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Crixus · 01/26/2013, 09:47 am

A majority of players chose to spare Andy ST John after they had previously killed Danny ST John. I think the choice to spare Andy is the wrong choice because there is no reason why he couldn't have escaped,it's not like he was trapped in a room,he was out in the open, plus there are weapons around the farm if he needed any, but another reason i chose not to spare him was because if he survived he will be obviously wanting revenge for the death of his mother and brother and he knows exactly where to go to find you. I know alot of people decided to not kill Andy because they were scared of what Clem would think after seeing her reaction to the death of Danny, but people have to remember that at the end of the day she is still a 8 year old little girl who doesnt always know or understand what is best for whereas Lee is a grown man who needs to do what is best for Clementine whether she agrees or likes what has to be done. Any thoughts?

zev_zev · 01/26/2013, 09:59 am

I always tried to educate Clementine, as I would have educating my own daughter. I tried to teach her that there is nothing more important than a human life, but to kill you need in only cases of extreme necessity.
Besides, I gave Andy a chance, he did not used, I understand why, because he lost his entire family, Andy just fell to his knees and began to wait for his death. It was very dramatic.

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 10:03 am

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

I always tried to educate Clementine, as I would have educating my own daughter. I tried to teach her that there is nothing more important than a human life, but to kill you need in only cases of extreme necessity.
Besides, I gave Andy a chance, he did not used, I understand why, because he lost his entire family, Andy just fell to his knees and began to wait for his death. It was very dramatic.

True but when you make the choice to spare him you have no idea that he was most likely going to accept his death

double_u · 01/26/2013, 10:08 am

When Andy St. John challenged Lee "to fight him like a man" he was basically asking to get killed. He was already badly injured from the initial beating. The whole group was there to back Lee up as well. There was no way he could've beat Lee, and he knew it. It was kinda like a "suicide by cop" scenario. From that scene, I decided that Andy was broken and wanted to die. So, I decided to let the walkers finish him. It was basically two birds with one stone IMHO - walkers still kill Andy while I walk away looking like the better man to my group, especially for Clem. However, if there were no walkers converging on the farm, I would've killed Andy just to be safe and out of retribution.

The final scene at the diary farm is a really good scene.

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by double_u

When Andy St. John challenged Lee "to fight him like a man" he was basically asking to get killed. He was already badly injured from the initial beating. The whole group was there to back Lee up as well. There was no way he could've beat Lee, and he knew it. It was kinda like a "suicide by cop" scenario. From that scene, I decided that Andy was broken and wanted to die. So, I decided to let the walkers finish him. It was basically two birds with one stone IMHO - walkers still kill Andy while I walk away looking like the better man to my group, especially for Clem. However, if there were no walkers converging on the farm, I would've killed Andy just to be safe and out of retribution.

The final scene at the diary farm is a really good scene.

Yeah For what its worth i think that even if Andy is spared he does get eaten because as you say he was a broken man but for me personally i could not take that chance,i had to make sure he would never come back.

zev_zev · 01/26/2013, 10:26 am

When Andy said: "Get back and finish this Lee!" If you choose to leave him, do you remember how Lee closed his eyes and shook his head? At this moment Lee as if mentally shouted: "I'm not as like you!"
It's awesome

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 10:28 am

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

When Andy said: "Get back and finish this Lee!" If you choose to leave him, do you remember how Lee closed his eyes and shook his head? At this moment Lee as if mentally shouted: "I'm not as like you!"
It's awesome

It is an awesome scene as is his death scene, the voice actor for Andy is awesome aswell.

J_Scheff · 01/26/2013, 10:39 am

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Originally Posted by zev_zev

When Andy said: "Get back and finish this Lee!" If you choose to leave him, do you remember how Lee closed his eyes and shook his head? At this moment Lee as if mentally shouted: "I'm not as like you!"
It's awesome

That is awesome. I love the Linda Hostage situation to the last scene of the dairy, all is sooo dramatic and well done.. I just cant get enough of this game!

Kaserkin · 01/26/2013, 10:40 am

Why kill them? It's easier to leave Danny to bleed to death in his own trap and leaving Andy to the zombies. There is no need to get blood on my hands.

Robbingrobin · 01/26/2013, 10:41 am

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That is awesome. I love the Linda Hostage situation to the last scene of the dairy, all is sooo dramatic and well done.. I just cant get enough of this game!

Who the fuck is Linda?

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 10:47 am

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Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Why kill them? It's easier to leave Danny to bleed to death in his own trap and leaving Andy to the zombies. There is no need to get blood on my hands.

But you never see Andy get eaten, he could easily escape and what if he was to save Danny and then they both come for some revenge. They were evil men who for me anyways could not be allowed to live because of the threat they posed not just to me and my group but to any other survivors out there.

zev_zev · 01/26/2013, 11:22 am

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Who the fuck is Linda?

He meant Brenda.

Linda was one of the bandits in the forest who was killed by Carley or Lilly in ep 3

Saemunder · 01/26/2013, 12:30 pm

And no one mentions that they are cannibals. I'd kill em over and over no matter who was watching just because of that. If there is even a chance one of them gets away he will still be inclined to dine on his favorite meat, human. I can't live with the thought that there is even a tiny chance that someone else will die because of that. My first playthrough I was so angry about them (maybe because I couldn't hurt them enough) that it did affect my choice with the supplies in the car, I took those supplies - we were starving and there was no way I was even considering coming close to the St.Johns kind of desperation.

It was a well done scene and I think shows alot about how we think and what we see as being more morally correct.

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 12:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Saemunder

And no one mentions that they are cannibals. I'd kill em over and over no matter who was watching just because of that. If there is even a chance one of them gets away he will still be inclined to dine on his favorite meat, human. I can't live with the thought that there is even a tiny chance that someone else will die because of that. My first playthrough I was so angry about them (maybe because I couldn't hurt them enough) that it did affect my choice with the supplies in the car, I took those supplies - we were starving and there was no way I was even considering coming close to the St.Johns kind of desperation.

It was a well done scene and I think shows alot about how we think and what we see as being more morally correct.

Yeah that was pretty much my line of thinking aswell.

Koi · 01/26/2013, 12:39 pm

The defeated position he sank down in and the way the camera panned just really didn't look like he was about to get back up and fight the horde. To me, he was clearly grieving because he sensed something had happened to Danny and Brenda through the words of Lee (you could straight up tell him they're dead, but even if you pick the other options, his expression shows that he understands what he meant) and that's why he sank to his knees and called out to Lee to "finish" it, as in shoot him. He saw Lee pick up the shotgun; he's not dumb, if he wanted to live he wouldn't taunt an armed man like that, and even if he only said it because he knew Lee wouldn't kill him, he wouldn't have stayed in such a vulnerable position while witnessing the horde of zombies headed in his direction.

It's the same argument as whether or not Kenny's dead - no, they did not explicitly show the zombies tearing his insides out, but it doesn't really feel necessary. The overall effect of both Kenny and Andy's last scenes are that they knowingly accepted their deaths, in my opinion. It's much more dramatic and emotional than just showing zombies chewing at their intestines.

Jaded X Gamer · 01/26/2013, 12:41 pm

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But you never see Andy get eaten, he could easily escape and what if he was to save Danny and then they both come for some revenge. They were evil men who for me anyways could not be allowed to live because of the threat they posed not just to me and my group but to any other survivors out there.

I really just wasn't worried about them by the time it was over. We took their rifles, their mom got zombified, Danny's stuck in a bear trap. I wasn't worried about revenge either because the St. Johns chief weapon was deception. Now that we know who they are they wouldn't be able to get close to the Motor Inn without losing their head.

I wasn't too worried about other survivors either because I figured the bandits would probably finish the St. Johns off. If they were still dealing with those people they're probably not going to make their payment and if not then Bandits will probably just ransack the place and kill the brothers now that the fence was broken and their was only two slightly less armed people left.

Mostly I just wanted to go home already.

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 12:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Jaded X Gamer

I really just wasn't worried about them by the time it was over. We took their rifles, their mom got zombified, Danny's stuck in a bear trap. I wasn't worried about revenge either because the St. Johns chief weapon was deception. Now that we know who they are they wouldn't be able to get close to the Motor Inn without losing their head.

I wasn't too worried about other survivors either because I figured the bandits would probably finish the St. Johns off. If they were still dealing with those people they're probably not going to make their payment and if not then Bandits will probably just ransack the place and kill the brothers now that the fence was broken and their was only two slightly less armed people left.

Mostly I just wanted to go home already.

Good point but i'd be scared that they could end up like the stranger, and we both know how badly he screwed the group over

Jaded X Gamer · 01/26/2013, 12:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Crixus

Good point but i'd be scared that they could end up like the stranger, and we both know how badly he screwed the group over

My cousin actually thought the guy on the radio was Andy St John since he didn't kill him. That'd be a horrible ending. Lee bursts into the Marsh House only to find Andy eating what's left of Clementine.

Crixus · 01/26/2013, 12:55 pm

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My cousin actually thought the guy on the radio was Andy St John since he didn't kill him. That'd be a horrible ending. Lee bursts into the Marsh House only to find Andy eating what's left of Clementine.

Tell me about it, thats why i had to make sure he was dead by killing him myself!

Village boy · 01/26/2013, 01:09 pm

I think that killing the brothers-cannibals it's akt of mercy, because its better death, then eating alive by walkers.

01/26/2013, 09:47 am	#1
Crixus Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Not in Kenny's boat anyways! (Thanks alot Vernon....) Posts: 285	Not killing both of the ST Johns brothers is the wrong choice... A majority of players chose to spare Andy ST John after they had previously killed Danny ST John. I think the choice to spare Andy is the wrong choice because there is no reason why he couldn't have escaped,it's not like he was trapped in a room,he was out in the open, plus there are weapons around the farm if he needed any, but another reason i chose not to spare him was because if he survived he will be obviously wanting revenge for the death of his mother and brother and he knows exactly where to go to find you. I know alot of people decided to not kill Andy because they were scared of what Clem would think after seeing her reaction to the death of Danny, but people have to remember that at the end of the day she is still a 8 year old little girl who doesnt always know or understand what is best for whereas Lee is a grown man who needs to do what is best for Clementine whether she agrees or likes what has to be done. Any thoughts? __________________ Lee: What the fuck Kenny?! Kenny: Lee, Lee, it's okay. Lee: No, KEN! NO, It's not! Kenny: It's just somethin' I gotta do. You know that. Last edited by Crixus; 01/26/2013 at 09:50 am.

01/26/2013, 12:30 pm	#13
Saemunder Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12	And no one mentions that they are cannibals. I'd kill em over and over no matter who was watching just because of that. If there is even a chance one of them gets away he will still be inclined to dine on his favorite meat, human. I can't live with the thought that there is even a tiny chance that someone else will die because of that. My first playthrough I was so angry about them (maybe because I couldn't hurt them enough) that it did affect my choice with the supplies in the car, I took those supplies - we were starving and there was no way I was even considering coming close to the St.Johns kind of desperation. It was a well done scene and I think shows alot about how we think and what we see as being more morally correct. __________________ May you live in interesting times.

01/26/2013, 12:39 pm	#15
Koi Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 8	The defeated position he sank down in and the way the camera panned just really didn't look like he was about to get back up and fight the horde. To me, he was clearly grieving because he sensed something had happened to Danny and Brenda through the words of Lee (you could straight up tell him they're dead, but even if you pick the other options, his expression shows that he understands what he meant) and that's why he sank to his knees and called out to Lee to "finish" it, as in shoot him. He saw Lee pick up the shotgun; he's not dumb, if he wanted to live he wouldn't taunt an armed man like that, and even if he only said it because he knew Lee wouldn't kill him, he wouldn't have stayed in such a vulnerable position while witnessing the horde of zombies headed in his direction. It's the same argument as whether or not Kenny's dead - no, they did not explicitly show the zombies tearing his insides out, but it doesn't really feel necessary. The overall effect of both Kenny and Andy's last scenes are that they knowingly accepted their deaths, in my opinion. It's much more dramatic and emotional than just showing zombies chewing at their intestines. __________________ hi. http://www.karehn.deviantart.com

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01/26/2013, 09:59 am	#2
zev_zev Clementine's fan Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Russia; Moscow Posts: 499	I always tried to educate Clementine, as I would have educating my own daughter. I tried to teach her that there is nothing more important than a human life, but to kill you need in only cases of extreme necessity. Besides, I gave Andy a chance, he did not used, I understand why, because he lost his entire family, Andy just fell to his knees and began to wait for his death. It was very dramatic.

01/26/2013, 10:08 am	#4
double_u Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Over the Hills and Far Away Posts: 318	When Andy St. John challenged Lee "to fight him like a man" he was basically asking to get killed. He was already badly injured from the initial beating. The whole group was there to back Lee up as well. There was no way he could've beat Lee, and he knew it. It was kinda like a "suicide by cop" scenario. From that scene, I decided that Andy was broken and wanted to die. So, I decided to let the walkers finish him. It was basically two birds with one stone IMHO - walkers still kill Andy while I walk away looking like the better man to my group, especially for Clem. However, if there were no walkers converging on the farm, I would've killed Andy just to be safe and out of retribution. The final scene at the diary farm is a really good scene.

01/26/2013, 10:26 am	#6
zev_zev Clementine's fan Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Russia; Moscow Posts: 499	When Andy said: "Get back and finish this Lee!" If you choose to leave him, do you remember how Lee closed his eyes and shook his head? At this moment Lee as if mentally shouted: "I'm not as like you!" It's awesome

01/26/2013, 10:40 am	#9
Kaserkin Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 284	Why kill them? It's easier to leave Danny to bleed to death in his own trap and leaving Andy to the zombies. There is no need to get blood on my hands.

01/26/2013, 01:09 pm	#20
Village boy Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 5	I think that killing the brothers-cannibals it's akt of mercy, because its better death, then eating alive by walkers.