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zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 11:38 am

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Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

like I said, as long as i can do anything, Clem won't die, no matter what,
zev_zev, you asked us this question but did not say what you would do, what would you do? (just curious)

That's why I asked this horrible question, because I really don't know what would I do. My choice would be obvious in favor of Clem if not the girl-the pilot who is pregnant from the main character.

Rock114 · 01/19/2013, 11:41 am

The vaccine is hope for mankind you know... people will still die without being bitten. People who survive alone and starve, or dehydrate, or take a bad fall, or get sick, or bleed to death. Plenty of people are going to die from non-walker related injuries. If they're born without the ability to come back unless bitten, then it means that in time, if humanity DOES overcome the walkers and begins to rebuild, the chances of the apocalypse happening again greatly diminish. Hell, overcoming the walkers may even be easier further down the line, because you won't have to worry about your best friend turning if he dies from a cold, or if he bleeds out and turns when you ahve your back to him. While a vaccine may not do much in the short run, if you look at the big picture, saving Clem is just selfish as hell. I don't believe that Lee and Clem are worth more than an entire species.

BlackBoxx · 01/19/2013, 11:48 am

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

There are only one ampule vaccine, but it can be copied if there is the necessary equipment. If pregnant woman will injecting vaccine to her stomach at five's month of pregnancy, then her child will be uninfected forever, if he dies he will not turn, but bite is still deadly.

If it can be copied, it can be recreated. A small vial lost is nothing. I understand how to apply a vaccine, but how will these women get to it? It's still a zombie apocalypse out there. Communications are down. Travel is dangerous, doubly so for pregnant women. How will they even hear about it? This vaccine won't do anything. Saving Clementine will will do wonders, even if it is only in a small scope of the world.

Like I said, if all it does is prevent a dead person from turning, then it's not worth losing someone you care for (Clementine) in order to save it. A hammer will prevent a dead person from turning just as well, only messier. I can deal with a mess. If it doesn't end the zombie apocalypse, I'm not even gonna entertain the thought of sacrificing someone.

Riadon · 01/19/2013, 12:04 pm

Assuming I can't hold onto a 60 pound girl with one arm? The choice would make itself, I would keep both.

zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 12:06 pm

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Originally Posted by BlackBoxx

If it can be copied, it can be recreated. A small vial lost is nothing. I understand how to apply a vaccine, but how will these women get to it? It's still a zombie apocalypse out there. Communications are down. Travel is dangerous, doubly so for pregnant women. How will they even hear about it?

If the vaccine will get in a place like Woodbery (read comics) and if this place would has a lab with necessary equipment then there are all the chances to restore civilization one hundred years later, maybe early. Vaccine can't be recreated because the scientists who knows the formula died when horde of walkers attacked military base.

Danno123 · 01/19/2013, 12:07 pm

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

If the vaccine will get in a place like Woodbery (read comics) and if this place would has a lab with necessary equipment then there are all the chances to restore civilization one hundred years later, maybe early. Vaccine can't be recreated because the scientists who knows the formula died when horde of walkers attacked military base.

Why would you do this to our poor souls anyway...? :c

zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Riadon

Assuming I can't hold onto a 60 pound girl with one arm?

Try to open a window or door in the plane who already flying, and then you will understand why.

Robbingrobin · 01/19/2013, 12:24 pm

I still the vaccine is a pipe dream. Save Clem. Hell, if this would really happen, and I play the main character who has impregnated a woman, I'd choose my pregnant woman over clem, but when it says: "Clem or the vaccine, which does that my child doesn't turn, when it dies, but doesn't protect it from the virus at all", I'd always pick clem.

zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 12:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

"Clem or the vaccine, which does that my child doesn't turn, when it dies, but doesn't protect it from the virus at all", I'd always pick clem.

This is how vaccine works. Did you thought that the vaccine can be sprayed from aircraft for the whole country and all instantly healed? No, the process of the healing of humankind takes a lot of time.

BlackBoxx · 01/19/2013, 12:46 pm

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

If the vaccine will get in a place like Woodbery (read comics) and if this place would has a lab with necessary equipment then there are all the chances to restore civilization one hundred years later, maybe early. Vaccine can't be recreated because the scientists who knows the formula died when horde of walkers attacked military base.

Again, HOW? Even if Woodbury has the vaccine (I have read the comic recently), how is it going to reach other people? There are still billions of zombies out there. It doesn't matter if a small child who dies doesn't get back up. There are billions of other zombies out there already eating anything they find. They are the problem, not the remaining population turning into more. The lore of the comics/game already has a way to prevent people from turning, so we don't need some fancy vaccine to survive. It's better to prevent people from dying in the first place, which your vaccine doesn't do.

Platinumb · 01/19/2013, 12:49 pm

you people are nuts. I'd choose Clem over a baby. A baby has zero chance of surviving on his/her own; Clem has a possibility.

zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 01:05 pm

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Originally Posted by BlackBoxx

Again, HOW? Even if Woodbury has the vaccine (I have read the comic recently), how is it going to reach other people? There are still billions of zombies out there. It doesn't matter if a small child who dies doesn't get back up. There are billions of other zombies out there already eating anything they find. They are the problem, not the remaining population turning into more. The lore of the comics/game already has a way to prevent people from turning, so we don't need some fancy vaccine to survive. It's better to prevent people from dying in the first place, which your vaccine doesn't do.

I mean place AS a Woodbery, with lab. Place who well guarded, where many people lives, their childrens who will vaccination can begin to rebuild civilization.

Nuked · 01/19/2013, 01:24 pm

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Originally Posted by BlackBoxx

How would the vaccine make that any different? All it does is prevent someone from becoming a zombie, which is just as easily accomplished with a hammer. It doesn't eliminate all the existing ones (which greatly outnumber the living). It doesn't prevent bites from killing. So how would a pocket-sized vial of a vaccine that only stops you from becoming a zombie after death be able to save anyone?

How would word of the vaccine get out?
How many doses are there?

How would every woman who is pregnant be able to get a hold of it?

This vaccine just wouldn't fix anything. However, Clementine alone could probably prevent more zombies than a tiny vial could.

Eventually it would end the ZA.

Robbingrobin · 01/19/2013, 01:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

Eventually it would end the ZA.

HOW? Given the chance, there are laboratorys who could reproduce this stuff. Who says, you have the right specialists? Who says you have the right resoruces. Who says, you have enough time to craft it?

And even if you just have that one vaccine and give it to the first pregnant woman you find, her child wouldn't be able to reanimate by simply dying and maybe her child and every child her childs make. It would take half a millenia to repopulate the world with non-infected humans.

ZeroShoot · 01/19/2013, 01:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

Are you stupid?

no need to call people stupid

Riadon · 01/19/2013, 04:01 pm

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

Try to open a window or door in the plane who already flying, and then you will understand why.

We're talking about a 60 pound girl for fucks sake... I don't know your physique, but for someone well built, 60 pounds + air pressure/wind is nothing, even before you factor in adrenaline that allows a normal person to lift a fucking 2-ton car. If the force isn't enough to break her thin little girl arm, it isn't enough to keep me from pulling her in.

BlackBoxx · 01/19/2013, 08:45 pm

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

I mean place AS a Woodbery, with lab. Place who well guarded, where many people lives, their childrens who will vaccination can begin to rebuild civilization.

That can be done just as easily, maybe even more so, without the vaccine. We already have a means of preventing a person from turning. With time, it will become little more than a routine procedure when someone dies.

As I said in my other posts, it doesn't matter if you can prevent new ones from forming when the zombies outnumber the living to such an extent. You are still living in constant fear that there will be one that sneaks up on you, you get surrounded, you mistake one for dead or one gets in your camp while you sleep. That is the threat of the zombie apocalypse. Once it hits a certain point, trying to kill them all is just a pipe dream.

The convenience of not having to destroy the brain when someone dies is not worth the life of someone with so much potential. Now, had you said you had a means to kill all zombies across the globe at once, then I'd start considering it, but that's just not gonna happen.

Sorry to be so forward with all of this. I just really like Clementine as a character that much. I hope I'm not being rude, or coming across as angry. I'll admit I'm probably being overly passionate over a video game character. I've said my piece, so if I'm bothering you or hijacking your thread, please say something and I'll back off.

J_Scheff · 01/19/2013, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

Without the cure you'll lose more loved ones anyway, including the one you saved.

That has always been the way life is. Weather it be from old age, natural causes, cancer, murder, or walkers. Death is death. The only difference in TWD universe is after you die you reanimate. So why sacrifice an innocent girl you love?

zev_zev · 01/19/2013, 11:52 pm

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Originally Posted by BlackBoxx

Sorry to be so forward with all of this. I just really like Clementine as a character that much. I hope I'm not being rude, or coming across as angry. I'll admit I'm probably being overly passionate over a video game character. I've said my piece, so if I'm bothering you or hijacking your thread, please say something and I'll back off.

Don't apologize, it's good that you have protected your opinion, I created this topic to let people explains their decisions.

Sutinen · 01/20/2013, 12:09 am

"Ampoule with vaccine are falling out of your pocket. *Time slows down* ( as like drugstore when you must choose Carley or Doug). *sad music starts*"

I started laughing at this part. Please, go in more depth with this.
Anyways, I would rather save the mankind. But that's because I don't have the choice to save both.

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01/19/2013, 12:04 pm	#44
Riadon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 297	Assuming I can't hold onto a 60 pound girl with one arm? The choice would make itself, I would keep both. Last edited by Riadon; 01/19/2013 at 12:07 pm.

01/19/2013, 12:24 pm	#48
Robbingrobin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Somewhere safe Posts: 433	I still the vaccine is a pipe dream. Save Clem. Hell, if this would really happen, and I play the main character who has impregnated a woman, I'd choose my pregnant woman over clem, but when it says: "Clem or the vaccine, which does that my child doesn't turn, when it dies, but doesn't protect it from the virus at all", I'd always pick clem. __________________ *I am surrounded by Idiots* The fucking game has nothing to do with the fucking TV-Series. When do people get that finally, huh?

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01/19/2013, 11:41 am	#42
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,707	The vaccine is hope for mankind you know... people will still die without being bitten. People who survive alone and starve, or dehydrate, or take a bad fall, or get sick, or bleed to death. Plenty of people are going to die from non-walker related injuries. If they're born without the ability to come back unless bitten, then it means that in time, if humanity DOES overcome the walkers and begins to rebuild, the chances of the apocalypse happening again greatly diminish. Hell, overcoming the walkers may even be easier further down the line, because you won't have to worry about your best friend turning if he dies from a cold, or if he bleeds out and turns when you ahve your back to him. While a vaccine may not do much in the short run, if you look at the big picture, saving Clem is just selfish as hell. I don't believe that Lee and Clem are worth more than an entire species.

01/19/2013, 12:49 pm	#51
Platinumb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: TWD Land Posts: 229	you people are nuts. I'd choose Clem over a baby. A baby has zero chance of surviving on his/her own; Clem has a possibility.

01/20/2013, 12:09 am	#60
Sutinen Ken is my homeboy Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 206	"Ampoule with vaccine are falling out of your pocket. Time slows down ( as like drugstore when you must choose Carley or Doug). sad music starts" I started laughing at this part. Please, go in more depth with this. Anyways, I would rather save the mankind. But that's because I don't have the choice to save both.