Telltale Games Should Give Up KQ License

[MusicallyInspired]

Fair points all around. But when it all comes down, there can be talk and talk on both sides with very convincing arguments, but my gut tells me it will not realistically happen. Based on what I see and my experience with Telltale. I wish they would prove me wrong. But like I said, they've gotten worse since I first became a fan, not better. I also do not necessarily classify some of the games you say are adventures as such. Also, Telltale did not design Hector.

I'm just not interested in what they have to offer anymore. I was a fan based solely on the fact that their games somewhat resembled adventures and were made of IPs that I once enjoyed. But in retrospect, none of them were as good as their forefathers. Not to mention I dislike the episodic format. Telltale is just not my scene anymore. I don't care if they do make a King's Quest. I won't play it.

Well, I might. If only out of sheer morbid curiosity. Or watch a playthrough or something. But I will never lay money down for another Telltale game again unless they actually do something that interests me and agrees with my personal tastes in game design.

[Diduz]

Originally Posted by Jennifer

As for Dan Connors statement, the statement ended with a laugh.

The reason I'm not laughing with him is that King's Quest could have been their next project after Fables. Now we know that the next project after Fables will be The Walking Dead Season Two. At least we can safely say it's not a priority (and it's never been: why did they make Fables before King's Quest? They announced them at the same time, after all). Dave recorded a Christmas update for Adventure Gamers (!!!) and totally skipped any info related to King's Quest. If Connors goes on talking about Star Wars, Halo and Half Life, I guess KQ won't be the priority in the near future either.
I'm sorry to say that we really need an official statement now, after a whole year of silence. Denial won't help.

[RAnthonyMahan]

Originally Posted by Diduz

The reason I'm not laughing with him is that King's Quest could have been their next project after Fables. Now we know that the next project after Fables will be The Walking Dead Season Two. At least we can safely say it's not a priority (and it's never been: why did they make Fables before King's Quest? They announced them at the same time, after all). Dave recorded a Christmas update for Adventure Gamers (!!!) and totally skipped any info related to King's Quest. If Connors goes on talking about Star Wars, Halo and Half Life, I guess KQ won't be the priority in the near future either.
I'm sorry to say that we really need an official statement now, after a whole year of silence. Denial won't help.

We don't know for sure if The Walking Dead Season 2 is coming before King's Quest.

[Lambonius]

Originally Posted by RAnthonyMahan

We don't know for sure if The Walking Dead Season 2 is coming before King's Quest.

King's Quest isn't coming at all.

[RAnthonyMahan]

Originally Posted by Lambonius

King's Quest isn't coming at all.

And the Telltale forums are reunited with an old friend it hasn't seen in a very long time...

[MusicallyInspired]

Maybe you're jumping to conclusions there.

[Diduz]

Originally Posted by RAnthonyMahan

We don't know for sure if The Walking Dead Season 2 is coming before King's Quest.

Well, Dave talked about two projects in the Adventure Gamers Christmas Greetings: Fables and The Walking Dead Season Two.
http://www.adventuregamers.com/articles/view/23582
I don't think he's been "dismissive" of King's Quest, as MntPeak said, because I remember he talked about the franchise here:
http://www.adventuregamers.com/articles/view/18536
(I really liked this interview )
I'm not saying I'm sure they'll cancel the game (heck, the forum is still here, after all! ), but stating KQ is low in their priority list isn't "jumping to conclusions". It's a fact.

[corruptbiggins]

I seem to remember some people saying that the Law & Order game was dead because there had been no news and official site was taken down. That still came out. Just saying...

[Diduz]

Originally Posted by corruptbiggins

I seem to remember some people saying that the Law & Order game was dead because there had been no news and official site was taken down. That still came out. Just saying...

I think in that case Telltale had to rectify the whole project: the game was originally based on Law & Order : Los Angeles, but the show was canceled while they were working on it.
Good example, though.

[BagginsKQ]

Interesting thing about early Law & Order games, Telltale made a few of them. They had license to make the game. But the license didn't allow them to sell the games on the Telltale website. Which is why you can't find them for sale anymore, except on physical media.

Might be interesting if telltale had a similar contract with Activision. To make the game, but Activision distributes it. Similarly it might be up to Activision to make any major announcements and advertising. Similar to what happened with those early Telltale Law and Order games.

[Diduz]

Originally Posted by BagginsKQ

Interesting thing about early Law & Order games, Telltale made a few of them. They had license to make the game. But the license didn't allow them to sell the games on the Telltale website. Which is why you can't find them for sale anymore, except on physical media.

You mean CSI for Ubisoft? Telltale actually sells L&O on the website.

[BagginsKQ]

http://web.archive.org/web/200612240...talegames.com/

No I mean; Law & Order: Criminal Intent. This was back in 2006ish or so. Not the same thing as the new L&O: Legacies. Unless it turned into that?

They also did a CSI game too didn't they?

[Diduz]

Originally Posted by BagginsKQ

No I mean; Law & Order: Criminal Intent. This was back in 2006ish or so. Not the same thing as the new L&O: Legacies. Unless it turned into that?

Law & Order Criminal Intent was developed and published episodically by Legacy Interactive. If I remember well, Telltale put the game on their virtual store for a short period, but it's not made by them.

[BagginsKQ]

That might be it.

I remember there being some kind of FAQ in which they discussed CSI or Law & Order and how they didn't have the rights to distribute those games online, and that NBC or some such had the rights. Maybe they were just explaining why they no longer offered them.

Probably was CSI;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_3...ions_of_Murder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Hard_Evidence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Fatal_Conspiracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Deadly_Intent

Seems like its Telltale's lost game series, they almost never show up on any list of Telltale Games.

[Blackthorne519]

MASK OF ETERNITY IS NOT A KING'S QUEST GAME.


Bt

[BagginsKQ]

Technically true;

The game known simply as "Mask of Eternity" is not a King's Quest game. It's some game/mod set in time of the Mayans, made for a educational game design project.

Kin is a clever Mayan warrior father chosen by the astronomer / priest to save the mothers and daughters of Tikal. Prophesied by the astronomer / priest is an Apocalyptic Flood that is believed to be accompanied by an army of beasts that feed on the spirit of women young and old. Kin must acquire the "Eternal Jade Mask" from the Moon Goddess in the Upperworld in order to save his wife and baby daughter.

You are the chosen Mayan warrior KIN Chak Balam. Kin was chosen by the astronomer/priest to retrieve the Eternal Jade Mask not only because of his courageous nature but also because he is very clever and has always acted wise beyond his age. Kin is a young father of two; a five year old son and a baby daughter. Kin is very spiritual for he knows how to read the stars in the night sky, he represents the mighty Tikal warriors of the "classic" Mayan civilization. Kin is fearless, strong physically, mentally and spiritually.

The "Eternal Jade Mask" which resides in the Upperworld is needed to slay this invader and save the women of Tikal. The problem is that in order to get to the Upperwold one must first pass through the Under world, then the Middleworld where one climbs the" World tree" which holds up the heavens to finally reach the Upper world where the mask resides.

At the end of every world Kin will fight and defeat an animal God which grants him a power/magic that he'll need in the next world. A bat God rules the Underworld and holds a map of the Middle world which shows how to sprout forth the World Tree. Once Kin sprouts the tree and climbs to the top he must fight and defeat a bird God that holds the power of flight which is needed in the Upperworld. Once in the Upperworld Kin must fly from island to island amongst the clouds looking for the temple in which the mask resides. You will have different opportunities to meet animal friends and acquire Masks with "animal powers". One must fight many super natural enemies such as undead animals, spirits and skeletons to acquire strength and magic points. These points enable you to live longer and to use better magical powers for longer periods of time.

This game will be part first person shooter and part third person action adventure. For the most part this game is a frist person shooter but whenever you want to use your special jaguar attacks it will switch to a third person point of view.. This will provide a more impact full and refined feel to the game. Think of "Prince of Persia" / "God of War"s gameplay for its incredible fighting moves and think of Hellboy / Indiana Jones for the look and directorial style but with a Mayan theme.

The first level is the Underworld and it consists of intricate underground caves with various temples and glowing rivers thought. You will encounter many supernatural enemies such as Lost Souls, Zombie Animals, and Animal Gods. At the end of the Underworld one must defeat Zotz the bat God who is the guardian of the Underworld. He holds a map of the Middleworld that shows where to find the "Three Stones of Creation".

The second level one must collect the "Three Stones of Creation" by following the hieroglyphic map. You need to do this so that you can plant the stones in a specific location to sprout forth the "World Tree". One must climb the "World Tree" in order to finally reach the Upperworld. Once you reach the top of the tree Kin must defeat a bird God to acquire the power of flight which is needed for the Upperworld.

Kin is fearless and ready to undergo the ordeals of the Mayan afterlife to poses the Eternal Jade Mask…Are you?

http://www.artinstitutes.edu/losange.../moe/about.htm





The novel The Mask Of Eternity is also not a KQ game;

http://www.amazon.com/Eternity-Solis...sk+of+Eternity



Also, the musical album, Mask of Eternity is not a King's Quest game;

http://www.amazon.com/Mask-Eternity-...sk+of+eternity



Neither is the song, "Mask of Eternity" from that album;

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...8347521&sr=8-7

King's Quest (VIII): Mask of Eternity on the other hand is a king's quest game.

[Blackthorne519]

Hahah, for a wall of text - man, that was pretty funny.


Bt

[BagginsKQ]

Technically more like a wall of 'images'.

Also to be fair, the term 'wall of text', refers to a post that is just plain text, has no punctuation or formatting; including no spacing between paragraphs.

Infact it is written as one giant paragraph.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ll%20of%20text



In other words its just hard on the eyes! What's worse than a wall of text? Wall of text that's ALL CAPS!

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by RAnthonyMahan

As for whether Telltale's qualified to make a King's Quest game...that's a debate I think it's best I don't get into. But look at it this way. If the game turns out to be good, then awesome! A long-forgotten series gets to return to its former glory, and bring tons of new fans with it. If the game ends up being shit, the old games will still be there. Maybe even a few newcomers will play the old games to get a better idea of what kind of series the new game ruined (hey, it's been working out for Devil May Cry ). Basically, unless Telltale makes a REALLY fucked-up decision, like, say, make the game star Cedric, King's Quest is guaranteed to be treated better with this new game than it's been treated for the past 15 years.

I think I actually agree with this. Many KQ fans decry MoE. Fewer fans, but still lots of them, hate on KQ7. I'm not sure what TTG could do to ruin KQ more than what Sierra and Activision have done.

[BagginsKQ]

Actually very little information to tell if KQ7 or KQ8 was hated more.

But Roberta mentioned that Sierra received many complaints that it was slow jerky animation. Also those who didn't like the art style. She also mentioned there many that complained thought she should have ended the series with six because adventure game genre was showing its age and had become outdated. As far as professional critics it was nearly universally panned.

Perhaps only the KQ1 remake received more criticism from fans. To the point that Sierra stopped future remake development in the KQ line. Roberta had confirmed on multiple occasions it was the least successful game of the series.

We'll never really have a clear idea how KQ8 was viewed except that it was was praised or treated as great by most of the professional critics. Roberta mentioned it QA more successful than KQ7. It was more successful than Grim Fandango. It received at least one adventure game award and was nominated for others. Although keep in mind besides Grim Fandango there wasn't alot of competition that year.

Since Roberta not Sierra went onto to make another KQ game we have no comparisons to its success or lack there of from Roberta or Sierra's perspective in comparison to the next game in development.

But ya more than likely those three are the least well received on release.