You're f**king kidding me!

[tigerwolflover]

ok heres the ? did lee really so weak tht he could pick up a gun and shhot himself!?! i mean why tramatize the little girl who is pratically your daughter by making her shoot you. why couldnt he have her leave with the gun the room kill him self with the knife? then she would remember him ALIVE not dead?

p.s. i olny saw one ending so....yeah dont yell at me for saying tht he dosent have her leave the garage

[Maximus123458]

Axe?

What axe?

[tigerwolflover]

srry knife

[Maximus123458]

Oh.

Well, we already witnessed one fact that Lee can barely move his muscles, if Lee would try to kill himself, he would just poke himself with the knife instead of actually killing himself. And he would exclaim it's pointy.

But well, as for how traumatizing things go, Clementine's tough, and we know. She witnessed many shit that could easily traumatize her, but it didn't. And she seems like she's stable enough to continue venturing.

[tigerwolflover]

true dat

[DrRadon]

Try destoing your brain with a knive when you are healthy. Now translate that into a state of so sick your dieing any minute.

[DreadMagus]

Why? So that she could learn to do that. Because that's a needed ability to have in a zombie apocalypse.

IF she grows close to someone else, and they turn, and she cannot kill them - then she dies.

Your sentimentality it nice, but misplaced in the reality of the world the walking dead has become.

[george1120]

there's only one ending lol

[K0t0]

Lee: ..............I'll miss you
Clem: ...How?
Lee: oh gtfo clem

[lilTomTom]

Originally Posted by Maximus123458

And he would exclaim it's pointy.

lmao

[Master of Aeons]

Yes, what Dread said.

[Shadowhunter]

He can't stand up, he can barely move his limbs.. i think he might be a bit weak to do that.

Plus what Dread said.

[Tazzle27]

Originally Posted by k0t0

lee: ..............i'll miss you
clem: ...how?
Lee: Oh gtfo clem

lmao

[dubesor]

Originally Posted by tigerwolflover

i mean why tramatize the little girl who is pratically your daughter by making her shoot you. why couldnt he have her leave with the gun the room kill him self with the knife? then she would remember him ALIVE not dead?

p.s. i olny saw one ending so....yeah dont yell at me for saying tht he dosent have her leave the garage

I think kirkman has put it pretty good, https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...1suM0DY#t=514s

I like the idea of forcing Clem to shoot him so it will prepare her for what she is gonna have to do from
here on out. I think it sounds harsh on the surface, but if you think about it it would be much worse to
not prepare her for what's coming to preserve her innosence in a world where that is something that can get her killed.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Why? So that she could learn to do that. Because that's a needed ability to have in a zombie apocalypse.

IF she grows close to someone else, and they turn, and she cannot kill them - then she dies.

Your sentimentality it nice, but misplaced in the reality of the world the walking dead has become.

That rationale doesn't really make sense though. Simply because Lee wasn't in a position to actually make Clem do anything at the time. She was either willing to shoot Lee or she wasn't; if the former, it's unnecessary, if the latter, it's irrelevant to try and teach her at that point.

It also doesn't make much practical sense. In any survival scenario, the goal is to mitigate risk and maximize resources. The bullet she uses on Lee is one she doesn't have to deal with an actual threat or to potentially get food. There's also the matter of the herd outside. Live to fight another day and all - every round she expends on non-threats is a chance she won't get that oppurtunity.

[cnaf]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That rationale doesn't really make sense though. Simply because Lee wasn't in a position to actually make Clem do anything at the time. She was either willing to shoot Lee or she wasn't; if the former, it's unnecessary, if the latter, it's irrelevant to try and teach her at that point.

It also doesn't make much practical sense. In any survival scenario, the goal is to mitigate risk and maximize resources. The bullet she uses on Lee is one she doesn't have to deal with an actual threat or to potentially get food. There's also the matter of the herd outside. Live to fight another day and all - every round she expends on non-threats is a chance she won't get that oppurtunity.

Not to mention you just broke rule #2...no loud sounds to attract zombies unless absolutely necessary.

[The Fallen]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That rationale doesn't really make sense though. Simply because Lee wasn't in a position to actually make Clem do anything at the time. She was either willing to shoot Lee or she wasn't; if the former, it's unnecessary, if the latter, it's irrelevant to try and teach her at that point.

It also doesn't make much practical sense. In any survival scenario, the goal is to mitigate risk and maximize resources. The bullet she uses on Lee is one she doesn't have to deal with an actual threat or to potentially get food. There's also the matter of the herd outside. Live to fight another day and all - every round she expends on non-threats is a chance she won't get that oppurtunity.

We're sentimental creatures. Would have been pragmatic for Kenny to leave Duck as well, but it was never happening. Nobody wants to think of their loved ones as Walkers. A mercy kill is a pretty common reaction.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That rationale doesn't really make sense though. Simply because Lee wasn't in a position to actually make Clem do anything at the time. She was either willing to shoot Lee or she wasn't; if the former, it's unnecessary, if the latter, it's irrelevant to try and teach her at that point.

It also doesn't make much practical sense. In any survival scenario, the goal is to mitigate risk and maximize resources. The bullet she uses on Lee is one she doesn't have to deal with an actual threat or to potentially get food. There's also the matter of the herd outside. Live to fight another day and all - every round she expends on non-threats is a chance she won't get that oppurtunity.

I'm sorry, I've read this five times - and I still don't see how what your saying applies to this situation. You're trying to apply reason and rationality to an emotional situation. It doesn't stand up.

Fact 1) Attachment will get you killed in a ZA - where anyone you love can and will try to kill you if they "die"

Fact 2) Lee's "job" is to train Clem to survive, knowing how to deal with Fact 1 is essential.

Also - you're overlooking the power of persuasion. Clem didn't want to, obviously, but Lee her mentor and surrogate father made her do it. The same way you make any kid who has an emotional bond do anything they don't want to. Persuasion.

For someone who claims military experience (iirc) you should know the value of morale. What exactly would it have done emotionally, to Clem, had she left Lee (her parent figure at that point) as a walker?

Don't overlook the fact she's still a nine year old little girl - 3 months into a ZA or not.

[Dildor]

I don't think he had a knife on him anymore. Clem needed to take the gun, and watching Lee commit suicide and then making her pry the gun from his hands is even worse in my opinion. Dread has the right idea, and it's the last lesson some of us decided to teach Clem.
You take care of your own, and don't let your loved ones turn.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

I'm sorry, I've read this five times - and I still don't see how what your saying applies to this situation. You're trying to apply reason and rationality to an emotional situation. It doesn't stand up.

Fact 1) Attachment will get you killed in a ZA - where anyone you love can and will try to kill you if they "die"

Fact 2) Lee's "job" is to train Clem to survive, knowing how to deal with Fact 1 is essential.

Also - you're overlooking the power of persuasion. Clem didn't want to, obviously, but Lee her mentor and surrogate father made her do it. The same way you make any kid who has an emotional bond do anything they don't want to. Persuasion.

For someone who claims military experience (iirc) you should know the value of morale. What exactly would it have done emotionally, to Clem, had she left Lee (her parent figure at that point) as a walker?

Don't overlook the fact she's still a nine year old little girl - 3 months into a ZA or not.

Fact 1) Clem already fully understands that walkers are dead people, she was able to simply leave her parents in the streets when she brings Lee inside. What does she say on the subject? "They're dead for sure".

Fact 2) This is partially covered by fact 1. Additionally, thousands of walkers outside + gunshot = bad idea.

Avoiding a threat entirely is just as good, if not better than dealing with it outright in her case. There's a reason state militaries have been teaching evasion and infiltration of some type for thousands of years.

Morale's also a pretty weak excuse, her morale's going to be at the bottom of the barrel no matter what she does. The kid understands that damn near everybody she cares about is dead.