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dubesor · 01/12/2013, 01:57 pm

I always thought Lee just killed the senator and not his wife but several times the voice actor of Lee (Dave Fennoy) said that Lee also killed his wife.

The first time I read about this when Dave Fennoy said in an interview:

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Lee is a broken man, a former college professor on his way to prison for killing his wife and her lover.

And then yesterday another time he said the same in this video:

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[...]found his wife in bed with another man, killed them both and was on his way to jail for murder[...]

Now, either I am completely stupid now or Dave seriously never got told that Lee didn't actually kill his wife.

Why do I think Lee didn't kill his wife?

#1 Well first of all it would have kind of ruined the character of Lee imho. I mean a murder is one thing, but doing a big mistake and rage-killing a guy who sleeps with your wife I can at least somewhat sympathize with. I just don't feel that also killing his wife would fit Lee's character.

#2 in EP1 Lee says to Shawn he doesn't know where his ex-wife is.

#3 In EP1 we hear Carleys story, how she claims she was a news reporter involved in his case. In the entire game she mentions him killing the Senator several times but never mentions him killing his wife.

#4 Throughout the game Lee mentions killing the senator several times. Like in Ep1 towards Clementine (if you choose so), Ep2 on the way to the dairy, EP3 when you follow Carleys advice to several people. Never once is it mentioned that he killed his wife.

#5 In EP5 when talking to Campman you can say you have hurt your wife. Lee will tell the story about how he killed the Senator. He does not say he killed his wife at all but rather says "I was mad at her for so long and I can't imagine how much pain she felt"

Everything within the game made me 100% believe that Lee killed the Senator and no one else.

But Dave Fennoy repeatedly saying he killed his wife too makes me wonder... am I missing something or is he just being completely wrong? Does no one from TTG actually tell their actors the story?

Any enlightenment is appreciated.

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 02:16 pm

i think maybe they had recorded and planed that he had killed them both but they changed it

Nuked · 01/12/2013, 02:17 pm

I doubt it. He said he hurt his wife at the end, but it was implied to be emotional damage.

Robbingrobin · 01/12/2013, 02:17 pm

Yeah. He says she is with her family in... Athens? Yes, Athens it was in the first episode. He did not kill her.

Zeruis · 01/12/2013, 03:12 pm

Didn't Lee say she was in VA or something? I find it hard for me to believe that she's actually dead.

dubesor · 01/12/2013, 03:17 pm

Found a 3rd incidence where Dave Fennoy said he was told by TTG that Lee killed his wife:

http://t.co/hVy7K7YT (Podcast interview) @23:00

So basically we can conclude Lee didn't kill his wife, right? Since there are 5+ situations in the game that completely contradict this theory while there are zero that speak for it.

I just find it weird that the devs wouldn't let the main character know...

anonymau5 · 01/12/2013, 03:24 pm

I think the point is that it is supposed to be left up for the player to decide.

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 03:30 pm

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Originally Posted by anonymau5

I think the point is that it is supposed to be left up for the player to decide.

no, Lee never say he killed her, the only person who has said he killed her is Dave Fennoy, if anybody can find any evidence (in game) then it may be up to the player to decide, but i never heard a hint of a double murder

Nuked · 01/12/2013, 03:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Zeruis

Didn't Lee say she was in VA or something? I find it hard for me to believe that she's actually dead.

She could very easily be dead. Just not by Lee's hands.

Rock114 · 01/12/2013, 03:55 pm

I guess it's up to the player if Lee killed her or not. I actually thought he killed both of them at first, but steadily changed to thinking ti was only the senator over the course of the game. Whenever Lee mentions his wife to Hershel and others, he could just be lying to cover his trail.

Nuked · 01/12/2013, 03:55 pm

If he killed his wife, I think that would be a bigger deal than killing the person she was sleeping with.

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 04:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Rock114

I guess it's up to the player if Lee killed her or not. I actually thought he killed both of them at first, but steadily changed to thinking ti was only the senator over the course of the game. Whenever Lee mentions his wife to Hershel and others, he could just be lying to cover his trail.

i don't think we should assume lee is lying when we have no evidence to back it up, we could just assume that lee was a serial killer if we are gonna assume he is lying without any evidence to say he was

dubesor · 01/12/2013, 04:06 pm

Lee could be lying and thus the player could never know from what he is saying. Unlikely but possible.

But Carley would at least mention it since she knows the entire story and covered the court case.

Why would she say "You are Lee Everett who killed a Senator" and later in EP3 "You should tell them that you killed the Senator", and not even once mention his wife if he killed her? Makes no sense.

I believe Dave Fennoy is just hugely mistaken on this one. And someone from TTG needs to inform him before he does more and more interviews spreading false information lol. People will think it's true since he is the main role in the game after all and would seem like a reliable source on the story.

Rock114 · 01/12/2013, 04:37 pm

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Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i don't think we should assume lee is lying when we have no evidence to back it up, we could just assume that lee was a serial killer if we are gonna assume he is lying without any evidence to say he was

Well why would he come right out and tell people he was a murderer? He lies about the senator's murder for over three months, and even then he has to be convinced to tell people. "I killed my wife, thanks for letting me stay in your barn for the night" doesn't sound like something he'd say if he was a smart man (which he is).

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 04:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Rock114

Well why would he come right out and tell people he was a murderer? He lies about the senator's murder for over three months, and even then he has to be convinced to tell people. "I killed my wife, thanks for letting me stay in your barn for the night" doesn't sound like something he'd say if he was a smart man (which he is).

he wouldn't say he was a serial killer and a child molester either, so that must mean that is what he is

there was never a mention form Lee, Carley, Larry or Lilly that he killed his wife or even two people, so there is no reason to assume he killed anybody other than the senetor

dubesor · 01/12/2013, 04:52 pm

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Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

there was never a mention form Lee, Carley, Larry or Lilly that he killed his wife or even two people, so there is no reason to assume he killed anybody other than his wife

You mean anybody other than the senator, right?

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 04:59 pm

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Originally Posted by dubesor

You mean anybody other than the senator, right?

yup

Rommel49 · 01/12/2013, 05:10 pm

I'd peg it as being possible; Larry does say Lee killed "people" before it was something you had to do to survive in episode 1, not just one person. As to why the senator is the only person specifically focused on by people who covered it like Carley, it might have something to do with the fact he was a senator. Look at the shooting in Tucson (incidentally, so glad I moved out of there), it's primarily known for one victim - Gabrielle Giffords, despite the fact she was only one out of nearly twenty people shot.

thestalkinghead · 01/12/2013, 05:20 pm

but is was never ever mentioned that he killed his wife but it was mentioned that she was in athens, and it's totally flawed logic to assume just because something wasn't mentioned that means it happened, as i said that could mean that Lee had a sex change changed the colour of her skin and is in fact wonder woman because he never said he was he was borne a man so that must mean he wasn't

Rommel49 · 01/12/2013, 05:37 pm

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Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

but is was never ever mentioned that he killed his wife but it was mentioned that she was in athens, and it's totally flawed logic to assume just because something wasn't mentioned that means it happened, as i said that could mean that Lee had a sex change changed the colour of her skin and is in fact wonder woman because he never said he was he was borne a man so that must mean he wasn't

Except as I pointed out right at the start, Larry says Lee killed "people", plural.

You're also using the same flawed logic, Lee doesn't mention that his wife is actually alive in Athens, simply that she's there.

01/12/2013, 04:06 pm	#13
dubesor Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 718	Lee could be lying and thus the player could never know from what he is saying. Unlikely but possible. But Carley would at least mention it since she knows the entire story and covered the court case. Why would she say "You are Lee Everett who killed a Senator" and later in EP3 "You should tell them that you killed the Senator", and not even once mention his wife if he killed her? Makes no sense. I believe Dave Fennoy is just hugely mistaken on this one. And someone from TTG needs to inform him before he does more and more interviews spreading false information lol. People will think it's true since he is the main role in the game after all and would seem like a reliable source on the story. Last edited by dubesor; 01/12/2013 at 04:09 pm.

01/12/2013, 05:20 pm	#19
thestalkinghead stay safe Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,945	but is was never ever mentioned that he killed his wife but it was mentioned that she was in athens, and it's totally flawed logic to assume just because something wasn't mentioned that means it happened, as i said that could mean that Lee had a sex change changed the colour of her skin and is in fact wonder woman because he never said he was he was borne a man so that must mean he wasn't __________________ http://thestalkinghead.deviantart.com/

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01/12/2013, 02:16 pm	#2
thestalkinghead stay safe Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,945	i think maybe they had recorded and planed that he had killed them both but they changed it __________________ http://thestalkinghead.deviantart.com/

01/12/2013, 02:17 pm	#3
Nuked Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 244	I doubt it. He said he hurt his wife at the end, but it was implied to be emotional damage.

01/12/2013, 02:17 pm	#4
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	Yeah. He says she is with her family in... Athens? Yes, Athens it was in the first episode. He did not kill her. __________________ *I am surrounded by Idiots* The fucking game has nothing to do with the fucking TV-Series. When do people get that finally, huh?

01/12/2013, 03:12 pm	#5
Zeruis Mundy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,980	Didn't Lee say she was in VA or something? I find it hard for me to believe that she's actually dead.

01/12/2013, 03:17 pm	#6
dubesor Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 718	Found a 3rd incidence where Dave Fennoy said he was told by TTG that Lee killed his wife: http://t.co/hVy7K7YT (Podcast interview) @23:00 So basically we can conclude Lee didn't kill his wife, right? Since there are 5+ situations in the game that completely contradict this theory while there are zero that speak for it. I just find it weird that the devs wouldn't let the main character know...

01/12/2013, 03:24 pm	#7
anonymau5 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 295	I think the point is that it is supposed to be left up for the player to decide.

01/12/2013, 03:55 pm	#10
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,780	I guess it's up to the player if Lee killed her or not. I actually thought he killed both of them at first, but steadily changed to thinking ti was only the senator over the course of the game. Whenever Lee mentions his wife to Hershel and others, he could just be lying to cover his trail.

01/12/2013, 05:10 pm	#18
Rommel49 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 431	I'd peg it as being possible; Larry does say Lee killed "people" before it was something you had to do to survive in episode 1, not just one person. As to why the senator is the only person specifically focused on by people who covered it like Carley, it might have something to do with the fact he was a senator. Look at the shooting in Tucson (incidentally, so glad I moved out of there), it's primarily known for one victim - Gabrielle Giffords, despite the fact she was only one out of nearly twenty people shot.