pm	#30
BlackBoxx Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 98	Now I just feel odd. My first time in that situation, I chose to save Doug. Why? Well, because Carley had more screen time. I know that's a reason people give for saving her, but let me explain. I know more about Carley. I know she's capable of using a gun. I know she's assertive. Now, when it came time to choose, I saw her facing a single walker with one hand around her ankle and she positioned herself just out of reach of her ammo (bad move). Doug was being pulled from behind by several walkers, had no weapon, and was pinned. From what I knew about Carley, she should have been able to get herself out of that situation. Just yank your leg through the walker's thumb joint (easiest way to break a grapple), and get your ammo. Heck, if she just stood next to her purse, where she knew her ammo was in the first place, she wouldn't even need my help. Doug was in serious trouble, so I chose to help him. I felt bad afterwards because Carley was more likeable at that point. She did save/assist me on many occasions in the span of a couple hours (in-game time, not play time). Doug was nice and all, but all he did was turn on some TVs across the street. Now... All my subsequent play throughs, I have always picked Carley. She actually makes the game easier. In episode 3, she kills two bandits after Lilly snipes the leader, as opposed to Doug's one kill. She then proceeds to clear one side of the RV when the walkers start advancing. Doug just tells you which side is in more danger (but you need to clear both by yourself). That scene took me several tries when I had Doug with me. Partly because I was still getting used to how the action scenes work, but still... Having half of it done for me is always better than "left bell! right bell!". Plus, Carley allows me to reveal my past, which in turn makes Lilly seem more of a fool when it comes time to decide her fate (don't like Lilly at all, so it's more satisfying to know I have her trump card beat in advance). So... yeah. There are plenty of non-shallow reasons to save Carley.

01/10/2013, 07:06 am	#31
Shrewsbury Survivor Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Shrewsbury England Posts: 288	Doug did try to shield a window with his body however...

01/10/2013, 01:41 pm	#34
FireflyCube Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 22	Out of curiosity, if you save Doug over Carley, does the "stranger" tell you off for it, like he does if you save Carley ("You save the girl with the gun")?