Mankind or Clementine?

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Sutinen

I started laughing at this part.

Why? What's so funny? I described the scene as it would be in the game.

[Hudomonkey]

The way this Zombie infection works a Vaccine is the next to useless
People become walkers when they die and most people don't die from the infection and it is more likely to be a waste of a life
The vaccine will never be used and the hoards of existing walkers will never die

A vaccine is basically useless because basically zombies will still rip apart vaccinated children making it completely pointless

[BlackBoxx]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

Don't apologize, it's good that you have protected your opinion, I created this topic to let people explains their decisions.

Oh, I'm not apologizing for supporting my opinion. It's just that I have been known to get a bit rude when I get into arguments on forums from time to time. It usually happens when I fall for troll bait. That doesn't apply to this topic. It's a legit discussion. I just wanted to clear the air a bit, you know? Let people know that there's no hard feelings over a disagreement. Sometimes I just don't make that clear.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

That has always been the way life is. Weather it be from old age, natural causes, cancer, murder, or walkers. Death is death. The only difference in TWD universe is after you die you reanimate. So why sacrifice an innocent girl you love?

Are you serious? People are dying 50+ years earlier than they would otherwise. I don't care if it's my damn brother, I'm not risking the extinction of the human race for 1 person. Especially one who may very well just die the next day. Hopefully you're never put in charge of anything important.

[BenIsKindaCool]

Mankind.
I'm sorry Clemy, and I know you're a little harmless girl but C'mon..

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by BenIsKindaCool

Mankind.
I'm sorry Clemy, and I know you're a little harmless girl but C'mon..

Harmless enough to get Lee killed.

[BenIsKindaCool]

Originally Posted by Nuked

Harmless enough to get Lee killed.

...Oh..

[Mafon2]

The vacine with each post becomes more and more useless.

IMHO, u should have put on scales Clem and real fate of manking to make choice harder. It reminds me of an old question «Does the tear of a child worth a piece in whole world?»

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by Nuked

I don't care if it's my damn brother, I'm not risking the extinction of the human race for 1 person.

If it is family or a good friend of yours, sure you will, could you look your own brother in the eyes and let him go, well knowing he'll die and become a walker? No you couldn't or you'd have to be damn heartless. This little vaccine won't prevent the human race from extinction, the walkers don't magically disappear, there are Millions all over the world, what difference would like 100000 less (the newborns, who won't turn after death, but might die as well) make? not a big one. Atlanta for example is a city with x.xxx.xxx people how many do you think are still alive? not too many, since whether in the show, or the game we saw too many survivors. America has xxx.xxx.xxx citizens, how many of them do you think are walkers? exactly too many to kill so the human race has two options: die or learn to handle the walkers, to live next to them, to avoid them, to defend themselfes.
I sure as hell wouldn't sacrifice Clem (or a real person I'm close to) for such a longshot, especially since there is no time to think about it, I'd do what my instinct would tell me, and that is save the person I like/love.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

If it is family or a good friend of yours, sure you will, could you look your own brother in the eyes and let him go, well knowing he'll die and become a walker? No you couldn't or you'd have to be damn heartless. This little vaccine won't prevent the human race from extinction, the walkers don't magically disappear, there are Millions all over the world, what difference would like 100000 less (the newborns, who won't turn after death, but might die as well) make? not a big one. Atlanta for example is a city with x.xxx.xxx people how many do you think are still alive? not too many, since whether in the show, or the game we saw too many survivors. America has xxx.xxx.xxx citizens, how many of them do you think are walkers? exactly too many to kill so the human race has two options: die or learn to handle the walkers, to live next to them, to avoid them, to defend themselfes.
I sure as hell wouldn't sacrifice Clem (or a real person I'm close to) for such a longshot, especially since there is no time to think about it, I'd do what my instinct would tell me, and that is save the person I like/love.

I'm not gonna be responsible for the extinction of mankind.

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Nuked

I'm not gonna be responsible for the extinction of mankind.

For real? How intelligent are you? The vaccine is a god fucking pipe dream. It won't help with anything.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

For real? How intelligent are you? The vaccine is a god fucking pipe dream. It won't help with anything.

it's a hell of a lot more realistic than an actual ZA. Why won't it help?

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by Platinumb

you people are nuts. I'd choose Clem over a baby. A baby has zero chance of surviving on his/her own; Clem has a possibility.

It's more than one baby moron.

[k1ngMe]

Clementine is pretty selfish if she expects you to save her over mankind.

[zev_zev]

Seriously people, how you imagined the vaccine? Like a magic potion which in an instant heal all people and kill all the walkers?

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

Seriously people, how you imagined the vaccine? Like a magic potion which in an instant heal all people and kill all the walkers?

It's better than nothing.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Nuked

It's better than nothing.

That's what I'm talking about! A small chance for the rebirth of humanity.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by Nuked

Are you serious? People are dying 50+ years earlier than they would otherwise. I don't care if it's my damn brother, I'm not risking the extinction of the human race for 1 person. Especially one who may very well just die the next day. Hopefully you're never put in charge of anything important.

Ok. So lets look at this in a statistical way. Before Modern Meds and certified doctors, There were 500,000+ pregnancy deaths a year for women during childbirth. There were 700,000+ Child deaths during childbirth every year. And this is before our Population was 6 Billion making these statistics even more powerful.

So now, 80ish percent of our population is dead, similar to the black death plague in Europe. Only now, the dead come back to eat the living. You really think that saving the vaccine is our way out of this mess? Even if we do get the vaccine to the military base, where does that leave us?

We are assuming that there are modern meds and certified doctors in that military base, and we are assuming there are a bunch of 5 month pregnant women there too. In reality tho, that would not be the case. There may be some scientists and some military medics who are trained for wounds not assisting giving birth. And there would not be a secret stash of 5 month along pregnant women ready to have their babies injected.

But lets say the military base does have doctors, and meds, and maybe a mom or two that find this base and are let in. Sweet. But how do we know they are at the right base? There are hundreds of bases across the US. And no form of communication linking them together

Not to mention it is tough for pregnant women to travel long distances, and many would be nowhere near a secret military base, and even if they were how would they find it. Its secret after all. And many bases will have already been overrun like the one that made the vaccine. Many women would end up giving birth on the road, without doctors and without modern meds. But even if a few did survive they would be crying, starving and attracting walkers, and they would already be born with the virus so who cares?

How many cures have we found for Cancer? And we have been working on that for years and years. Some vaccines for other diseases work on certain people but not on others, how do we know it will actually work on others? Plus to find that out, they would have had to test it on 50+ babies, and if that is the case, the vaccine in the vial is not too important because they can duplicate and recreate a vaccine using someones blood who has been cured already.

And what is to stop this military base with the vaccine from being overrun like the other one was?

When it comes down to it, its all about statistics. The odds of everything that I mentioned before working out flawlessly in a ZA are next to none. The odds however at saving a 9 year old child are greatly, greatly increased.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

Plus to find that out, they would have had to test it on 50+ babies, and if that is the case, the vaccine in the vial is not too important because they can duplicate and recreate a vaccine using someones blood who has been cured already.

.

I was wrote earlier, that those scientists who knowed the formula of the vaccine, and their subjects, and all the people on the military base are dead.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

When it comes down to it, its all about statistics. The odds of everything that I mentioned before working out flawlessly in a ZA are next to none. The odds however at saving a 9 year old child are greatly, greatly increased.

And what's the chance of that 9 year old surviving the next year?