Mankind or Clementine?

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by Nuked

And what's the chance of that 9 year old surviving the next year?

Like I said, It is far more likely for a 9 year old to survive than everything mentioned before working out perfectly. The odds are against both the vaccine and the 9 year old. But when you asses the situation its far more likely that a girl who has seen what she has seen, and done what she has done to survive a long time, especially if she is with a guardian like "Steve". She has already survived a long time, probably about 9 months or more with Lee. Now she is with Steve and they are in a plane. They could fly to an island and live out the rest of their days in peace for all we know. Clem could live to be 90. But what we do know, is that the odds of the vaccine actually saving humanity is NEXT TO NONE.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

I was wrote earlier, that those scientists who knowed the formula of the vaccine, and their subjects, and all the people on the military base are dead.

So if everyone is dead at that military base, what makes the next one safe and the hope for humanity? If they can fall from a heard of walkers just the same, who is to say the new base wouldnt be overrun just as easily and kill everyone, even the vaccinated babies?

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

So if everyone is dead at that military base, what makes the next one safe and the hope for humanity? If they can fall from a heard of walkers just the same, who is to say the new base wouldnt be overrun just as easily and kill everyone, even the vaccinated babies?

True. There is no guarantee that will be able to use the vaccine, to begin a slow recovery of civilization.

Let's see what is Clementine as a character, what is she represent? Clementine - is the personification of hope and all the good that's left in the world, like Lee said. If she dies, then along with she die the death of hope.

What is a vaccine? The vaccine is real hope in the hands of "Steve". He (we) are keeping in the hands of two kinds of hope, but what he should to save?

[LauriNicole]

If it's guaranteed the cure will work and it can save every newborn, then the vaccine.

If not, Clem.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

True. There is no guarantee that will be able to use the vaccine, to begin a slow recovery of civilization.

Let's see what is Clementine as a character, what is she represent? Clementine - is the personification of hope and all the good that's left in the world, like Lee said. If she dies, then along with she die the death of hope.

What is a vaccine? The vaccine is real hope in the hands of "Steve". He (we) are keeping in the hands of two kinds of hope, but what he should to save?

I will admit you are a good devils advocate on this topic. And you really make me think.

I am going to stick to my statistical point of view tho.

Lets say we can choose between hope that is around 50+ percent likely to survive, or we can choose a hope that is around 1% likely to survive.

What would the smart and most realistic choice be to maintain hope? Obviously the 50+ right? Well Clem is equal to the 50+ percent and the likelihood of the vaccine actually working the way it needs to is the 1%.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

What would the smart and most realistic choice be to maintain hope? Obviously the 50+ right? Well Clem is equal to the 50+ percent and the likelihood of the vaccine actually working the way it needs to is the 1%.

Depressurization

Did you save Clementine against vaccine?

You and 53% players saved Clem

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[Riadon]

Maybe the slow choice should start only after failing a QTE. It could be like the QTE of choking the stranger, but much, MUCH harder to do. This makes it possible for players to save both, but only those players who are really, REALLY determined.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Riadon

Maybe the slow choice should start only after failing a QTE. It could be like the QTE of choking the stranger, but much, MUCH harder to do. This makes it possible for players to save both, but only those players who are really, REALLY determined.

No, I imagine this moment without QTE. You will need to either just simply click on the ampule who falling out of pocket, or by Clementine's hand. If we needing to pressing qqqqqqqqqqqq there will be no time to make a decision.

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

likelihood of the vaccine actually working the way it needs to is the 1%.

To end the ZA we first must kill off all walkers, then all old and sick people, so they don't get more, everyone over 60 dies, everyone over 40 who's in bad shape too, then we need to get every women there is left pregnant and with the vaccine we need to get sure the babies won't be infected anymore, then we need to raise the babies to the age of 20, teach them everything about survival and old world's knowledge as good as we remember it, then everybody who carries the infection has to die, and only THEN the ZA is over, and the vaccine fullfilled it's purpose, and I don't see any way this will work out, since there are over 7,5 thousand millions of people on our beautiful planet who could as well be 7,5 thousand millions of walkers .
Seems pretty much like a longshot to me, so I'm for saving Clem, since mankind needs as many children as possible, because they potentially will live longer, so we'd need to protect them, besides that she can keep the spirit of a group up, that will help people to survive.

[Riadon]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

No, I imagine this moment without QTE. You will need to either just simply click on the ampule who falling out of pocket, or by Clementine's hand. If we needing to pressing qqqqqqqqqqqq there will be no time to make a decision.

You didn't understand. I meant like you grab her just before she falls out of the plane and before she grabs the handle and have a chance to pull her in if you have ridiculous QTE endurance. If you fail, and you almost definitely will, she will fall out and grab the handle, and then things proceed as normal. If you succeed, you don't need to make the choice.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

To end the ZA we first must kill off all walkers, then all old and sick people, so they don't get more, everyone over 60 dies, everyone over 40 who's in bad shape too, then we need to get every women there is left pregnant and with the vaccine we need to get sure the babies won't be infected anymore, then we need to raise the babies to the age of 20, teach them everything about survival and old world's knowledge as good as we remember it, then everybody who carries the infection has to die, and only THEN the ZA is over, and the vaccine fullfilled it's purpose, and I don't see any way this will work out, since there are over 7,5 thousand millions of people on our beautiful planet who could as well be 7,5 thousand millions of walkers .
Seems pretty much like a longshot to me, so I'm for saving Clem, since mankind needs as many children as possible, because they potentially will live longer, so we'd need to protect them, besides that she can keep the spirit of a group up, that will help people to survive.

So you are agreeing with me? You should have made this a reply to Nuked. lol He is the driving force being killing an innocent kid for a pipe dream.

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

So you are agreeing with me? You should have made this a reply to Nuked. lol He is the driving force being killing an innocent kid for a pipe dream.

Yeah I am, was just showing how right you are, with the point of the vaccine being (almost) useless

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Riadon

You didn't understand. I meant like you grab her just before she falls out of the plane and before she grabs the handle and have a chance to pull her in if you have ridiculous QTE endurance. If you fail, and you almost definitely will, she will fall out and grab the handle, and then things proceed as normal. If you succeed, you don't need to make the choice.

No. At the moment, when the last walker grabs her by the leg, and Clem hold of the handle, "Steve" still sits on the site of the second pilot. I mean that you cannot be avoided of this choosing.

[Riadon]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

No. At the moment, when the last walker grabs her by the leg, and Clem hold of the handle, "Steve" still sits on the site of the second pilot. I mean that you cannot be avoided of this choosing.

You can shoot the walker while holding onto her.

The choice doesn't need to be so absolute. As I said earlier, one could easily pull her 60 pound body back into the plane with one hand, especially with adrenaline.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Riadon

You can shoot the walker while holding onto her.

The choice doesn't need to be so absolute. As I said earlier, one could easily pull her 60 pound body back into the plane with one hand, especially with adrenaline.

The plane began to quickly gain height, and leaned forward up. The last walker are grab Clementine by the leg, she had grab up one hand on the handle of the door before she fall out of the plane. Her baseball cap are falling.
- You: "HOLD ON CLEM!" *shoot the walker, and caught her by her hand, you hold her in two hands*.
-Clementine: HELP! HOLD ME!
-You:" I TRYING, IT'S TOO DIFFICULT!"

[Riadon]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

The plane began to quickly gain height, and leaned forward up. The last walker are grab Clementine by the leg, she had grab up one hand on the handle of the door before she fall out of the plane. Her baseball cap are falling.
- You: "HOLD ON CLEM!" *shoot the walker, and caught her by her hand, you hold her in two hands*.
-Clementine: HELP! HOLD ME!
-You:" I TRYING, IT'S TOO DIFFICULT!"

I'm proposing the addition of a sort of "hidden choice", your original scenario is incredibly restrictive.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Riadon

You can shoot the walker while holding onto her.

The choice doesn't need to be so absolute. As I said earlier, one could easily pull her 60 pound body back into the plane with one hand, especially with adrenaline.

Ok. Why Lee could not save Shawn? Why Lee could not pull Larry from the place where he had fallen block of salt? I'll tell you why. Because the script is not provided

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Riadon

I'm proposing the addition of a sort of "hidden choice", your original scenario is incredibly restrictive.

Have you noticed that the whole game's script are incredibly restrictive?

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

Yeah I am, was just showing how right you are, with the point of the vaccine being (almost) useless

Gotcha! Yeah I dont understand how people think a vaccine that is so limited in its uses could turn the tides for the human species in such a messed up world as TWD universe is. At least we would have made the right choice! haha

[anonymau5]

In this scenario, Clem. In a scenario where you could actually save all of humanity, humanity.