Mankind or Clementine?

[Sutinen]

Originally Posted by Varyag

About Crawford. Crawford was fall, because Anna Korea, was shoot a lot of people, then they became the walkers, because of virus. This is another reason to saving vaccine.

Yeah, well the armed guards must have taken her down in a minute. I highly doubt she killed any of the Crawford's trained soldiers.

[BlackBoxx]

Originally Posted by Nuked

What makes you sure another cure will be found. More people die everyday. Thus go down the number of doctors and scientist.

Sorry. Twas time for me to sleep after my last post.

I'm not sure a cure will be found. I said an answer. Remember, the problem isn't the infection, it's the current number of zombies. There's just far too many of them for humanity to be safe, even if they no longer turn into them. A campaign to kill all walkers is just as much answer, though it is nigh impossible the way the world is in the series. Instead, all the living people need to learn how to prevent zombies while being on constant lookout for more.

This vaccine is too limited to represent true hope. It only works on newborn children. That mean every person still alive will still become zombies. It will take who knows how long before your scenario of a person dying alone and their zombie surprising people to no longer be a possibility. Thus, humanity will still need to learn how to deal with the infection for several more years. Brains will still need destruction until the uninfected greatly outnumber the infected. Humanity is more likely to die out before that happens unless they learn to deal with it, which has been my suggestion the whole time.

How many women will be having children in this environment? My guess is not many. It's too much of a risk. The pregnant woman slowly loses the ability to do things by herself. She needs more resources, especially food than normal. The childbirth itself can be fatal for both mother and child. When all is said and done, even if the child is born safely, they will cause even more danger with their instinct to cry for attention. I suppose women could be forced to get pregnant, but that would just open a whole other can of worms there. We've seen how tyrannies and dictatorships work in the Walking Dead.

So, pregnant women will either be at significant risk, or they will be in a secure community like Woodbury or Crawford. As we've seen, those places are not 100% secure. Ignorance and complacency doomed Crawford (never considered that living people may be able to cause more damage than zombies). Arrogance doomed Woodbury (a single person who thought he could take whatever he wanted caused a chain of events that got several of his people killed).

The vaccine isn't going to save anything. I'm not letting Clem die for so much nothing.

[JakeSt123]

Originally Posted by double_u

As explained by Spock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA

You beat me to it!

I'd pick mankind.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by Nuked

This is assuming you're just gonna find another vaccine down the road. What about people who die alone? Whose brains cant be destroyed before the turn? It's a problem that will never truly go away without some sort of long term solution.

You are avoiding statistics. I have already said that there is a possibility Clem gets bit and dies. I said there is a possibility the Cure will fail in saving humanity.
The chances of Clem surviving is much higher than the cure providing a "long term solution."

Choosing Clem does not make me greedy, I dont know where your getting that from. I dont want Clem to survive because I would be lonely without her or something, I have a wife-pilot with a child on the way remember? I want Clem to live because she is innocent. She is hope. She is Love. She deserves to live.

Like I said before, they are in a plane, they could easily fly to an island off the shores of the US or even farther. US Cargo plains have ridiculous amounts of fuel in them. that situation is actually quite possible and probable.

There is less than 1% chance everything will go right with your cure saving humanity. There is nothing greedy about listening to reason.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

There is no salvation through the fucking vaccine, humanity could achieve not by itself. But apperantly the most people here are not able to get that. THE WORLD IS FUCKING HUGE AND NOT JUST THE US. What helps you to disinfect a child in the US, when south america, aslaska and canada is still fucking swarming with the dead. And how do you get kerosine, to carry it across the atlantic? Internet? Phone?

In the vaccine lies no salvation at all. The humanity itself is the only thing that can helps itself to deal with the crisis, getting a new world and starting to create a new civilisation, before they built another global system, they have centuries, maybe even more.

With the right rules, community can exist, just dealing with the death by itself. A law to register, closer goverment actually checking for everybody, nightwatchers and similiar things. Soon the economy starts to blossom again. There could be ceremonies and or other systems to prevent people, which die to reanimate (which I admit, could be hard, since people don't now the time frame, a corpse turns.)

You know a vaccine can be copied right?

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Nuked

You know a vaccine can be copied right?

I stop trying here, you will never get it. Hopeless case.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by J_Scheff

Choosing Clem does not make me greedy, I dont know where your getting that from. I dont want Clem to survive because I would be lonely without her or something, I have a wife-pilot with a child on the way remember? I want Clem to live because she is innocent. She is hope. She is Love. She deserves to live.

What happened to Lee and Kenny would suggest differently. And what do you think would be the chances of her living to become an adult? What other long term solution is there? You don't just give up on something because it might not work.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by Robbingrobin

I stop trying here, you will never get it. Hopeless case.

You keep telling yourself that.

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by Nuked

What happened to Lee and Kenny would suggest differently. And what do you think would be the chances of her living to become an adult? What other long term solution is there? You don't just give up on something because it might not work.

That's just what you are talking about too, we don't give up Clem although she might die, same goes for you and the vaccine.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

That's just what you are talking about too, we don't give up Clem although she might die, same goes for you and the vaccine.

Except Clem does absolutely nothing to potentially end the ZA.

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by Nuked

Except Clem does absolutely nothing to potentially end the ZA.

she is a kid means she'll potentially live longer than an adult, means at least she delays the extinction of the human race, if she manages to survive that long, one day she'll have kids of her one perhaps. Kids are worthy for mankind in a ZA.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

she is a kid means she'll potentially live longer than an adult, means at least she delays the extinction of the human race, if she manages to survive that long, one day she'll have kids of her one perhaps. Kids are worthy for mankind in a ZA.

Say only 50 women get the cure. That means their kids won't have to worry bout turning, neither will their kids and so on. That helps a lot more to delay extinction than one girl.

[zev_zev]

Why no one thinks about what really would like Clem in this situation?

[Robbingrobin]

I already said, I pull her up. Mankind would have to save it self, I have a little girl to take care of, which OBVIOUSLY doesn't want to drop to the ground to end just a stain. And everybody who tries to step in my way, gonna pay for it.

[ZeroShoot]

Originally Posted by Nuked

Say only 50 women get the cure. That means their kids won't have to worry bout turning, neither will their kids and so on. That helps a lot more to delay extinction than one girl.

does still not mean they can't die, how much special care does a baby need? special food, eventually special meds, 24/7 supervision...
Clem can shoot a gun, she is quick, smart and besides her naivety I consider her as an adult. because as Chuck said, walkers don't give a shit if you're a kid, and she has proven herself to be very mature for her age, I think the odds of her surviving for a good time are higher, than for any of those babies to become older than 5 years.

[zev_zev]

I mean, that Clementine is ready to give his life for the sake of the great goal because she is the embodiment of good. It proves that the mankind with dignity exist. (enough to speak about the fact that the chances for the healing of humanity are small, I know, that chances are too small). But else Clementine shows us that there is hope, who is ready to give up hope for the Ghost-dream come true?

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by ZeroShoot

does still not mean they can't die, how much special care does a baby need? special food, eventually special meds, 24/7 supervision...
Clem can shoot a gun, she is quick, smart and besides her naivety I consider her as an adult. because as Chuck said, walkers don't give a shit if you're a kid, and she has proven herself to be very mature for her age, I think the odds of her surviving for a good time are higher, than for any of those babies to become older than 5 years.

Smart enough to get herself kidnapped. So what? You just give up on reproducing and let humanity go extinct?

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

Why no one thinks about what really would like Clem in this situation?

I have no clue what she'd want. As a 9-year-old girl though, she'd probably want you to pull her up.

[zev_zev]

Originally Posted by Nuked

I have no clue what she'd want. As a 9-year-old girl though, she'd probably want you to pull her up.

You are a very very deeply are mistaken, you probably still did not understand Clementine. She is not a just 9-10 year old girl. She's a unique. She understand much more than we may think.

[Nuked]

Originally Posted by zev_zev

You are a very very deeply are mistaken, you probably still did not understand Clementine. She is not a just 9-10 year old girl. She's a unique. She understand much more than we may think.

You an many other people on this board WANT to think she's smart. She really isn't. You have to work on your grammar though.