What's with everyone hating on Kenny?

[Maximus123458]

Yeah about that..

1. The problem is, Clem wasn't dragged into this. Kenny rescued Duck. That's fine and all, but he could just put Duck down and help Lee save Shawn. Instead, he ran away. That's a real heroic move. He does look out for his family and that's nice but he had the chance to help save Shawn and he didn't do it!

2. Larry's not such an asshole. He warned you at the end of episode 1 to not hurt "That little girl", meaning Clementine. And again, Clem wasn't involved in anything like that.

3. Okay, with this i agree. I may be against some moves that Kenny did but he's still my bud, i don't hate him entirely. I agreed with the RV idea as it seemed smart. They couldn't survive in the motor inn forever.

4. I strongly disapprove of this. Alright, fine. Larry was an asshole in episode 1, i thought so too. Have you talked to Lily about him in episode 2 though, in the dairy? That changed my opinion about him.

Larry at first seemed like a senseless prick. But, if you look deep into this, you may realize he has good intentions. He doesn't trust you, as you murdered someone in the past. Wouldn't you be just a little bit uncomfortable around a guy who killed a person recently? Because i would.

Larry has lost everyone dear to him, except Lily, his daughter. With that, he became extra protective, hence why he acts so harsh. Larry's afraid because there's a murderer in the group, Lee might harm Lily.

His relationship with Brenda before everything went to hell also suggests that once upon a time, he was a nice guy. His wife is more likely dead now though. That's a traumatic experience that changes a person, and Larry became way too serious. And i can't truly blame him.

Have you ever heard of the definition of a "Jerk with a heart of gold"? His little personality he has can't be liked, but he cares about his daughter and he would do anything to protect her. He doesn't deserve to die because of that.

Not to mention, Larry was still alive. How can i prove this, you may ask? When you try to save him, when you give him CPR, if you click enough times, Larry will start breathing, signified by him opening his mouth. You know..right before it's smashed by a salt lick in front of Clementine's eyes?

A walker is usually recognizable by his rotten skin. David, coming back about..10-20 minutes after he dies, looked like he had just that.

Larry didn't.

See where i'm going here?

Anyway, that was a pretty huge rant so i'm just gonna move on.

5. I was nice to Duck and the information he was bitten, and in every playtrough i did, i chose the best options and holded out on the fact he would turn. Duck was annoying in episode 1 and 2 but i can't bring myself to kill a child, that would just make me look like i truly don't care about anything.


6. Now this is truly a 50/50 kind of thing. Me myself, i despised Ben. He made a deal with the bandits and never even told the group about that problem. Not to mention how he nearly screwed the group over by removing the axe from the door handles. Didn't it look just a little bit like a barricade? See, the game WANTS you to hate him. And with that, i guess i'm gonna follow along with the game's plans when it comes to Ben.

All in all..even though i hated Ben, i couldn't bring myself to drop him in the bell tower. I agreed with Kenny about how he's useless but i can't bring myself to kill a being that wants to mean good. I'm not a monster.

Not to mention, try to save Larry. After that, just because you disagreed with him, he didn't help you twice and he had an attitude from there on. As a zombie apocalypse goes, a reason to turn against Lee like that is just childish and stupid.

Anyway, that's all i got i guess. Feel free to say whatever you want about my post.

[vivec]

Some people dont know that if you refuse to kill larry in meat locker , you may still end up friends with kenny

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by vivec

Some people dont know that if you refuse to kill larry in meat locker , you may still end up friends with kenny

It's sort of a bittersweet friendship, as it will never be the same.

"You've always been there for me. Always had my back. What kinda friend would i be if i wasn't there for you now? You and Clem are my family now. You're all I've got. Bitten or not, I'm with you to the end." -Kenny

Siding against him in the meat i locker i think always causes the scenario in which you must convince him to join you to search for Clem. This shows that he doesn't fully trust you even after everything you've been through, because disagreeing in the meat locker is seen as putting his family in danger(in his eyes).


As for Larry, yes he has good intentions with protecting his daughter and what not, but that's not enough to redeem his actions. He pretty much attempts to murder Lee in the drugstore at the end of episode 1. I can understand being cautious or even hostile to a known murderer, but attempting to commit the same crime with no obvious gain is going too far.

I still would not kill him in the meat locker, though. My assessment of the situation was(and still is) that he was not in fact dead. Ignoring that and basing the decision on just if you like him or not, i would still save him. I think that situation is also a test of the players' own willpower. Will you let your emotions dominate your actions and kill this man just because you hate him? Or can you overcome those emotions, keep control of yourself and do the right thing? Many cannot, and are easily overwhelmed by their hatred for Larry.

Then again, there isn't really a right thing to do, but having another able bodied survivor is in my opinion better in the long run(even if he is a jerk)

It's nice to see Let's plays where people despise Larry and state that they will kill him at the earliest possible opportunity, but then realize that this desire is unfounded and try to save him when the time comes.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Mornai

Then again, there isn't really a right thing to do, but having another able bodied survivor is in my opinion better in the long run(even if he is a jerk)

I think having a major heart condition disqualifies someone as "able-bodied", especially when that person has such piss poor control over their own anger issues they repeatedly work themselves into a heart attack.

Seriously, some people try to talk Larry up as some kind of shrewd survivor who does all this smart long term planning. He's a fucking idiot. He has a bad heart but yells his ass off for no reason, even when his daughter repeatedly points out what a bad idea that was.

He screams bloody murder about Duck being bitten and how if a single walker got inside it would be the end for everyone, then he screams at Carley for killing a walker that had gotten inside. He refuses to consider doing anything that might be considered remotely offensive to the St. Johns, then yells at Lee for not doing enough against the St. Johns.

The man was a certifiable dumb fuck and it was a miracle he survived as long as he did. Fucking Ben of all people outlived him, and he's Ben.

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Mornai

It's nice to see Let's plays where people despise Larry and state that they will kill him at the earliest possible opportunity, but then realize that this desire is unfounded and try to save him when the time comes.

That's exactly what ended happening to me in my first play through. It was chatting with Lilly earlier that made me soften up to Larry because it sounds like the man had a pretty sad life.

Of course, in subsequent games, I sides with Kenny and wished I could bro-fist him knowing helping Lilly won't change anything after episode 3.

[Mornai]

Originally Posted by Jaded X Gamer

I think having a major heart condition disqualifies someone as "able-bodied", especially when that person has such piss poor control over their own anger issues they repeatedly work themselves into a heart attack.

Of course, but he beat that wooden fence real good with that rock in episode 2. Then he further showcased his strength by beating it with the side of the axe if Lee gives it to him. Wiping his brow in the opening scenes of the motor inn prove that this is difficult work that no weak man could be doing.

I don't expect anything from him when it comes to killing walkers, but at the very least he can perform manual labor such as moving furniture to fortify a barricade, so those who are skilled at such things can instead be on watch or something and retain their strength.

[vivec]

Originally Posted by Mornai

It's sort of a bittersweet friendship, as it will never be the same.

"You've always been there for me. Always had my back. What kinda friend would i be if i wasn't there for you now? You and Clem are my family now. You're all I've got. Bitten or not, I'm with you to the end." -Kenny

Siding against him in the meat i locker i think always causes the scenario in which you must convince him to join you to search for Clem. This shows that he doesn't fully trust you even after everything you've been through, because disagreeing in the meat locker is seen as putting his family in danger(in his eyes).


As for Larry, yes he has good intentions with protecting his daughter and what not, but that's not enough to redeem his actions. He pretty much attempts to murder Lee in the drugstore at the end of episode 1. I can understand being cautious or even hostile to a known murderer, but attempting to commit the same crime with no obvious gain is going too far.

I still would not kill him in the meat locker, though. My assessment of the situation was(and still is) that he was not in fact dead. Ignoring that and basing the decision on just if you like him or not, i would still save him. I think that situation is also a test of the players' own willpower. Will you let your emotions dominate your actions and kill this man just because you hate him? Or can you overcome those emotions, keep control of yourself and do the right thing? Many cannot, and are easily overwhelmed by their hatred for Larry.

Then again, there isn't really a right thing to do, but having another able bodied survivor is in my opinion better in the long run(even if he is a jerk)

It's nice to see Let's plays where people despise Larry and state that they will kill him at the earliest possible opportunity, but then realize that this desire is unfounded and try to save him when the time comes.

But if you agree with him on everything else he still may gave you the bro speech.

for example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65mP...jC4HQ&index=24

[Rozzer616]

How is Kenny a coward? Saving Duck was something he just did as his dad but saving Shawn would've made him a hero...not everyone is a hero. Are you guys saying that you wouldn't hesitate to run over and try to save someone you hardly know when there are zombies that could get you too? Also, considering the fact that he hasn't had enough experience to get used to the zombies, he wouldn't have been ready to just jump in and save the day. Lee is a hero, he did something that would've caused a lot of people to hesitate. If it was my best friend, I would jump in to try and save her...but if it was a stranger I'd probably hesitate and not out of being a coward.

Kenny was right to 'kill' Larry after he died; the chance of Larry becoming a walker was too much of a risk to take. Yes, it was harsh, but you will always get someone like that. Kenny is realistic, he does what needs to be done to survive and you can't really hate him for that. For all you know Larry could've become a walker and killed everyone right then.

[BlackBoxx]

Originally Posted by Rozzer616

How is Kenny a coward? Saving Duck was something he just did as his dad but saving Shawn would've made him a hero...not everyone is a hero. Are you guys saying that you wouldn't hesitate to run over and try to save someone you hardly know when there are zombies that could get you too? Also, considering the fact that he hasn't had enough experience to get used to the zombies, he wouldn't have been ready to just jump in and save the day. Lee is a hero, he did something that would've caused a lot of people to hesitate. If it was my best friend, I would jump in to try and save her...but if it was a stranger I'd probably hesitate and not out of being a coward.

Kenny was right to 'kill' Larry after he died; the chance of Larry becoming a walker was too much of a risk to take. Yes, it was harsh, but you will always get someone like that. Kenny is realistic, he does what needs to be done to survive and you can't really hate him for that. For all you know Larry could've become a walker and killed everyone right then.

He did behave cowardly. When someone is in danger and you have the ability to help yet you run away, that is cowardice. Knowing the person or not has nothing to do with it. The worst part is that he looked right at you yelling to help move the tractor, and just ran off. He knew it was wrong and he still did it. I don't blame him, of course, but I don't excuse him for it either. Heat of the moment can do that to people. He made his choice, so he has to live with it.

As far as Larry is concerned, Kenny was just being impatient and self-centered. Yeah, his family was being held hostage, but they were in no immediate danger. Kenny even came to that conclusion on his own. Why did he rush the Larry situation? There are signs of turning that would let him know when it's too late to save someone.

I like Kenny for the most part, but damn, he can be a pain. You try to do the right thing and he accuses you of being useless and getting people killed. Even after the fact, Lee doesn't justify his actions or try to convince Kenny that he made a hasty choice.

Then, there's his "you may not have been keeping score, but I have" bit. One time you don't side with him, and you practically have to beg him to help save a little girl that has done nothing to harm him or his family. He places you not agreeing with him once over the safety of another human being (whom he even admits he cares for). Friends don't keep tallies of things like that. They certainly don't stand back and watch as zombies crush you with a door.

Being allowed to tell him to go f*** himself was somewhat satisfying, but the first time I heard him give me that christian man speech, I wanted to tell him to f*** off. As in go away. As in I no longer want to see you ever again, you ungrateful prick. No one will have your back with that attitude. When I get back to this house, you had better not be here, or I will treat you no different than any other self-serving bandit. Take your boat and go drown yourself. Hope we get options like that for season 2, kicking people out of your group as opposed to saving one over another.

[Rozzer616]

Originally Posted by BlackBoxx

He did behave cowardly. When someone is in danger and you have the ability to help yet you run away, that is cowardice. Knowing the person or not has nothing to do with it. The worst part is that he looked right at you yelling to help move the tractor, and just ran off. He knew it was wrong and he still did it. I don't blame him, of course, but I don't excuse him for it either. Heat of the moment can do that to people. He made his choice, so he has to live with it.

As far as Larry is concerned, Kenny was just being impatient and self-centered. Yeah, his family was being held hostage, but they were in no immediate danger. Kenny even came to that conclusion on his own. Why did he rush the Larry situation? There are signs of turning that would let him know when it's too late to save someone.

I like Kenny for the most part, but damn, he can be a pain. You try to do the right thing and he accuses you of being useless and getting people killed. Even after the fact, Lee doesn't justify his actions or try to convince Kenny that he made a hasty choice.

Then, there's his "you may not have been keeping score, but I have" bit. One time you don't side with him, and you practically have to beg him to help save a little girl that has done nothing to harm him or his family. He places you not agreeing with him once over the safety of another human being (whom he even admits he cares for). Friends don't keep tallies of things like that. They certainly don't stand back and watch as zombies crush you with a door.

Being allowed to tell him to go f*** himself was somewhat satisfying, but the first time I heard him give me that christian man speech, I wanted to tell him to f*** off. As in go away. As in I no longer want to see you ever again, you ungrateful prick. No one will have your back with that attitude. When I get back to this house, you had better not be here, or I will treat you no different than any other self-serving bandit. Take your boat and go drown yourself. Hope we get options like that for season 2, kicking people out of your group as opposed to saving one over another.

Seriously? Ok then, everyone who doesn't help you is a coward. Lilly is a coward for not helping with the zombie teacher, Doug is a coward for being scared of zombies, Clem is a coward for not helping with the Carley and Doug saving scene. Come on, you can't expect everyone to just jump in and save lives. Kenny is always the one made out to be the worst just 'cause of that one scene in the meat locker. Kenny feels bad about Shawn because, looking back on it, he knew he could've tried to help (not that he was a coward). Not everyone can put their own life at risk to save a stranger, especially when they're needed to protect their own family (and no, that isn't being selfish).

And with Larry, they wouldn't have known how long it would take him to turn and the only experience they had with someone turning was the teacher...and he changed pretty quickly. Going by that experience, Kenny could be thinking that Larry would become a zombie in about a minute and he would've caused more trouble than the teacher had.

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Rozzer616

Kenny is always the one made out to be the worst just 'cause of that one scene in the meat locker.

I don't think people are peeved at Kenny because of just the meat locker per se. Some people are annoyed at Kenny because if you don't side with him at the meat locker, he won't help you with Clementine even if Lee has sided with Kenny on some other issues. It's Kenny refusing to help Clementine to get back at Lee for not siding with him that makes him selfish. The whole Clementine thing in episode 4/5 was probably the worst point when you also factor in other stuff like Kenny not helping Lee when the pharmacy door fell on him.

If Kenny had helped in those situations despite Lee refusing to participate in salt licking Larry, then I suspect a lot of players would probably not be so focused on the meat locker.

As for the meat locker scene itself, Kenny knew what he was doing was morally dubious, which was why he wanted Lee to back him up.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by The Fallen

He was fundamentally a good guy, but way too fickle. After everything we'd been through together for him to turn around and go " i am a christian man, but you haven't had my back" was massively prickish when I was bitted and needed his help to save clem. I managed to convince him, but it was still a big "WTF Ken" moment.

My decisions with Kenny were

1. Tried to save Shawn
2. Defended Kenny from Hershel's accusations/ told him shawns death wasn't his fault
3. "we reason with him"
4. Fed him and Duck (along with Clem and Carley)
5. Was on the fence with him and Lilly's arguing, leaning towards Kenny
6. Helped him deal with Larry
7. Told him i was a killer
8. Thought he should be the one to shoot Duck.
9. Comforted him and showed compassion over Duck & Kat
10. Killed to boy in the attic myself
11. Dropped Ben with his consent.

So its not like i was an arsehole towards him, the majority of those are pro Kenny and most of those that aren't were in episode 1, at the end of which i got the "especially a good friend" line.

The only one i'm not sure about was killing Duck, does he like you more or less if you do it? I just thought it should be Ducks family to do it. Maybe thats where i damaged our relationship.

The reasons for his dickishness to you is #'s 1,3, and 5. The game doesn't let you 'sit on the fence' because just like in real life, you have to stand up for what you think is right, and sometimes you have to stand with your friends even if you know they are wrong or not thinking clearly. True, number 1 wasn't completely your fault, he was there watching before he stepped in, and ended up allowing Shawn to die, but think if it was Clem. That a guy you barely knew but had started to warm up to you tried to save an adult over a kid would piss you off alone, not aside it being 'family'. So Kenny was right in his own way to say that. I dislike how you killed Ben, for although I agree he was stupid and caused many problems, he trusted you and looked up to you, and in the end was trying to do the right things, but his good intentions fucked everything else up. After seeing what Crawford was like and how they had become, I couldn't drop Ben, for that reason, trying to be moral, and the fact that throughout the game I picked up the 'don't ever give up on someone or something' message, as I'd think when people would be bitten or lost/misplaced.

In my opinion, Kenny was one of my favorite characters, #4 overall, with the others going up were Carley, Clem, and Lee(You). He was a family man and strong-willed, and stubborn to a fault. Had great pride and 'tried' to the right thing. He was IMO one of the strongest all-around characters, one of the leaders and main influences. He could also kick some arse to the zombies and people. I sometimes disagreed with his choices/actions, but my Lee and him were best friends. I made a couple minor choices against Kenny, but only towards him, not his family. Up until episode 4 I was always on his side/right-hand man. I think his reactions and thoughts towards things were reasonable as a whole, although it did piss me off occasionally, like wondering if he should really come with me after all I'd done for him. Kenny actually fit the portrayal of many people during a zombie apocalypse; Me and my family first, friends second, and others are just there for the ride. On my side? Eh, sure I'll help. No? Fuck you, I'm not taking the risk. I hope Kenny could be ALIVE in season 2, although hearing an interview from Kenny's voice actor worries me as to telling of Telltale's first script of the game was to bluntly show Kenny dying, but rewrote it to be more subtle and uncertain. Just gotta hope

[Mark$man]

And if you CPR Larry, an interview with one of the Walking Dead people revealed he was alive, and if you look closely to Larry, you see him starting to breathe before the salt lick crushed his head in. He would have survived. Not that I blame Ken. I refuse to lol xD

[vivec]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

And if you CPR Larry, an interview with one of the Walking Dead people revealed he was alive, and if you look closely to Larry, you see him starting to breathe before the salt lick crushed his head in. He would have survived. Not that I blame Ken. I refuse to lol xD

He turned at that moment.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

And if you CPR Larry, an interview with one of the Walking Dead people revealed he was alive, and if you look closely to Larry, you see him starting to breathe before the salt lick crushed his head in. He would have survived. Not that I blame Ken. I refuse to lol xD

Larry was still royally fucked though. You don't just wake up for a massive coronary and go about your business, it fucks you up for a good while. He needed pills to survive his last heart attack and that one wasn't nearly as severe as the one in the meat locker where he lost consciousness and stopped breathing.

Even if Kenny hadn't busted his head and CPR did revive him he'd be in critical condition and in need of major medical attention the group couldn't provide. Combined with the resulting walker attack after the St. Johns are beaten and I doubt everyone could carry his 300lb ass fast enough away from the hordes of the undead.

Not that I was actually thinking about any of this the first time I played the game. I actually tried to save him the first time. But in retrospect Larry was screwed.

[Mark$man]

No he didn't turn. You don't turn THAT fast.

[Mark$man]

And it was confirmed he was alive. But I agree with Jaded he was screwed lol

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

No he didn't turn. You don't turn THAT fast.

There's no set time on turning. Some people take just a few minutes while others could take hours. Mr. Parker turned within a matter of minutes after dying on the truck. Considering we have no idea when Larry was clinically dead (if so) when Lilly started chest compressions, it is still possible for Larry to turn in the time frame Kenny smashed his head in.

[double_u]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

And it was confirmed he was alive. But I agree with Jaded he was screwed lol

I thought TTG only confirmed there was movement, which could indicate he was alive or that he turned.

[GREYxDUZxKRUSH]

Larry gasps for air then SPLAT