The missing 3 months.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Corcline27

He mentioned katja for the good of the group. He wasn't weaker than Ben. If that was the case he wouldn't have been chosen to go hunting/ inspect the farm. He was obviously trusted by everyone. And having the guts to call out Larry about giving lee shit takes some balls. No way in hell Ben would so that. Case closed Mark>Ben.

He was practically inviting the group to stay without knowing about the farm in depth.

He was very weak; you could see him dropping things, hear his complaints, etc. The person below you has a point that Lilly likely gave him less food than the others, but even if Lee feeds him and not himself, he complains he's hungry, which I think shows deep inconsiderateness. (He's not trusted by Lilly, but that doesn't say much I guess.)

Lee is angry about Mark calling out Larry, because it causes tension where tension doesn't have to be caused. I do think cowardice is a trait of Ben's, not Mark's, but quite frankly I think Mark is as NAIVE as Ben. And while being so young might somewhat justify it for teens and kids like Clem/Duck, it's not even slightly justified for a grown man with some military training. That was the word I was looking for.

[Corcline27]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

They did not know about the bandits until they meet the two in the woods on the way to the diary.

And so when Kenny says the bandits have had our number for weeks that means there's also weeks that we missed. I think a lot more happened at the motel than we know and I want to find out what it is!

[Corcline27]

Look. If had to pick between Ben and mark to eat for dinner at the st.johns. It'd be Ben. Mark would be more wiling to take action where as Ben will run in the face of danger (like leaving Clem) I believe mark would have at least attempted to protect her.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Corcline27

Look. If had to pick between Ben and mark to eat for dinner at the st.johns. It'd be Ben. Mark would be more wiling to take action where as Ben will run in the face of danger (like leaving Clem) I believe mark would have at least attempted to protect her.

I think he would have fallen down.

Or started eating her with the zombies, since he was "sooooo hungryyyyy."

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

1) gossiping with Lee like a cackling hen
2) telling Larry what Lee told him in confidence
3) weak without food. say what you want about Ben, he was never as physically weak as Mark, and he was hungry (he gobbled up the candy bar from Chuck in .25 seconds)
4) can't shoot - missed the bird
5) potentially shoots Travis, a young boy
6) blabbers about Katjaa to the St. Johns at the sight of food in .25 seconds
7) immediately trusts the St. Johns and wants to move everybody in prior to checking out the whole place
8) trusts Brenda over Katjaa, someone he knows to take the arrow out of his arm
9) drops the couch, barely manages to help with putting up the wall
10) complains about being hungry to Lee even if Lee feeds him and doesn't feed himself. talk about whiny, inconsiderate... ugh.
11) is a grown man with some military training (or whatever the chair force is?) and is as incompetent as a teen boy
12) lets Lilly downtalk him (You're only here because you had food) and doesn't stick up for himself

I'll try to think of more :P

(I don't hate Mark. I don't really hate any of the characters. But if you want to talk incompetent, I'd put him ahead of Ben.)

1. People do that. I mean, people with social contacts.
2. He is a social and trustful man and just wanted to help.
3. How do you know that? How many times Ben needed to take his own strenght to do something?
4. We just saw him shoot once. Maybe he had bad luck. Or the bird had luck. We don't know.
5. Travis had the gun in his hands and tried to rip it away. Marks finger were probably at the trigger, so it was pressed at his hand. Travis' own fault.
6. And? Katjaa wanted to come anyway and needed them. He was just nice. He could not now they were bloody cannibals.
7. ^
8. He obviously didn't know how much damage a arrow could do. And Katjaa went with her.
9. Which couch?
10. He was young and maybe stupid and in a GODAMN zombie apocalypse. He didn't treason the group.
11. I thin chair force is the expression you use if you mean someone who has a office job. So that explains his overall reactions to things, doesn't it?!?
12. Lilly is an imidiating women. Not everybody can be Kenny or Carley. Damn.

[Corcline27]

Act like you wouldn't complain from hunger during a ZA. And when he invited the group to the farm he says "maybe for the day" then he starts to question the safety of it after him and Lee are alone inspecting the fence. He just wanted a nice meal for him and the group. Can't blam him for that.

[Zeruis]

KIRKMAN? On TT's game? Nope.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Corcline27

Act like you wouldn't complain from hunger during a ZA. And when he invited the group to the farm he says "maybe for the day" then he starts to question the safety of it after him and Lee are alone inspecting the fence. He just wanted a nice meal for him and the group. Can't blam him for that.

to complain to someone who fed you instead of themselves is pretty messed up.

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

1. People do that. I mean, people with social contacts.
2. He is a social and trustful man and just wanted to help.
3. How do you know that? How many times Ben needed to take his own strenght to do something?
4. We just saw him shoot once. Maybe he had bad luck. Or the bird had luck. We don't know.
5. Travis had the gun in his hands and tried to rip it away. Marks finger were probably at the trigger, so it was pressed at his hand. Travis' own fault.
6. And? Katjaa wanted to come anyway and needed them. He was just nice. He could not now they were bloody cannibals.
7. ^
8. He obviously didn't know how much damage a arrow could do. And Katjaa went with her.
9. Which couch?
10. He was young and maybe stupid and in a GODAMN zombie apocalypse. He didn't treason the group.
11. I thin chair force is the expression you use if you mean someone who has a office job. So that explains his overall reactions to things, doesn't it?!?
12. Lilly is an imidiating women. Not everybody can be Kenny or Carley. Damn.

1) Women maybe. not even, young girls. he just reminded me of a gossiping teen girl when he went on and on in the opening scene.
2) telling raging Larry that Lee said this or that about him in the aggravated way he did wasn't going to help anybody. I say he did it out of hunger/anger.
3) You could tell by the look of Ben's figure/demeanor vs. Mark's. Mark was evidently weak by the way he shrugged/hobbled along. he was constantly complaining about hunger. that doesn't mean he didn't deserve help (you can probably tell I'm a softie); it just means what I said about him: he was weak.
5) possibility
6/7) He shouldn't have been divulging so much information about the group to strangers.
8) Katjaa went to look at the cow; they parted ways.
9) You see it on the video at the end of Episode 3.
10) Mark was a man, not a teen.
11) Why would he have army/camoflague pants if he was just in an office job?
12) I didn't say everyone had to be confident/unwilling to be pushed; I just said that Mark wasn't.

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

1) Women maybe. not even, young girls. he just reminded me of a gossiping teen girl when he went on and on in the opening scene.
2) telling raging Larry that Lee said this or that about him in the aggravated way he did wasn't going to help anybody. I say he did it out of hunger/anger.
3) You could tell by the look of Ben's figure/demeanor vs. Mark's. Mark was evidently weak by the way he shrugged/hobbled along. he was constantly complaining about hunger. that doesn't mean he didn't deserve help (you can probably tell I'm a softie); it just means what I said about him: he was weak.
5) possibility
6/7) He shouldn't have been divulging so much information about the group to strangers.
8) Katjaa went to look at the cow; they parted ways.
9) You see it on the video at the end of Episode 3.
10) Mark was a man, not a teen.
11) Why would he have army/camoflague pants if he was just in an office job?
12) I didn't say everyone had to be confident/unwilling to be pushed; I just said that Mark wasn't.

1. No, not just woman. Even man do that.
2. Maybe it would help? He couldn't know.
3. He hobbled along?!? Hunger is a nasty feeling. We don't know how much Ben did eat. I don't think, he was weak.
5. Why should he shoot him on purpose?
6. You are right. But I don't mind a bit optimsim to people who live in something thats near to a godammn fortress.
8. Alright, I did not remember. Still, It was an arrow and Brende seemed very trustworthy.
9. He was already dead, then.
10. A young men. Early twenties, I'd say, max.
11. Hm. Patriotism? Soldiarity? You know.. you can buy these, right?!?
12. Ben wasn't either.

[Platinumb]

5) I don't think that he would do it on purpose; that would make him pure evil: maybe out of panic/desire to get away from the walkers ASAP.
8) Brenda's peppy attitude freaked me out immediately!
9) Jolene's video, when he was still alive, when she had just stolen Clem's hat.
10) still older than Ben
12) of course, but Ben was younger

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

5) I don't think that he would do it on purpose; that would make him pure evil: maybe out of panic/desire to get away from the walkers ASAP.
8) Brenda's peppy attitude freaked me out immediately!
9) Jolene's video, when he was still alive, when she had just stolen Clem's hat.
10) still older than Ben
12) of course, but Ben was younger

8) Okay. Maybe some people get supspicious by that.
9) Alright. So you meant at the end of episode 2.
10) And? That doesn't make Ben more usufl. And I don't think Ben was much younger. Maybe 16.

[Platinumb]

9) Oops, yes, Episode 2's end.
10) I didn't say that proved Ben was more useful, just that Mark was more useless, which is a different thing.

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

9) Oops, yes, Episode 2's end.
10) I didn't say that proved Ben was more useful, just that Mark was more useless, which is a different thing.

"More useful" and "Less useless" are synonymes. So when you say Mark was more useless than Ben, Ben was more useful then Mark. But I think Mark was more Useful than Ben, just because he had food the group needed. Ben didn't. Ben was just useless. He did literally not a damn good thing to the group.

Edit: I still liked him. c:

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

"More useful" and "Less useless" are synonyms.

not necessarily. you can argue that neither did anything of consequence, for example, but say it was more justifiable when it came to a younger person than an older person.

(Ben does pick up Lee's gun for him, and lets other people get to safety before himself in Episode 5.)

It wasn't food that Mark had gathered; it was food that happened to be at the base, so I wouldn't say he was useful in getting food that just happened to be lying around.

Edit: I like Mark and Ben. in fact, I don't think I dislike any of the characters; though it's really hard to like Larry I try to remember him as the guy concerned over Clem and Lilly and grieving over his dead wife and suspicious of a guy who WAS a convicted murderer, but yeah.

[AnnaSan]

I would love to see where they found Mark in the Air Force Base.
I was completely lost in the start of episode 2 when I saw him, I'm just like who the hell is this guy?! xD

[Corcline27]

Originally Posted by Zeruis

KIRKMAN? On TT's game? Nope.

Just saying what if. GAWL

[Rock114]

How is Mark more imcompetent than Ben? The man told me that he had my back if anything went down. When the shit did, indeed, go down, Mark had my back even though he was a freaking zombie. That goes above and beyond just having someone's back.

[Corcline27]

Annnd if you give him the axe to work on the fence at the motel he trys to save your life when Bens zombie friend attacks. once again Mark>Ben

E- even if you dont give him any of the daily rations..

[Platinumb]

Originally Posted by Corcline27

Annnd if you give him the axe to work on the fence at the motel he trys to save your life when Bens zombie friend attacks. once again Mark>Ben

E- even if you dont give him any of the daily rations..

Even Larry does that, even if you don't give him the rations.

handling one walker > handling two