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ZeroShoot · 01/20/2013, 01:49 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

I prefer murderers being locked away.

I prefer 'em dead, I mean they killed at least one person cold blooded, Lee's case is different he did not do it on purpose it was an accident, but if someone just walks upon some random dude and shots him in the face I think it's the closest thing to justice to give him the death sentence.

anonymau5 · 01/20/2013, 02:23 pm

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Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

I prefer 'em dead, I mean they killed at least one person cold blooded, Lee's case is different he did not do it on purpose it was an accident, but if someone just walks upon some random dude and shots him in the face I think it's the closest thing to justice to give him the death sentence.

That never happens without one of them having psychological issues. If this happens I don't want the murderer to get the death sentence. I want him to get proper help.

Robbingrobin · 01/20/2013, 02:48 pm

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Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

I prefer 'em dead, I mean they killed at least one person cold blooded, Lee's case is different he did not do it on purpose it was an accident, but if someone just walks upon some random dude and shots him in the face I think it's the closest thing to justice to give him the death sentence.

Lee wanted to kill the senator. It was in the heat of the moment, but he did it, and it was wrong. He knew about the affair. So it could easily be understood as murder by the law.

Nuked · 01/20/2013, 03:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Mafon2

In Russia, Lee (if account his crime as murder in affective state) probably could have ended with 3 years (maximum) of freedom limitation or jail (for judge to decide). With the right to get a release after half of the term. We here don't care for human lifes :-|.

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Lee wanted to kill the senator. It was in the heat of the moment, but he did it, and it was wrong. He knew about the affair. So it could easily be understood as murder by the law.

Falls under second degree murder.

Robbingrobin · 01/20/2013, 03:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

Falls under second degree murder.

I am just saying it wasn't an accident.

Riadon · 01/20/2013, 03:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

I am just saying it wasn't an accident.

According to Lee it was.

Platinumb · 01/20/2013, 03:23 pm

Maybe he struck with anger, he didn't strike with the intention to kill, but it did. i.e. when you're really mad, sometimes you don't know you're own strength. maybe he pushed the senator near a glass window, and the guy fell out and down to his death, for example.

Robbingrobin · 01/20/2013, 03:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Riadon

According to Lee it was.

Yeah, I did not formulate that correctly. I meant, it could be avoided, by speaking to his wife and saying he knew about the affair.

Demopan · 01/20/2013, 04:49 pm

Carley says he got a life sentence.

Rock114 · 01/20/2013, 05:42 pm

Since he said he knew about the affair, the court could have decided that it was pre-meditated, and it also got bumped up to 1st degree murder because of the high-profile victim.

Nuked · 01/20/2013, 05:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Riadon

According to Lee it was.

If you intend to hurt someone and you end up killing then it's second degree.

J_Scheff · 01/20/2013, 06:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Rock114

Since he said he knew about the affair, the court could have decided that it was pre-meditated, and it also got bumped up to 1st degree murder because of the high-profile victim.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Rommel49 · 01/20/2013, 07:25 pm

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Not all murders are a life sentence. 25 is the fewest you can get in the US for 1st/2nd degree murder. In France 20 is the most you can get. I prefer murderers being locked away.

Something to also keep in mind is that just because someone gets a life sentence in the U.S., doesn't mean they actually serve it. Standard thinking being that it just isn't worth it to continue keeping some guy in his 60's - 70's behind bars (particularly with the overcrowding in U.S. Prisons). To an extent, it's why the majority of death penalty sentences become life sentences - it's more expensive to execute a guy (what with all the appeals, etc.).

I prefer a system that works. France has both a lower recidivism rate and murder rate than the U.S. Insofar as actually mitigating crime goes, the U.S. system sucks pretty hard.

Nuked · 01/20/2013, 10:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Rock114

Since he said he knew about the affair, the court could have decided that it was pre-meditated, and it also got bumped up to 1st degree murder because of the high-profile victim.

If i remember correctly, Lee said he came back to his house after canceling class and his wife was sleeping with the senator.

CarScar · 01/20/2013, 10:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

If i remember correctly, Lee said he came back to his house after canceling class and his wife was sleeping with the senator.

"It was an accident. I mean, I pretty much already knew about the affair..."

Nuked · 01/20/2013, 10:09 pm

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Originally Posted by CarScar

"It was an accident. I mean, I pretty much already knew about the affair..."

Is this during his conversation with the creep?

CarScar · 01/20/2013, 10:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Nuked

Is this during his conversation with the creep?

Nope, it was with Carley while walking to the St. John dairy.

Here's the whole conversation (from memory):

Lee: "Well... not everyone thinks I'm so trustworthy."
Carley: "Because of your past? Does anyone else know?"
Lee: "Larry knows."
Carley: "Great, that can't be easy."
Lee: "Clementine... might know. She was there when we were talking in the drugstore and asked me about it. I lied to her but..."
Carley: "What exactly did happen with the senator?"
Lee: "It was an accident... I mean, I pretty much knew about the affair."

dubesor · 01/20/2013, 10:25 pm

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Originally Posted by CarScar

Nope, it was with Carley while walking to the St. John dairy.

Here's the whole conversation (from memory):

Lee: "Well... not everyone thinks I'm so trustworthy."
Carley: "Because of your past? Does anyone else know?"
Lee: "Larry knows."
Carley: "Great, that can't be easy."
Lee: "Clementine... might know. She was there when we were talking in the drugstore and asked me about it. I lied to her but..."
Carley: "What exactly did happen with the senator?"
Lee: "It was an accident... I mean, I pretty much knew about the affair."

If that statement of Lee is true it would mean maybe he tried to beat him up, hurt him or toss him out of the window etc and he died as a result of that.

that would most likely have been considered voluntary manslaughter if the jury+judge believed him. So either way it's either (second degree) murder or voluntary manslaughter conviction.

CarScar · 01/20/2013, 10:59 pm

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Originally Posted by dubesor

If that statement of Lee is true it would mean maybe he tried to beat him up, hurt him or toss him out of the window etc and he died as a result of that.

that would most likely have been considered voluntary manslaughter if the jury+judge believed him. So either way it's either (second degree) murder or voluntary manslaughter conviction.

It's true, that's assuming the jury and judge believed him. The fact that the game made it a senator that Lee killed seems to insinuate that some corruption occurred in the trial. Biased, if you will.

I'd imagine defense of provocation would work nicely in this case, assuming Lee played his cards right. Although, as stated by the game, Lee got a life sentence.

"This is your parent's store; folks around town know the owner's son got himself a life sentence..."

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01/20/2013, 03:23 pm	#27
Platinumb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: TWD Land Posts: 229	Maybe he struck with anger, he didn't strike with the intention to kill, but it did. i.e. when you're really mad, sometimes you don't know you're own strength. maybe he pushed the senator near a glass window, and the guy fell out and down to his death, for example.

01/20/2013, 04:49 pm	#29
Demopan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 180	Carley says he got a life sentence.

01/20/2013, 05:42 pm	#30
Rock114 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: U.S. of A. Posts: 1,712	Since he said he knew about the affair, the court could have decided that it was pre-meditated, and it also got bumped up to 1st degree murder because of the high-profile victim.