What's with everyone hating on Kenny?

[The Fallen]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

The reasons for his dickishness to you is #'s 1,3, and 5. The game doesn't let you 'sit on the fence' because just like in real life, you have to stand up for what you think is right, and sometimes you have to stand with your friends even if you know they are wrong or not thinking clearly. True, number 1 wasn't completely your fault, he was there watching before he stepped in, and ended up allowing Shawn to die, but think if it was Clem. That a guy you barely knew but had started to warm up to you tried to save an adult over a kid would piss you off alone, not aside it being 'family'. So Kenny was right in his own way to say that. I dislike how you killed Ben, for although I agree he was stupid and caused many problems, he trusted you and looked up to you, and in the end was trying to do the right things, but his good intentions fucked everything else up. After seeing what Crawford was like and how they had become, I couldn't drop Ben, for that reason, trying to be moral, and the fact that throughout the game I picked up the 'don't ever give up on someone or something' message, as I'd think when people would be bitten or lost/misplaced.

Cant be the only reason, since he liked me at the end of episode 2 ("there is a place in the RV for you after all"), after all three of those had happened, but was only neutral by the end, im thinking i probably needed to shoot duck myself, He was only a dick to me that one time, but it was a pretty major moment, when i was dying. I would love to know what the actual calculation is for whether he immediately volunteers or not.

I can understand why he'd dislike me over the Shawn thing, reasonably, but its a little disappointing that even after everything else we'd been through he'd still hold that sole incident on the first day against me. I surely cared for his family enough after that point to redeem myself? In terms of my sitting on the fence well i tended to want to solve problems diplomatically, i was always on Kenny's side, just taking a different approach to the problem. Take the "reason with him" option, that was not me backing Larry up, that was me wanting to talk him out of it, there was no way in hell i was ever letting Duck get thrown out and the conversation with him and Lilly were only minor and i just gave honest views on things, he was never angry at me over them.

Ben... Well i just hated the cowardice, and the fact he didn't really improve at all. I can live with the mistakes, but IMO he lets people die when he could have done something twice just because he was scared. I mean i know that Kenny does it once with Shawn but he is then plagued by guilt and i got the sense that he works very hard to make up for it. When Ben made the deal with the bandits and figured out they didn't actually have his friend there was ample opportunity to talk to someone about it, such as Lee if he really looked up to him, and it all could have been dealt with, even as late as the argument on the roadside, when that Lilly and Carley argument is clearly turning ugly he is the one with the magic words to end it. He doesn't say them and Carley dies, later on despite being clearly feeling guilty over what happened, his next major action is to run and leave a 9 year old girl to the walkers, ultimately Chuck dies. The guy was just never even close, does he actually kill a single walker? I rarely gave up on people, but with him and with Lilly i did, he wasn't worth more people dying.

Originally Posted by Mark$man

In my opinion, Kenny was one of my favorite characters, #4 overall, with the others going up were Carley, Clem, and Lee(You). He was a family man and strong-willed, and stubborn to a fault. Had great pride and 'tried' to the right thing. He was IMO one of the strongest all-around characters, one of the leaders and main influences. He could also kick some arse to the zombies and people. I sometimes disagreed with his choices/actions, but my Lee and him were best friends. I made a couple minor choices against Kenny, but only towards him, not his family. Up until episode 4 I was always on his side/right-hand man. I think his reactions and thoughts towards things were reasonable as a whole, although it did piss me off occasionally, like wondering if he should really come with me after all I'd done for him. Kenny actually fit the portrayal of many people during a zombie apocalypse; Me and my family first, friends second, and others are just there for the ride. On my side? Eh, sure I'll help. No? Fuck you, I'm not taking the risk. I hope Kenny could be ALIVE in season 2, although hearing an interview from Kenny's voice actor worries me as to telling of Telltale's first script of the game was to bluntly show Kenny dying, but rewrote it to be more subtle and uncertain. Just gotta hope

I actually have exactly the same ranking as you do it seems, Clem, Lee, Carley and Kenny were my favourites. I dont hate Kenny for that at all, but its the difference between him and the other close friend you can have as Lee in Carley. I thought very highly of them both, but she was the only one to consistently reciprocate. He needed to take a step back and realise just how much i had done for him, which it felt like he had done to some extent by the time of his death and when he eventually agreed to come with me.

It would be nice for him to live, though the dialogue i got from the version with Christa ("I'll be...OK...argg...get off me..". or something like that) didn't sound too good and it would be weird meeting him as a stranger again.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by The Fallen

Cant be the only reason, since he liked me at the end of episode 2 ("there is a place in the RV for you after all"), after all three of those had happened, but was only neutral by the end, im thinking i probably needed to shoot duck myself, He was only a dick to me that one time, but it was a pretty major moment, when i was dying. I would love to know what the actual calculation is for whether he immediately volunteers or not.

I can understand why he'd dislike me over the Shawn thing, reasonably, but its a little disappointing that even after everything else we'd been through he'd still hold that sole incident on the first day against me. I surely cared for his family enough after that point to redeem myself? In terms of my sitting on the fence well i tended to want to solve problems diplomatically, i was always on Kenny's side, just taking a different approach to the problem. Take the "reason with him" option, that was not me backing Larry up, that was me wanting to talk him out of it, there was no way in hell i was ever letting Duck get thrown out and the conversation with him and Lilly were only minor and i just gave honest views on things, he was never angry at me over them.

Ben... Well i just hated the cowardice, and the fact he didn't really improve at all. I can live with the mistakes, but IMO he lets people die when he could have done something twice just because he was scared. I mean i know that Kenny does it once with Shawn but he is then plagued by guilt and i got the sense that he works very hard to make up for it. When Ben made the deal with the bandits and figured out they didn't actually have his friend there was ample opportunity to talk to someone about it, such as Lee if he really looked up to him, and it all could have been dealt with, even as late as the argument on the roadside, when that Lilly and Carley argument is clearly turning ugly he is the one with the magic words to end it. He doesn't say them and Carley dies, later on despite being clearly feeling guilty over what happened, his next major action is to run and leave a 9 year old girl to the walkers, ultimately Chuck dies. The guy was just never even close, does he actually kill a single walker? I rarely gave up on people, but with him and with Lilly i did, he wasn't worth more people dying.

I actually have exactly the same ranking as you do it seems, Clem, Lee, Carley and Kenny were my favourites. I dont hate Kenny for that at all, but its the difference between him and the other close friend you can have as Lee in Carley. I thought very highly of them both, but she was the only one to consistently reciprocate. He needed to take a step back and realise just how much i had done for him, which it felt like he had done to some extent by the time of his death and when he eventually agreed to come with me.

It would be nice for him to live, though the dialogue i got from the version with Christa ("I'll be...OK...argg...get off me..". or something like that) didn't sound too good and it would be weird meeting him as a stranger again.

Tbh, it doesn't take much for Kenny to side against you. There are a few where he will side against you immediately in ep 4: The meatlocker decision and the talking down of his boat plan at the house. And I know what you mean. I liked Kenny alot, and he was like my Lee's bro, but he was still a dick at times, being kinda selfish. But mostly I don't blame his actions. Also, Mark and Doug become good friends with Lee. You could say Mark and Lee weren't together long, but they were with each other in the 3 month spread.

And just because Kenny wants you to go on the boat with him, it doesn't mean he is willing to risk his life, for unless you help him pretty much every time, unless you say " Clementine is the only family I have left" you won't get him with you.

Those sounds you heard mean't struggle, not pain. He could be fine. He was in a building, meaning other rooms, exits, doors, stairways, windows, possibly an elevator.

Carley was only more favorite to me because they were just starting to become a couple, and they trusted each other.

As for the Duck situation, you could shoot Duck yourself, and the good thing to do would either be to let him shoot duck, or shoot Fidel in the attic. Kenny will hold you against siding with Larry, because trying to reason with him counts as siding with Larry (idk why or know if they fixed it). Also, Kenny sees it that he depended on you as a friend to side with him on situations. It won't affect his decision much, but it adds up.

[Mark$man]

And I liked Ben. TWD made you want to hate Ben, but all his actions were justified. I didn't like some of his choices, and when I found out he was the reason for all of Ep 3's deaths I was really pissed, I still didn't kill him. I even tried my best to save him in ep 5 ( and even now am clueless as to why Lee and Kenny didn't carry him behind the gate. I mean, they act like the rim and Ben was THAT heavy. They would have had the time to save him, and considering he would die, could have saved him without Kenny's sacrifice).

[The Fallen]

I think actually debating the finer points of every sound is pretty pointless, at the end of the day it is fiction and whether he lives or dies will be the writers decision. You're right that they have a plausible way to bring him back in one piece if they see fit.

Mark and Doug were good guys, neither lived long enough in my playthrough though, ( i admit i sometimes make the mistake of seeing what happened in my first playthrough as "what really happened", others would have gotten to know Doug and some were closer to Lilly than Kenny). It was Kenny and Carley for me at least (with Clem as family ofc)

In terms of the him wanting you to come with him, well he was going to go on his own and leave everyone, but changed his mind, was for me a sign that he considered me a good friend as late on as that (having also said that to me at the end of episode 1) , while me not being there for him was initial reason for not coming with me which leads me to think i upset him somehow after that. Doesn't really matter though. He came around.

As for Bens death with Kenny, the man was impaled, i reckon moving him would have finished him off even you moved the rim with him, while the only doctor they knew had recently betrayed them and left, he was screwed. Kenny just made sure he wouldn't get eaten alive, it was the only thing they could do, As for why Kenny did it, in his own words it was "i either save that boy or i see her again", if he had just shot him from the gate or dragged him away he would have got neither of those things.

[BlackBoxx]

Originally Posted by Rozzer616

Seriously? Ok then, everyone who doesn't help you is a coward. Lilly is a coward for not helping with the zombie teacher, Doug is a coward for being scared of zombies, Clem is a coward for not helping with the Carley and Doug saving scene. Come on, you can't expect everyone to just jump in and save lives. Kenny is always the one made out to be the worst just 'cause of that one scene in the meat locker. Kenny feels bad about Shawn because, looking back on it, he knew he could've tried to help (not that he was a coward). Not everyone can put their own life at risk to save a stranger, especially when they're needed to protect their own family (and no, that isn't being selfish).

And with Larry, they wouldn't have known how long it would take him to turn and the only experience they had with someone turning was the teacher...and he changed pretty quickly. Going by that experience, Kenny could be thinking that Larry would become a zombie in about a minute and he would've caused more trouble than the teacher had.

Lilly was on top of the RV, there were plenty of others trying to help in a small area. She couldn't help. She would just get in the way. If somehow she was able to and did not, then yes, she would be (that or spiteful).

Doug is not a coward for being scared of zombies. Cowardice is letting fear get the better of you, not being unafraid. Did you forget that he still acts even when he's scared. It potentially costs him his life at the pharmacy. Still, he takes action to help. Not a coward.

Clem is not a coward. She's definitely afraid, but she doesn't let it paralyze her. She manages to find the walking stick to brace the door. As for Carley and Doug, what was she going to do? Pull Doug away from multiple zombies trying to yank him out a window? She can't even shake a single zombie off herself. Get Carley's bullets? She isn't tall enough to see where the purse is. She could fumble around until she finds it, then pull it down so she can find the bullets, but by then, Carley is dead. Heck, Lee barely manages to get the bullets in time when he simply reaches in and grabs them. Clem is unable to help, so she gets no blame for it.

Kenny was right there, and had nothing to stop him from helping. To just walk away is cowardly. Period. Stranger or not, Shawn was actively helping Kenny by reinforcing that fence, and got injured thanks to Duck. Kenny had a moral obligation to help the man, but he ran away.

The hate for Kenny is due to a lot of factors. The meat locker event is just the go-to in explaining why. There's a whole lot of other reasons to hate him. For the record, I don't, but I can see why others do. The attitude he gives when you dare to disagree with him on any issue is just irritating. Try to remain neutral and he says you have to pick a side. You side against him, and he takes it personally. Unless you agree with him 100%, he will use it as an excuse to be an ass to you and leave you for dead. That's a very hateable quality right there, regardless of how well you can empathize.

[CarScar]

Uh, no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Kenny would leave Clem, a little girl, to die over a personal grudge with Lee...? That is the most despicable thing he has ever done.

[Yertos]

Originally Posted by CarScar

Uh, no one seems to be mentioning the fact that Kenny would leave Clem, a little girl, to die over a personal grudge with Lee...? That is the most despicable thing he has ever done.

Exactly. Most of his other flaws I can forgive but this is the worst. switch positions with Lilly and no matter how much she might hate you, she wouldn't leave Clem because of it, hell maybe even Larry would still come.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Yertos

Exactly. Most of his other flaws I can forgive but this is the worst. switch positions with Lilly and no matter how much she might hate you, she wouldn't leave Clem because of it, hell maybe even Larry would still come.

Bullshit. Lilly fucking leaves you, Clem and everyone to rot when she steals the R.V. Even if you've agreed with her on everything, been nothing but nice to her, agree to come with her, she high tails it the hell out of there the second Lee steps out to retrieve Clementine. The bitch didn't give two shits about Clementine or anyone really.

Hell, if the positions were switched and you tried the family card on Lilly, she probably just list every single minor offense you ever made to her oh so lovable jackass of a father who tried to murder you. "You didn't give my father your axe that one time, just because he wanted to kill you that once!"

I've got a lot of issues with Kenny, but don't go pretending Lilly would have stepped up. She'd more likely run off with Veron's group than help you find Clementine. Just like how she stole Kenny's RV after months of bitching about what a terrible idea it was.

[Rock114]

I find it hard to believe that Lilly or Larry would come without question, seeing as they were going to leave Clem to die in Episode 1 along with 4 other people. The only lives that matter to the two of them are their own. That being said, Kenny is no better if you don't take his side. The difference in my mind, is that only days after the walkers appeared Lilly and Larry were already leaving children to die in the streets, while Kenny simply panicked when Shawn was attacked. That was fear, not cold-hearted survival instincts. He even redeems himself for that at the end of the episode after saving Lee no matter what he thinks of him.

Maybe the reason I put up with Kenny and consider him a friend is because he was a good guy in the beginning, and just started going downhill while the group was going through an extremely fucked up situation. His wife and kid dying, and him blaming it all on himself just made matters worse. Even when Ben reveals that it was him, finding out that the person who got your family killed had been lying to your face about it, and possibly your best friend if Lee had always taken his side, would break any normal person. In the end, he redeems himself again by trying to save Ben or actually saving Christa. He finally comes around, and does some good.

Even though I see it like that, I'd probably hate him if he left me to die a couple times too. And even though I'm his bro, I still hate it whenever he interacts with Christa and Omid because he treats them like crap for no real reason on their part. Chuck and Molly too, who were just trying to help the group.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Rock114

I find it hard to believe that Lilly or Larry would come without question, seeing as they were going to leave Clem to die in Episode 1 along with 4 other people. The only lives that matter to the two of them are their own. That being said, Kenny is no better if you don't take his side. The difference in my mind, is that only days after the walkers appeared Lilly and Larry were already leaving children to die in the streets, while Kenny simply panicked when Shawn was attacked. That was fear, not cold-hearted survival instincts. He even redeems himself for that at the end of the episode after saving Lee no matter what he thinks of him.

Maybe the reason I put up with Kenny and consider him a friend is because he was a good guy in the beginning, and just started going downhill while the group was going through an extremely fucked up situation. His wife and kid dying, and him blaming it all on himself just made matters worse. Even when Ben reveals that it was him, finding out that the person who got your family killed had been lying to your face about it, and possibly your best friend if Lee had always taken his side, would break any normal person. In the end, he redeems himself again by trying to save Ben or actually saving Christa. He finally comes around, and does some good.

Even though I see it like that, I'd probably hate him if he left me to die a couple times too. And even though I'm his bro, I still hate it whenever he interacts with Christa and Omid because he treats them like crap for no real reason on their part. Chuck and Molly too, who were just trying to help the group.

Yeah, Kenny was basically a good guy ground down into being an asshole by how shitty the world was. Lilly and Larry were simply assholes period. They're both for abandoning people at every turn unless they can get something out of them and usually refuse to ever put themselves in harm's way.

Kenny starts fairly noble. He panics at Hershel's farms but he doesn't make excuses for it, admits it was his fault and it sticks with them even after his moral downside. After Larry wanted to kill his son for what turned out to be nothing, he immediately assures Lilly they'll get Larry's pills. And after Larry tries to murder Lee, Kenny comes back for him, even if Lee's been nothing but an asshole to him in episode one.

Even later when he starts acting like a prick I don't think it quite measures up to Lilly and Larry. With Danny St. John he freezes up and doesn't help, but looks ashamed afterwards and was about to apologize before he hears Kat. Lilly on the other hand is safe and sound at the barn with a rifle and just sits there while Clementine looks on in terror as Andy is about to murder Lee. Kenny refuses to put his neck on the line to help Lee up at the pharmacy but does wait around to see if Lee gets up and covers you on the way out, Larry leaves you to die there regardless of what you do. Even if you didn't tell Kenny about your past, and have been a colossal prick to him, Kenny let's you back on the R.V. Lilly, no matter how good you treat her, abandons you.

And Kenny keeps taking chances and is willing to bring people along if they can keep up and aren't a post confession Ben. And in Episode 5 Kenny finally seems to get his shit together and starts realizing how big a dick he's been, especially if Ben tells him off. Lilly probably would have just shot everyone then complained about how them being dead was inconsiderate for making her do all the work.

[Yertos]

Originally Posted by Jaded X Gamer

Bullshit. Lilly fucking leaves you, Clem and everyone to rot when she steals the R.V. Even if you've agreed with her on everything, been nothing but nice to her, agree to come with her, she high tails it the hell out of there the second Lee steps out to retrieve Clementine. The bitch didn't give two shits about Clementine or anyone really.

This is if she was still with you up till EP4's end. At the time she let her emotions get the best of her and either directly, or indirectly got another member killed. She knows right after it happens that its not gonna end well for her. If she stays with the group after, she is either going to be killed for what she did, or exiled with nothing and no hope of survival. I don't blame her for stealing the RV because honestly if I was put in the exact same situation I'd take my chances with the RV then hope the others let me live. Douche move? sure, but when pushed to the limit I bet almost everyone would place themselves above random people.

Kinda off-topic but I think Lilly gets more hate then she deserves.

[CarScar]

Originally Posted by Yertos

Kinda off-topic but I think Lilly gets more hate then she deserves.

She killed Carley... So I disagree.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Rock114

I find it hard to believe that Lilly or Larry would come without question, seeing as they were going to leave Clem to die in Episode 1 along with 4 other people. The only lives that matter to the two of them are their own. That being said, Kenny is no better if you don't take his side. The difference in my mind, is that only days after the walkers appeared Lilly and Larry were already leaving children to die in the streets, while Kenny simply panicked when Shawn was attacked. That was fear, not cold-hearted survival instincts. He even redeems himself for that at the end of the episode after saving Lee no matter what he thinks of him.

Just to point out, but from what Katjaa says at Hershel's farm, Kenny was just as cold-hearted as Larry/Lilly at the start of things, possibly moreso - something to the effect of "We drove by so many people who needed help, over some".

In Ep. 2, Kenny's also the guy who advocates taking the Dairy by force, at a time when the St. Johns were still apparently friendly to the group... something that even Larry balks at (even if he was wrong in his assessment of the St. Johns as "good people").

[Mark$man]

Well, we all have our opinion of Kenny. I think he would straighten out if he gets to be in season 2

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Yertos

This is if she was still with you up till EP4's end. At the time she let her emotions get the best of her and either directly, or indirectly got another member killed. She knows right after it happens that its not gonna end well for her. If she stays with the group after, she is either going to be killed for what she did, or exiled with nothing and no hope of survival. I don't blame her for stealing the RV because honestly if I was put in the exact same situation I'd take my chances with the RV then hope the others let me live. Douche move? sure, but when pushed to the limit I bet almost everyone would place themselves above random people.

Kinda off-topic but I think Lilly gets more hate then she deserves.

Random people? That's what Lee, Clem, Carley/Doug, Kenny, Kat and Duck were to her? The people who have been taking risks, fetching supplies, putting their lives on the line for months at a time and helping to keep her safe? Just a bunch of random people? Just tools for her to use? The only reason there even was an R.V. to take is because Kenny had the common sense to fix it. If he had listened to Lilly they'd have none and everyone probably would have died during the bandit attack.

Tell me, do you think Vernon gets more hate than he deserves? Because compared to Lilly he was a god damn saint. He helps Omid, get's you into Crawford to get the things Kenny needs to fix the boat and loses one of his own people in the process. Then he steals a boat that he was partially responsible for repairing to save the people he was taking care of for months over the lives of people he's known for less than twenty-four hours.

And the reason for that being his people knew the approaching hoard would make staying in Savannah impossible, so they did a shitty thing to save their own skins when a looming threat (the hoard) presented itself. And even then, depending on who stays with the boat, it's suggested he does at least feel guilty about. Either with his note saying he was sorry or Ben telling everyone how pissed he was the group lost Clementine, probably because he wanted to take her with him.

Vernon didn't pull a gun and shoot someone in a paranoid fit of petty rage (all though Brie wanted him to do that), complain about how him murdering someone in cold blood is causing other people to treat him like shit, then steal a vehicle he spent months bitching about as a waste of time to save just himself and no one else. He didn't sit on his ass when the group needed supplies either, he went right into the fire and brought another one of his people with him.

Fuck, Ben has more courage than Lilly. Ben, like Lilly, is blamed for people's deaths, ironically including whoever Lilly murdered. Ben, unlike Lilly, isn't a goddamn sociopath. Ben feels horrid guilt over the things he's done, unlike Lilly who complains about being detained for committing murder. Ben owns up to what he does (at the WORST possible time though) and accepts the consequences, going as far as to ask Lee to let him die for what he's done.

You think Lilly gets more hate than she deserves? That's fine, that's your opinion. In my opinion she was a worthless irredeemable cunt who liked bossing people around because it meant she could keep her bony chickenshit ass parked somewhere safe while other people died for her safety. Different strokes for different folks.

But you're fucking crazy if you think she would have gone with Lee to get Clementine. She thinks Ben dealing with the bandits is the same as cutting your throat while you sleep? How would you think Lilly would react when she found out Clementine had been secretly dealing with a stranger over the radio? Fuck, I felt kinda betrayed when I found that out and I loved Clementine.

You really think queen bitch, who up and left Clem and Lee after lying about taking them along, is going to risk her life to get Clementine back? The same girl she yelled at Carley for saving back in Macon? After Clementine went behind the group's back to chase a pipe dream a weirdo over a radio was offering her? When there's a fully working escape vehicle sitting right there? I take it back, Lilly wouldn't have gone with Vernon's group if she was in that situation, she would have stolen the boat before Vernon's people ever even got there.

My biggest regret on my first play through was letting her back in the R.V. I figured she deserved a second chance because Lee got a second chance after killing someone in an emotional state and he went on to do a lot of good for a lot of people. Lilly's given a second chance and she immediately back stabs everyone the very first moment she gets, after shooting one of them in the back of the head a little earlier. All because she was afraid of what? Exile? Isn't that exactly what Lee prevented if you choose to not leave her on the side of the road?

Fuck the bitch. Now that she's an "original character" I hope she pops up in season two and we're given the opportunity to finish what we started in season one and finally putting her out of everyone's misery.

[Yertos]

That's one large Lilly hate rant you got there lol.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by Yertos

That's one large Lilly hate rant you got there lol.

It's got longer every time I replay the game. I used to actually feel sorry for her originally.

[aerial-ballet]

Wow, that rant is full of potential sig quotes! Do you mind, JXG?

Anyway, I also felt bad for her on the first playthrough. I even tried to save her dad and everything.

Then after I realized what a cold bitch she was, I pretty much treated her like shit in the second playthrough. And not a single fuck was given.

Plus she never called me 'pal' like Kenny did, so fuck her.

[Jaded X Gamer]

Originally Posted by aerial-ballet

Wow, that rant is full of potential sig quotes! Do you mind, JXG?

Anyway, I also felt bad for her on the first playthrough. I even tried to save her dad and everything.

Then after I realized what a cold bitch she was, I pretty much treated her like shit in the second playthrough. And not a single fuck was given.

Plus she never called me 'pal' like Kenny did, so fuck her.

By all means, go head.

And yeah, another difference between Lilly and Kenny is how they act when you side with them. You side with Kenny and he acts like you're best buds forever (until you disagree with him). You side with Lilly and she seems content that you're doing what she wants you to do. At their best, Kenny treats you like a good friend, Lilly treats you like a useful subordinate.

[Mark$man]

I agree, Lilly was quite the bitch. I tried to be reasonable with both sides (Kenny and Lilly) up until the meatlocker. However, after saving her father once and seeing what a cunt she was the next two playthroughs I left her ass on the side of the road, killed her father just to be a dick, and just plain despised her because she would hate me no matter what. And yeah, if she comes back in season 2 because now there is no barrier keeping her out of the game, I'm definitely going to use a new PC to teach her something, cause she deserves it.