You're f**king kidding me!

[DreadMagus]

Gunshot wouldn't have mattered one bit. She already knew how to disguise her scent.... so your point #2 is not relevant.

As for point #1 - You're missing the point that I originally presented. She needed to know how to deal with a loved one who turned then and there. Let me reiterate that: then and there.

And Morale is NOT a flimsy excuse - do you really want Clem to become a "mini-Kenny" who was eaten away with guilt over what he "couldn't" do or "should have" done? I thought the goal was to make it so Clem could survive anything - not just assume she could do it.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Gunshot wouldn't have mattered one bit. She already knew how to disguise her scent.... so your point #2 is not relevant.

As for point #1 - You're missing the point that I originally presented. She needed to know how to deal with a loved one who turned then and there. Let me reiterate that: then and there.

And Morale is NOT a flimsy excuse - do you really want Clem to become a "mini-Kenny" who was eaten away with guilt over what he "couldn't" do or "should have" done? I thought the goal was to make it so Clem could survive anything - not just assume she could do it.

Disguising one's scent isn't always an option and doesn't last all that long, as evidenced by the fact the Walker in the store attacked her in the first place. Hell, Clementine didn't even have a knife at the time. Regardless, as I covered, avoiding a dangerous situation in the first place is better than hoping you have a method for dealing with it after the fact.

And morale is a flimsy excuse in this case, that reasoning doesn't improve it; anybody in a life or death situation that goes badly is going to beat themselves up over what they could have or should have done after the fact. And I highly doubt she's going to think of shooting Lee as her one bright shiny moment out of the whole mess, her morale's going to be in the crapper regardless of choice.

[DreadMagus]

I guess you forgot the rain that was falling outside.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

[CarScar]

I actually think Lee was to weak to shoot himself. Only reason he was able to pick up the bat was because his pseudo-daughter was better attacked. It is also to ensure that she's ready. There's no point in trying to preserve her innocence in their world, it'll only lead to her death.

[ClemmyIsBad]

I also think more people decided to have Clem kill him because then she would know that Lee is stuck in there suffering and then sitting there trapped as a walker for probably forever.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

I guess you forgot the rain that was falling outside.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

That doesn't make sense either; if it's raining outside, she wouldn't be able to disguise her scent at all... which makes attracting the herd's attention all the more dangerous. Stop disagreeing with yourself.

Originally Posted by ClemmyIsBad

I also think more people decided to have Clem kill him because then she would know that Lee is stuck in there suffering and then sitting there trapped as a walker for probably forever.

She understands walkers aren't actually alive though; it's the first observation she makes when she sees her parents "they're dead for sure".

[SeriousScar]

I think having Clem kill Lee is just something Lee wants if he is being selfish. If he turns into a walker it doesn't matter, not if you handcuffed him to the radiator. It's unlikely he will ever pose a threat to anyone. Clem needs the bullet incase of an actual threat. Being a walker is like donating your vital organs. You may not like the idea but it really doesn't effect you either way...cause your dead!

His choice to make her kill him was always confusing to me, which is why my Lee told her to leave him.

[Mornai]

I had her shoot Lee, but not because of her "growing up" or being able to do the hard thing. Being a walker is worse than just dying, your persona in this world continues to take lives every day. I would not allow myself to turn knowing that my body would be devouring friends and families time and time again until someone puts me down.

Maybe it's a bit selfish, but it's a fate no one deserves.


"You don't want to see me as one of them..."

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

That doesn't make sense either; if it's raining outside, she wouldn't be able to disguise her scent at all... which makes attracting the herd's attention all the more dangerous. Stop disagreeing with yourself.

Ok, now you're starting to annoy me.

I'll go slow.

You said that masking one's scent doesn't last long (as seen in E-5)

I was pointing out that in that instance it was because it was starting to rain.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by SeriousScar

If he turns into a walker it doesn't matter, not if you handcuffed him to the radiator

If you handcuff the walker/security guard, his hands fall off. Flesh rotting and all. It is possible zombie-Lee will escape the handcuffs with time.

[J_Scheff]

I didnt want to make her do that, so I told her to leave me. I would rather be a zombie than make her do that.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Ok, now you're starting to annoy me.

I'll go slow.

You said that masking one's scent doesn't last long (as seen in E-5)

I was pointing out that in that instance it was because it was starting to rain.

Don't blame me for the fact that you were the one that shot down your own idea here.

Your original point was that the herd outside wouldn't be an issue because she knew how to disguise her scent (leaving aside the lack of tools to open up a zombie, but I digress). It doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't have been effective since either a.) it either doesn't last all that long, or b.) it's raining outside, which means it wouldn't work at all.

It doesn't matter which of the two reasons is correct. What does matter is that she couldn't effectively disguise her scent in that scenario; that was the whole point.

[DreadMagus]

Are you really this obtuse?

The herd isn't going anywhere - period. Unless something draws it away, it's there - end of story.

The rain won't last forever. Obviously.

At the end we see Clem outside the city, still covered in walker guts.

Can you honestly not connect the dots here?

Come on, put those hamsters to work......

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Are you really this obtuse?

The herd isn't going anywhere - period. Unless something draws it away, it's there - end of story.

The rain won't last forever. Obviously.

At the end we see Clem outside the city, still covered in walker guts.

Can you honestly not connect the dots here?

Come on, put those hamsters to work......

Are you? Like I said, don't blame me for the fact you disprove your own argument here.

Also, I'm not even sure it's raining outside; it looked like it might certainly, but we don't actually see any rain. Neither Clem or Lee look all that wet in the store, plus, if the rain were a factor, Clem wouldn't have had time to get Lee into the store in the first place (particularly since he passed out in the middle of the herd).

That she's still covered in walker guts after the credits doesn't mean much, she was still covered in walker guts in the store, too (where it didn't work). Additionally, the pattern of the smear is identical to the one Lee originally made. And to reiterate, she had no tools for opening up a walker in the first place, a point which has never been answered. There's also the fact her hands aren't covered in blood and gore...

Regardless, you're not helping your case here.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

you disprove your own argument here.

I didn't, nor do I understand why you keep harping on this illusionary fact.

So on that note, I think we're done here.

[Platinumb]

You guys, maybe the walker heard Clem and Lee talking and since she was walking around normally/breaking things/not acting walkerish, it could just *tell* she was alive from these factors, and it wasn't that the smell of death and guts had worn off of her

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

You guys, maybe the walker heard Clem and Lee talking and since she was walking around normally/breaking things/not acting walkerish, it could just *tell* she was alive from these factors, and it wasn't that the smell of death and guts had worn off of her

Agreed. The walker starts raging immediately after Clem breaks the window and never stops afterward, so i think from that point on he realized he'd been had.

[DreadMagus]

Well keep in mind, it likely took a long time for a 9 year old little girl to drag 160-180 pounds of dead weight into a store.... by then the scent-mask obviously wore off... which stands to reason that it tends to last quite some time.

I mean, how did she drag him anyway... sheesh.

We'll call her mini-Hulk.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Well keep in mind, it likely took a long time for a 9 year old little girl to drag 160-180 pounds of dead weight into a store.... by then the scent-mask obviously wore off... which stands to reason that it tends to last quite some time.

I mean, how did she drag him anyway... sheesh.

We'll call her mini-Hulk.

oh, that's another thing Telltale did that made absolutely no sense.

though this does go to show that regular movement instead of zombie hulking isn't enough to get their attention, maybe it was the window breaking/noise that attracted the zombie security guard to them.

[Neilny91]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

Fact 1) Clem already fully understands that walkers are dead people, she was able to simply leave her parents in the streets when she brings Lee inside. What does she say on the subject? "They're dead for sure".

Fact 2) This is partially covered by fact 1. Additionally, thousands of walkers outside + gunshot = bad idea.

Avoiding a threat entirely is just as good, if not better than dealing with it outright in her case. There's a reason state militaries have been teaching evasion and infiltration of some type for thousands of years.

Morale's also a pretty weak excuse, her morale's going to be at the bottom of the barrel no matter what she does. The kid understands that damn near everybody she cares about is dead.

I don't think avoiding a threat is at all good for Clementine...We've seen how she clams up when people she cares about are in danger...Gradually she gets better, shooting the walker when she's home alone with Omid and stabbing the stranger, but she needs to be able to kill loved ones. You saw her face when she found her parents, she was paralyzed until Lee fainted...By having Clementine shoot him, he's removing that mental barrier, which is cruel but will improve her chances of survival...There are no children in walking dead, you either survive or you don't.