Molly was the one character where Telltale stumbled

[kevinStark]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

No. Just no. I really don't like Molly. She may be cool and all, but I don't really like her. She is out of place in the story because all the survivors have believable traits and flaws, while she's just a badass zombie-killing chick.

What people do you think survive the longest inside the world like the walking dead?

[Jeenyus]

Its called natural selection, she was living in a city infested with the living dead. If she wasn't able to pull that kind of stuff off(all possible) then she'd be among the walking dead.

Regardless if she was previously involved in parkour or not, you develop skills that are necessary. Especially when your life is on the line. Either you get good at moving around the city and getting out of dodge, or you're dead.

[Kaserkin]

Lee's group and Vernon's make-a-wish invalids survived for over 3 months without being like Molly. She's like the video game version of Michonne, another character I really don't like, along with many of the current comic survivors.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Jeenyus

Its called natural selection, she was living in a city infested with the living dead. If she wasn't able to pull that kind of stuff off(all possible) then she'd be among the walking dead.

Regardless if she was previously involved in parkour or not, you develop skills that are necessary. Especially when your life is on the line. Either you get good at moving around the city and getting out of dodge, or you're dead.

If you have other people looking out for you, you don't need to get good at anything. Look at the girl in the beginning of episode 3. She fumbles around like a buffoon and gets devoured. I think it's highly likely she had a group protecting her and they all fell to the walkers or some other hazard, leaving her to survive on her own(which she failed).

There's also a sort of luck involved, like with Vernon's group. They found a hidden underground base pre-loaded with months worth of supplies, thus they don't need to develop the natural survival skills most others do, hence why they have one gun and can barely use it.

Regardless, Molly is in no way an unbelievable character(potentially barring the mega jump with car battery bit, but still).

[kevinStark]

Molly was all alone. But she didn’t fight the zombies she moved the zombies around town with the church bells, The only time we saw here kill a lot of zombies was inside Crawford and she fails after killing 3 zombies… So how do you people know she’s a killing zombie chick??? She just smarted them out.! Molly = believable!

[Kaserkin]

Lee is a professor convicted of murder that tries to protect a little girl.
Kenny is a family man stuck in situations where he has to make difficult choices.
Ben is a teenager that feels useless in a group of people that don't support him.
They are believable multi-dimensional characters. Molly isn't.

[kevinStark]

Molly was inside the group from Crawford she was at Crawford at the begin of the apocalypse. She had a diabetic 14-year-old sister! along with hundreds of other followers, Later on, the safe sanctuary of Crawford tightened it's security, eliminating any liabilities such as children, the elderly, and the sick. Unfortunately, her sister was stricken with diabetes, thus targeting her for banishment/execution. To retrieve medicine for this disease, Molly made a deal with Crawford's doctor, Walter Ashe, and she committed to having sexual intercourse with him in exchange for medicine. Unfortunately, Oberson began sending an inspector down to take inventory of the medicine, and would've discovered their secret. To hide it, Ashe cut off their deal, frustrating Molly. Before Molly knew it, her sister's symptoms began to show, and Crawford's men captured her and presumably killed her.
Unable to stay at Crawford, she left, beginning the life of a scavenger, scouring houses and cars for supplies. She devised a tactic in which she would ring bells to distract walkers, and would then move to search the cleared areas.

[kevinStark]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Lee is a professor convicted of murder that tries to protect a little girl.
Kenny is a family man stuck in situations where he has to make difficult choices.
Ben is a teenager that feels useless in a group of people that don't support him.
They are believable multi-dimensional characters. Molly isn't.

More we don’t know from her yet. So how do you know she has no other backstory? It looks like she lost everyone she loved, And take care for herself now. Its Believable. Deal with it....

[Kaserkin]

Bla bla bla
More seriously, having to do "favours" to a doctor to get medecine doesn't make you multi-dimensional. Nearly every other character in the game has doubts, fears and breakdowns. That's what makes them "human".

[kevinStark]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Bla bla bla
More seriously, having to do "favours" to a doctor to get medecine doesn't make you multi-dimensional. Nearly every other character in the game has doubts, fears and breakdowns. That's what makes them "human".

Breakdowns she lost her sister, She carries a picture with her from her sister, She has nothing left to care about but survival. She knows what she’s doing she want to join the group of lee but she looked at the fight between Kenny and ben, and she knows it’s possible she gets no spot on the boat. She leaves because it was the best thing to do… And there are strong people inside the real world how don’t show emotions to other people. To look strong but inside are broke an don’t show it right away. Its Human to... And we don’t know molly yet. She was never been part of the group to notice her deal. Just Give up your hate to molly.

[J_Scheff]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

No. Just no. I really don't like Molly. She may be cool and all, but I don't really like her. She is out of place in the story because all the survivors have believable traits and flaws, while she's just a badass zombie-killing chick.

We dont know if she has any big flaws or weaknesses, we were only with her a little while.

And for everyone who says her stunts are unrealistic... One name for you all. Jackie Chan. That guy can run up a flat wall do a back flip, spin three times while punching people on the second floor and kicking another upon landing. Ok so exaggerating a little bit, but really the things she does is not impossible. And you would be surprised what your body can do in a time of crisis...

The disappearing was however a bit odd.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Kaserkin

Lee's group and Vernon's make-a-wish invalids survived for over 3 months without being like Molly. She's like the video game version of Michonne, another character I really don't like, along with many of the current comic survivors.

And, as I and others pointed out, Molly was relatively safe and secure behind the walls of Crawford up until a few days before it fell. Hell, as far as we can tell, Vernon's group actually survived longer outside the walls (apart from the poor folks that probably became part of the barricade by Molly's account) than Molly did... considering the cancer patients evidently lacked the option to trade sexual favors to get favors from Dr. Logan.

The fact that Crawford was pretty much packed with undead is a pretty big clue they didn't spend much time risking their asses outside of camp. Likewise for the fact that the only living residents we see are those who were forced out of the community.

Originally Posted by kevinStark

What people do you think survive the longest inside the world like the walking dead?

As the old saying goes "90% of survival is mental". This has held true pretty much since the dawn of man; being a "badass" doesn't matter anywhere near as much in that regard. For the most part, it's a thinking person's game. Our ancestors didn't survive and climb to the top of the food chain by beating Sabre Toothed Tigers and Mammoths to death with their bare hands.

[onlyamonkey]

Why wouldn't people that can jump and do stuff like that be most probable to survive? have you seen the street jumping stuff people post on youtube?

[Austin Hewitt]

Just pulled this from where I posted it in another thread based on speculation of the protagonist for Season Two, but I believe it's very relevant here:

Well that's just the thing: That's not true. Although Molly seems fairly capable, and acts like she's the toughest one in the room, she is only used to working alone. She doesn't work with anyone else and that is her greatest weakness, no matter how strong of a fighter she is, she is inexperienced when it comes to interaction with other survivors. Which is why I think having her as the playable character of Season Two would be so interesting, dealing with the isolated state of mind she has placed herself in since her sister's death crumbling as she becomes part of a group. She is also largely undefined excluding her backstory, while she has a bit of a fiery personality, her moral outlook is still largely ambiguous and able to be molded to the player's choices. And I think that given what happens in Episode Five with the horde shambling into Savannah, she probably will leave the city and run into Clementine, Christa, and Omid no matter what. And I believe that her previous interaction with them is a much stronger starting point for a second season than having to be someone entirely new with no experience whatsoever with the characters we've come to know and love from the first season. The fact remains, the players know exactly who these people are, they are going to make choices based upon that. Thusly, Molly's relative familiarity with them would greatly add some connectivity to the series and would in my opinion prevent any chance of The Walking Dead: Season Two: Some Random Person Comes Along Spends About Two Episodes Getting To Know The Characters We Already Know And Gets Into Shenanigans With The Group Alongside New Characters That Our New Character Apparently Knows That We As The Player Don't. I really hope she is the protagonist simply because she's a very interesting character with a defined background (much like Lee was at the beginning of the game) and yet still not one person can with much sense of accuracy say what she's going to do. In this, she has a great potential for player input to define who she is and what she will do when faced with the choices and responsibilities of working with a group and caring about more than just survival. I feel as though up until she meets Lee in Episode Four, Molly has been surviving for the sake of survival, for her sister. And when she sees the few glimpses of humanity in the group, and finds her sister's picture/ultimately gets her "revenge" on Crawford, she really is at a loss as to where she is supposed to go and what she is supposed to do. And I believe she leaves because she is afraid to face that humanity that she previously felt was lost in the world, she is scared of hope because she is afraid that she will lose it, and that is a character conflict that would be very powerful if they use her as a protagonist. I'm really hoping for Molly, but if she isn't I won't be too disappointed, because whatever Telltale decides I am sure it will be a story to remember...

BUT PLEASE LET IT BE MOLLY!

Molly was by far my favorite character, and I actually felt more connected to her emotionally than I was to Lee, even for the short time we see her. She acts so strong and cold, but behind that there's a lot more to her, a lot of pain and a lot of confusion.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by onlyamonkey

Why wouldn't people that can jump and do stuff like that be most probable to survive? have you seen the street jumping stuff people post on youtube?

See above to the post above yours. In actual survival situations, running and jumping everywhere like Molly does isn't all that conducive to actually staying alive (and it's hardly necessary given how slowly Walkers move). It's actually detrimental since it expends more energy and fluids (which means needing more food and water) when they need to be conserved. The people that do so just open themselves up to dying from pretty much every other cause: dehydration, starvation, injury/infection resulting from one of their stunts, etc. This is especially true in warmer climates like a desert or say, Georgia.

[Desmodus87]

I keep seeing references to Michonne being an unbelievable character, and I am so surprised. I don't know if it's because she's a woman, black, or American that everyone finds her so unbelievable. Her back story is that she had a neighbor who collected swords. While she was in college she took fencing (and it's hinted pretty heavily that she was good at it). So when shit hit the fan, she got a sword from the neighbor's house and used it because it was natural and easy for her.
Would it be more believable that she could use a sword if she was an Asian transfer student from Japan that just happened to bring swords with her/him just in case?

Having said all that -

I find Molly to be believable enough. I didn't like her, but it was more a personality thing. But the parkour she does, the "disappearing acts" and whatnot - are all entirely believable. ESPECIALLY when you consider she's been surviving more or less on her own most of the ZA in a highly infested city. If she wasn't good at sneaking quietly and pulling herself out of tight situations (quite literally), I'm pretty sure she'd be dead.
I even understand her bailing on the group. She didn't strike me as a family/group sort of person. And that's the main reason I don't think her and Clem will be the main focus of season 2. At least not together as a duo or group.
Molly isn't the mothering type. I think the only reason she would keep Clem around is because Clem would represent the last of her humanity. But I don't think she'd want to change for Clem and I do think that, at her base nature, she'd be inclined to leave Clem behind if it might cause her own death not to.

[anonymau5]

Originally Posted by Desmodus87

I keep seeing references to Michonne being an unbelievable character, and I am so surprised. I don't know if it's because she's a woman, black, or American that everyone finds her so unbelievable. Her back story is that she had a neighbor who collected swords. While she was in college she took fencing (and it's hinted pretty heavily that she was good at it). So when shit hit the fan, she got a sword from the neighbor's house and used it because it was natural and easy for her.
Would it be more believable that she could use a sword if she was an Asian transfer student from Japan that just happened to bring swords with her/him just in case?

1. Fine. She has a neighbor who collects swords. She's still a fucking LAWYER. Maybe if she was an actor, or a fencing teacher it would be fine. However...
2. Fencing doesn't teach you how to use katanas. It teaches you to use rapiers and similar weapons. Generally stabbing weapons, not slashing weapons like katanas.

I personally don't like her because along with the highly improbable skills, she's also a Mary-Sue personality wise. (I haven't read all of the comics, so I'm mostly going off the TV show and what little bits of the comics I've read.)
1. She was nice enough to pick up Andrea in the middle of the forest, but then she was suspicious of the Governor without any provocation and no reason to think that the Governor was evil.
2. She figured out to cut off the arms and jaws of her boyfriend and his best friend, and then later killed them with no remorse.
3. She seduced Tyreese almost instantly. Tyreese gave almost no struggle against her. Which makes no sense considering everything before that.

And also, don't just start randomly calling people racist because they don't agree with you. That's a surefire way of being identified as an asshole.

[Toasty]

Originally Posted by LauriNicole

^I did find it weird how Kenny never manages to lift Lee off the ground yet a girl could easily.

Kenny is a lot older than Molly. Plus, she seems to be able to pull herself up easily using the hook. So I assume with more effort, she could pull up Lee.

[Robbingrobin]

Originally Posted by Toasty

Kenny is a lot older than Molly. Plus, she seems to be able to pull herself up easily using the hook. So I assume with more effort, she could pull up Lee.

+ He was shot in the chest.

[goodguy211]

Well, okay, here's my stand on this. If you're going to survive in a Zombie Apocolypse, you can't be the fat guy who sits in his basement and plays WoW all day. (Probably not, anyway. Maybe you'll fight them off with that golden Lord of The Rings dagger. Who knows.)

But really, the fact that she WAS able to do those things, explains COMPLETELY why she was there, and why she was surviving easily. If you're a cripple, I don't expect you to be alive in this world. I think Molly is actually far more believable, due to the fact that she proves she knows how to survive. Someone like Omid or Christa? How are they doing it? I don't really understand.

Overall, Molly being a badass is why she's alive. So, yeah.