Am I the only person who wouldn't "keep moving"? (Some spoilers)

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

First, Molly tells us that Walkers will move back into an area when she lures them away with bells, so they'll move on their own. Further, walkers are dumb enough to be lured by damn near anything, they could've left the farm the instant they saw lightning on the horizon. Hell, this is why I included the possibility of needing to do it.

No - they move when they see "or" hear something that triggers their "interest". That is established setting lore. And they keep moving until something stops them or distracts them.

That's how you end up with herds that follow trains for miles and miles and miles... even when they can't see or hear said train anymore.

And considering agriculture is pretty much one of the oldest human technologies, I'm pretty sure one of them can figure it out. Even if people didn't do useful things like say, write information down in books.

Assumption.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

No - they move when they see "or" hear something that triggers their "interest". That is established setting lore. And they keep moving until something stops them or distracts them.

That's how you end up with herds that follow trains for miles and miles and miles... even when they can't see or hear said train anymore.

End of the day, it's irrelevant. They're either stupid enough to chase the next lightning bolt or be lead off intentionally. Again, not a difficult concept.

Assumption.

Being able to get corn from a cornfield is a pretty safe bet. That shouldn't require explanation. Everything else, that's a fact. That farming's one of the oldest human technologies? Fact. Seriously, why do you think the region around the fertile crescent is known as the cradle of civilization? That information on how to farm is recorded in things like books? No, that's a fact too.

The bigger assumption that you're going to find lootable resources like non-perishable foods elsewhere.

[DreadMagus]

Ok, I see I'm going to have to go slow for you.... again.

If zombies dispersed so easily, they wouldn't be a threat anywhere... at all.... they'd be off chasing lightning bolts. Or rainbows..... or fucking unicorns.

I mean, do you honestly believe that?

As for your part 2.... You're still assuming - since obviously you couldn't grasp what I meant (an assumption on my part that you would) - I'll try to clarify.

You're assuming that the walking cluster-fuck we can refer to as "season 1's characters" have the sense, foresight or ability to do that.

Now let's compare it to what they did in their first three months.

They didn't have enough sense to create a basic garden at the motel, nor build more than a fragile defense or even acquire weapons and tools and basic resources from the town.

And you expect them to storm the farm, clean it out, rebuild it "and" set up a farm?

You're giving them far too much credit.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

End of the day, it's irrelevant. They're either stupid enough to chase the next lightning bolt or be lead off intentionally. Again, not a difficult concept.

Dude... have you watched the walking dead tv series? If so, remember how Rick was trying to lock down the outside of the prison to keep more walkers from getting into the courtyard? And some of the people behind the fences were to distract the zombies, but some still went after Rick. They aren't 'stupid'. If it comes between a butterfly or a human, the zombie most likely will chase the human. If it smells human blood(which also attracts them)
nothing would distract them unless they couldn't see you and maybe smelled more blood. They are able to determine what is food and what is not, and that is what makes them dangerous. The tvs in ep 1 only distract them for a few minutes, and lightning or rain didn't keep them from attacking the farm. It doesn't interest them. Because by seeing a human they won't go after...say... a waterfall. They will continue to go after that human unless some other meaning of food comes along.

Originally Posted by Rommel49

Being able to get corn from a cornfield is a pretty safe bet. That shouldn't require explanation. Everything else, that's a fact. That farming's one of the oldest human technologies? Fact. Seriously, why do you think the region around the fertile crescent is known as the cradle of civilization? That information on how to farm is recorded in things like books? No, that's a fact too.

Not really, its been over 4 months since apocalypse. Corn will be dead. The season ended either in the winter or it just ending.

Originally Posted by Rommel49

The bigger assumption that you're going to find lootable resources like non-perishable foods elsewhere.

And no, that should be fairly common. Prescriptions, guns and ammunition, non-perishable foods or perishable, matches, flashlights, lanterns, traps, fishing equipment, farming equipment,etc. It's all gotta come from somewhere, and there was tons before the apocalypse started.

[zjs]

Originally Posted by The Fallen

Lets look at exactly where the deaths from the main group occur in the game.

Savannah - 4 (Chuck, Kenny, Lee, Ben)
While moving - 2 (Carley, Katjaa, Lilly leaves the group)
St.Johns farm - 2 (Mark, Larry)
Motel - 1 (Duck fatally wounded)
Drug Store- 1 (Doug)

Its pretty evident in hindsight that the 3 months or so spent at the motel was the groups peak, 3 casualties compared to 7 outside of that time. The walker threat is almost non existent during that time and thats despite the motel not being the best defended fort the worlds ever seen. Bunkering down somewhere is clearly the way to go or you'll die out pretty quickly if you have to constantly adapt to a new area.

There are two big issues to combat, namely the supplies and the living. Unfortunately one of the first things i'd do once we'd fortified our home base is plan out thoroughly exactly we're going to go and how we're going to get there when we are inevitably forced to leave. That's the problem with getting the boat and going to the city in the game, its rushed and badly planned, over the three months i'd have done a lot of scouting. Find somewhere reasonably far away, prepare for it and move there when the time comes, rinse and repeat.

People talking about years from now when the canned food and such goes off in 5 years or so, well thats a problem to think about if we're still alive in 4. Its hard to predict how well the walkers and bandits would still be surviving that far into the future.

I have to say that the evidence points to on the move being the safest, if we're basing it off the world represented solely by the game.

Who was killed on the move by walkers? Absolutely noone. Katjaa killed herself, Duck was wounded at the motel and Carley/Doug were killed by a human member of the group (and not as a consequence of being on the move).

In reality, I'd say that yes, somewhere like the motel would be good in a way, but you have to remember that the group faced real problems with supplies - both of food and medical. Likewise, the only reason the group weren't attacked by bandits was that a member of the group was trading with them.

Being on the move is tough and takes its toll, but you can keep getting new supplies, changing where you stay to avoid big hordes etc.

Realistically, you'd probably start the apocalypse in a city. From there, you'd want to set up a few safehouses for yourself at first; different locations in case any are overrun, with food and water at each. You start moving to the outskirts of the city, collecting as many people and provisions as you can. From there, you travel by water to the ideal location: a large plot of land, somewhere warm, which has sea access. Ideally, it's a peninsula, so the land juts out. From there, you build a large wall/ditch around the house, use the land for farming and keep boats to travel into more open water to fish and travel out to skirmish for fuel/guns/ammo/medical supplies. Eventually, you reach a point where you have a very large group, all well supplied and heavily armed. You can use hundreds of vessels on the roof to collect water, and set up something to filter sea water into drinking water.

[zjs]

Originally Posted by The Fallen

Lets look at exactly where the deaths from the main group occur in the game.

Savannah - 4 (Chuck, Kenny, Lee, Ben)
While moving - 2 (Carley, Katjaa, Lilly leaves the group)
St.Johns farm - 2 (Mark, Larry)
Motel - 1 (Duck fatally wounded)
Drug Store- 1 (Doug)

Its pretty evident in hindsight that the 3 months or so spent at the motel was the groups peak, 3 casualties compared to 7 outside of that time. The walker threat is almost non existent during that time and thats despite the motel not being the best defended fort the worlds ever seen. Bunkering down somewhere is clearly the way to go or you'll die out pretty quickly if you have to constantly adapt to a new area.

I'd say the statistics from the game point to the fact that being on the move is actually the safest bet. While moving, the group weren't threatened by any external human threat. Also, absolutely NOONE was killed whilst moving. Duck, as you say, died due to injuries sustained escaping the motel, Carley/Doug died as a consequence of the motel bandit raid, killed by a human player who was part of the group and could have done it anywhere, and Katjaa was a suicide which also could have happened anywhere as it was related to the death or her son and not the situation on the road. Walkers didn't kill anyone whatsoever, which is a big deal.

Yes, it takes its toll, but people are more aware and are constantly foraging for supplies. Take somewhere like the motel: everyone was starving, and the only reason they weren't attacked by other human groups was the deal Ben struck with the bandits.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Ok, I see I'm going to have to go slow for you.... again.

If zombies dispersed so easily, they wouldn't be a threat anywhere... at all.... they'd be off chasing lightning bolts. Or rainbows..... or fucking unicorns.

I mean, do you honestly believe that?

Somebody hasn't been paying attention again.

The assumption they're not easily lead is undermined by the very fact they do go after objects like trains and they're attracted by gunshots. In the show they'll lumber after things like road flares.

Hell, how did we get the pharmacy keys in Episode 1 again? Fact is, if they follow things like gunshots and fixate on loud TV's, they'll follow lightning bolts and thunderclaps.

As for your part 2.... You're still assuming - since obviously you couldn't grasp what I meant (an assumption on my part that you would) - I'll try to clarify.

You're assuming that the walking cluster-fuck we can refer to as "season 1's characters" have the sense, foresight or ability to do that.

Now let's compare it to what they did in their first three months.

They didn't have enough sense to create a basic garden at the motel, nor build more than a fragile defense or even acquire weapons and tools and basic resources from the town.

And you expect them to storm the farm, clean it out, rebuild it "and" set up a farm?

You're giving them far too much credit.

Unfortunately, there's the small issue of you being obviously, demonstrably wrong. Didn't have the foresight to acquire weapons? Then how is it the group had multiple rifles and ammunition by the beginning of Episode 2 when the only firearm they potentially had at the end of Episode 1 was Carley's pistol?

We know from Episode 1 that the last group which tried breaking into the hardware store ended up dead. The wall the group did build held up well enough against walkers... and I'm not sure you could realistically do better with the number of people and resources the group had anyway, particularly since they were on foot. Hell, wooden walls/pallisades were basically the norm for most pre-industrial settlements... incidentally, those settlements figured out farming too.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

Dude... have you watched the walking dead tv series? If so, remember how Rick was trying to lock down the outside of the prison to keep more walkers from getting into the courtyard? And some of the people behind the fences were to distract the zombies, but some still went after Rick. They aren't 'stupid'. If it comes between a butterfly or a human, the zombie most likely will chase the human. If it smells human blood(which also attracts them)
nothing would distract them unless they couldn't see you and maybe smelled more blood. They are able to determine what is food and what is not, and that is what makes them dangerous. The tvs in ep 1 only distract them for a few minutes, and lightning or rain didn't keep them from attacking the farm. It doesn't interest them. Because by seeing a human they won't go after...say... a waterfall. They will continue to go after that human unless some other meaning of food comes along.

This is undermined by the fact that Lee was within a stone's throw (literally) of the walkers in Ep. 1, he was within earshot of Doug (who told him to hurry up), nor was Lee all that subtle when he killed his brother.

As I mentioned, the show has them chase road flares. The herd in the Season 2 finale was lured by a burning barn.

I said they're easily distracted, and pretty much every case proves as much. That somebody needs to break line of sight hardly matters given the "slower than molasses" pace the zombies move at.

Not really, its been over 4 months since apocalypse. Corn will be dead. The season ended either in the winter or it just ending.

End of episode 2 we're told it's "going to start getting cold soon" or something along those lines. Episode 3's presumably a few weeks after that, with Episodes 3 - 5 taking place over the course of about half a week (according to dialogue with Christa).

Cold is also relative here, they're in Georgia, not the Northeast.

And no, that should be fairly common. Prescriptions, guns and ammunition, non-perishable foods or perishable, matches, flashlights, lanterns, traps, fishing equipment, farming equipment,etc. It's all gotta come from somewhere, and there was tons before the apocalypse started.

The reason there's tons of that stuff before a disaster is because people are still regularly driving delivery trucks and restocking store shelves. That's where it came from, and it's not the case afterwards (hence the shortages of things like food during disasters).

We've seen two functional farms during the first season. Now, how many operational canneries did we see?

There's also the fact that every surviving person is also going to competing for the same stuff. The nearest pharmacy, grocery, or gun store to your place you're thinking about looting if things go bad? They're also the nearest places for hundreds of other people. Wherever you plan to go next to scavenge for supplies? Odds are somebody's going to have beaten you to the punch.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

Somebody hasn't been paying attention again.

Yeah, and he's named Rommel49.

You're leaving me with the impression that you're either arguing to argue or that you're just not thinking things through.

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Originally Posted by Rommel49

Unfortunately, there's the small issue of you being obviously, demonstrably wrong. Didn't have the foresight to acquire weapons? Then how is it the group had multiple rifles and ammunition by the beginning of Episode 2 when the only firearm they potentially had at the end of Episode 1 was Carley's pistol?

I'm really liking how you pick and choose over a point like someone picking over a salad bar.

The "facts" as they were... is that after the end of three months their only "resources" of value were A fireaxe, a pistol, two rifles, a handful of flashlights and a backpack. Three months into a ZA and they're still picking over the same store and have to divide 4 food items between 9 people per day.

If you equate that that to some grand survival strategy.... well.... good luck with that.

We know from Episode 1 that the last group which tried breaking into the hardware store ended up dead.

What's that? Oh, you mean the store surrounded by zombies that migrate every time a bird farts within viewing distance?

The wall the group did build held up well enough against walkers... and I'm not sure you could realistically do better with the number of people and resources the group had anyway, particularly since they were on foot. Hell, wooden walls/pallisades were basically the norm for most pre-industrial settlements... incidentally, those settlements figured out farming too.

Yeah... actually I could. In fact, I can say with no ego that I could do better by myself than what they did as a group. Of course, I suppose that's because I wouldn't need for the library fairy to drop a book in my hands to do it.

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

Yeah, and he's named Rommel49.

You're leaving me with the impression that you're either arguing to argue or that you're just not thinking things through.

I note you didn't actually contest the point.

The fact remains that I can rattle off a half-dozen instances of zombies chasing after inedible objects. The idea they're not easily distracted or lead is a joke.

To quote Molly on the matter "it doesn't take much to outsmart the dead".

I'm really liking how you pick and choose over a point like someone picking over a salad bar.

The "facts" as they were... is that after the end of three months their only "resources" of value were A fireaxe, a pistol, two rifles, a handful of flashlights and a backpack. Three months into a ZA and they're still picking over the same store and have to divide 4 food items between 9 people per day.

Shifting of the goal posts.

Your assertion that "They didn't acquire weapons" is flatly untrue, end of. Now it's "oh, they didn't acquire enough". Even with your "correction", you actually still miscounted , they had atleast three rifles at the start of Ep. 2 (Mark and Kenny each had one, as did Lilly) with an unknown number of handguns. They also apparently had scavenged enough ammunition in the intervening months to ensure most of the group members were competent marksmen (which is a lengthy process all on its own).

Yeah... actually I could. In fact, I can say with no ego that I could do better by myself than what they did as a group. Of course, I suppose that's because I wouldn't need for the library fairy to drop a book in my hands to do it.

Prove it. Talk is cheap; "I could do better, because... pickles!" is worthless. Come on, show me how much weight you've lugged around in a Georgia summer, I'll wait.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Mornai

***Comic spoilers ahead***
Like the prison in the comics. It was well fortified, but because it was close to Woodbury, nearly all of Rick's group were killed as the prison was stormed with a tank and an army, and the survivors were forced out.
***end spoilers***

Hmm comics fan? Gotta admit that sucked. It was awesome that they had such firepower. Shame bout the place though. P.S. keeping it subtle and general so only those who read the comics know what I'm talkin bout

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

We've seen two functional farms during the first season. Now, how many operational canneries did we see?

There's also the fact that every surviving person is also going to competing for the same stuff. The nearest pharmacy, grocery, or gun store to your place you're thinking about looting if things go bad? They're also the nearest places for hundreds of other people. Wherever you plan to go next to scavenge for supplies? Odds are somebody's going to have beaten you to the punch.

Never said their would be stores open dummy xD. And you do realize just how much food and other supplies are out there? If you were to assume maybe 50% population was wiped out so fast, do you think supplies would be disappearing so much? While at the farm, they still find a lot of food and antibiotics and the like at the one store. And when the walking dead come a' knockin', it's not easy to go looting potentially dangerous areas. Also, there are sources of food many people don't think of.

For example, where does the food, ammo, cosmetics, prescriptions, etc. get shipped from? Warehouses usually. Most people wouldn't think about such.

Or trucking companies. If a zombie apocalypse occurs, most truckers wont continue working. So whatever was at the trucking company when shit broke loose should still be there, and we aren't talking about a box of cookies, we are talking shit loads. Those tractor trailers aren't hauling some milk and bread for the local convinience store, but more like hundreds+.

Maybe a survival/bomb shelter. Kinda like the one in episode 4 that Lee finds.
If the owner dies and noone else knows the existance, the contents should be fine. You just gotta find one, which would take effort. They aren't mean't to be seen. Even if the food and/or meds go bad, the ammunition and survival kits/tools won't.

Stop assuming what I mean, just gotta ask!

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

This is undermined by the fact that Lee was within a stone's throw (literally) of the walkers in Ep. 1, he was within earshot of Doug (who told him to hurry up), nor was Lee all that subtle when he killed his brother.

As I mentioned, the show has them chase road flares. The herd in the Season 2 finale was lured by a burning barn.

I said they're easily distracted, and pretty much every case proves as much. That somebody needs to break line of sight hardly matters given the "slower than molasses" pace the zombies move at.

The burning barn attracted a lot, however, Jimmy who was near the barn, also attracted a lot of zombies. Rick and Carl barely escape. Those at the house also get swarmed by a clusterfuck of walkers. I admit they are easily distracted, but they have priorities. A man will attract them over a rattling fence, because they can smell the food. The zombies from the train tracks followed that train for tens to hundreds of miles(idk, I live nowhere near Georgia) and although maybe some walkers became distracted down the path, there were still thousands going after them, showing that they will continue after prey until another prey comes along. They seem to use instincts, not common sense or intelligence. In the long run, neither of us know anything because we know nothing to little of how zombies would really be. One thing for sure, I know lot of you would be reliable for a group. (Let's meet up sometime xD) In seriousness, IMO the walkers can get distracted, but they know food from inedibles, so I think a chicken would excite them more than leaves blowing against the ground.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

I note you didn't actually contest the point. (and other words)

I'm fairly sure you don't understand the point.

Plus, I'm rather tired of repeating myself at this juncture.

But, since all you seem to want to do is repeat yourself, I'll just.... point to my above posts that you seem to be ignoring or only selectively reading until you get on the same page.

I'll wait.

That's nice.

Personally, I'm bored.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by dreadmagus

i'm fairly sure you don't understand the point.

Plus, i'm rather tired of repeating myself at this juncture.

But, since all you seem to want to do is repeat yourself, i'll just.... Point to my above posts that you seem to be ignoring or only selectively reading until you get on the same page.



That's nice.

Personally, i'm bored.

hahahahahahahahahaha

[Rommel49]

Originally Posted by Mark$man

Never said their would be stores open dummy xD. And you do realize just how much food and other supplies are out there? If you were to assume maybe 50% population was wiped out so fast, do you think supplies would be disappearing so much? While at the farm, they still find a lot of food and antibiotics and the like at the one store. And when the walking dead come a' knockin', it's not easy to go looting potentially dangerous areas. Also, there are sources of food many people don't think of.

For example, where does the food, ammo, cosmetics, prescriptions, etc. get shipped from? Warehouses usually. Most people wouldn't think about such.

Or trucking companies. If a zombie apocalypse occurs, most truckers wont continue working. So whatever was at the trucking company when shit broke loose should still be there, and we aren't talking about a box of cookies, we are talking shit loads. Those tractor trailers aren't hauling some milk and bread for the local convinience store, but more like hundreds+.

Maybe a survival/bomb shelter. Kinda like the one in episode 4 that Lee finds.
If the owner dies and noone else knows the existance, the contents should be fine. You just gotta find one, which would take effort. They aren't mean't to be seen. Even if the food and/or meds go bad, the ammunition and survival kits/tools won't.

Stop assuming what I mean, just gotta ask!

In pretty much all cases of disaster prevention, you're advised to have your stuff together and do things like pack food before the disaster hits. Your average person in the U.S. eats a few hundred lbs. of food a year.

The reason why it seems like so much stuff is out there is strictly because people are still producing it and transporting it.

In the case of even a perceived shortage, that stuff'll disappear pretty quick. Best precedent - the toilet paper shortage of 1973. It took weeks for TP supplies to return to normal after one not-so-great joke from Johnny Carson.

Warehouses probably aren't a safe bet either. I figure that the people who work at a Campbell's warehouse are probably going to have the notion in their heads to loot the place if soceity falls apart. Beyond that, I'm inclined to think that goods consumed on a year-round basis (like food) probably don't actually spend that much time in them. A company makes money for the goods it's selling on store shelves, the stuff languishing in a warehouse? Not so much.

Regardless if we're positing that stuff isn't getting shipped from a warehouse because of the apocalypse, there's also no reason to assume it was shipped to a warehouse either.

If you're tracing stuff back along to its origin point, the ultimate go-to source is the farm when it comes to food. There's no earlier link in that chain. With other stuff like ammunition or medicine? We haven't seen any working munitions factories. Even if you do find ammunition? No guarantee it's compatible with the weapon you're carrying; all the .44 ammunition in the world won't do you any good if the weapon you have is chambered for 5.56 . Medicine? I'd be amazed if your average person could tell a pain-reliever like Aleve from Viagra, honestly. Hey, they're both blue.

[zjs]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

Medicine? I'd be amazed if your average person could tell a pain-reliever like Aleve from Viagra, honestly. Hey, they're both blue.

It's not relevant, but at this point I have to bring up the fact that there's ALWAYS a doctor in the initial group, or who joins at some point after (usually precisely when needed) in any thing that's ever involved zombies.

Useful technique to explain how they collect the right medicine, ofc. Plenty of them in the profession? Granted. Decent chance of surviving due to intelligence/knowledge? Quite possibly. However, hospitals would soon become epicenters of the apocalypse and walker buffets for those inside them, so they're also on the front lines, so to speak.

As such, it's strange to think how every group, almost no matter how small, seems to involve a doctor (or very closely related i.e. vet, as in TWD, so as not to make it too obvious). I mean, the game has a vet AND a doctor, and that isn't even counting Hershel, if he's the same farm-owning vet! The group's not that big, even with Vernon and the cancer survivors.

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by Rommel49

In pretty much all cases of disaster prevention, you're advised to have your stuff together and do things like pack food before the disaster hits. Your average person in the U.S. eats a few hundred lbs. of food a year.

The reason why it seems like so much stuff is out there is strictly because people are still producing it and transporting it.

In the case of even a perceived shortage, that stuff'll disappear pretty quick. Best precedent - the toilet paper shortage of 1973. It took weeks for TP supplies to return to normal after one not-so-great joke from Johnny Carson.

Warehouses probably aren't a safe bet either. I figure that the people who work at a Campbell's warehouse are probably going to have the notion in their heads to loot the place if soceity falls apart. Beyond that, I'm inclined to think that goods consumed on a year-round basis (like food) probably don't actually spend that much time in them. A company makes money for the goods it's selling on store shelves, the stuff languishing in a warehouse? Not so much.

Regardless if we're positing that stuff isn't getting shipped from a warehouse because of the apocalypse, there's also no reason to assume it was shipped to a warehouse either.

If you're tracing stuff back along to its origin point, the ultimate go-to source is the farm when it comes to food. There's no earlier link in that chain. With other stuff like ammunition or medicine? We haven't seen any working munitions factories. Even if you do find ammunition? No guarantee it's compatible with the weapon you're carrying; all the .44 ammunition in the world won't do you any good if the weapon you have is chambered for 5.56 . Medicine? I'd be amazed if your average person could tell a pain-reliever like Aleve from Viagra, honestly. Hey, they're both blue.

Dude, when the apocalypse first hit, nobody was warning them, most people either figured it out or died. Only after the first outbreaks did media and whatnot try to warn people, and it was simply where to go and what to do if you think someone was infected etc.

Warehouses aren't just for food, they are for pretty much anything(and I mean ANYTHING).

If you looked up in a phone book you'd find a shitload of warehouses for specific things, and that'd prob be where you'd find your specific ammunition or firearms. Or medication. Or food. Or camping equipment. Or vehicles.

As for the medication, it depends on the person, and where they are from. Obviously a rich person or some relatively locked out of life individual wouldn't know the difference between certain medicines and pain killers, or what they are, but for I'd think at least 60-70% of people would know the difference. At least they'd read the goddamn bottle lol. I don't see the point on that; I mean it doesn't sound relevant.

You can't say if survival shelters would be good or not, it would depend on how long into the apocalypse, whether you are a dick or not, or if the owner(s) died when zombies came walking along one day . If you were a dick you could raid someone's survival shelter fairly easily if you have the tools to get in, whether it is vacant or not. They are almost always packed, and unless the shelter was packed with 50+ people those supplies won't drain that fast. Just matters if you are a dick or not. I, however, think it would be a great idea because if a zombie apocalypse occurs some people don't know. i mean, if you see a person stumbling along the side of the road, wouldn't your first assumption be they are drunk or injured? Wouldn't the first instinct be to help them? You go up to them and they come toward you. You ask if they are okay, and then maybe if you are familiar with 'zombies' or see something isn't right, like they don't answer you, they keep coming toward you, they have blood on them, their skin looks rotten, etc. But other than if you are a dick or always paranoid, I think a lot of people, and I mean A LOT would die within the very first week.

As for your argument on warehouses being filled or not or looted quickly, I doubt it. Warehouses are drained slowly, but at the same time are being replenished by fresh supplies. Unless they just took a shipment in, the warehouse should be full( or close to it). Some people might think of warehouses, but most won't. When people panic, they won't be able to think rationally. The first thing that would come to mind are stores, and if they are empty houses. Most wouldn't have it cross their mind. Those who work in the warehouse are the shippers, the stockers/manage inventory, and the owner(s). Shippers don't stay overnight, the main workers would go home to their families or get killed in-between work and home, and the owners can only loot their place if they survive the initial outbreaks. It's just a series of what if's. Nothing is certain, but thinking, guessing, and assuming gets you farther than sitting on your ass.

I don't mean to argue with you, because you make some good points. To be honest, I don't even know what we are arguing over anymore...

[FreemDeem]

Y'know what would be sweet? We find a nice safe spot, and a fair way away from it we have some speakers or a PA-system blasting out something loud enough to keep the main mass of walkers there and not near the base. That way no-one has to risk their ass every day ringing bells like Molly (or hell, let's just get some enormous lengths of rope attached to the bells that we we can ring from base-camp)

[Mark$man]

Originally Posted by FreemDeem

Y'know what would be sweet? We find a nice safe spot, and a fair way away from it we have some speakers or a PA-system blasting out something loud enough to keep the main mass of walkers there and not near the base. That way no-one has to risk their ass every day ringing bells like Molly (or hell, let's just get some enormous lengths of rope attached to the bells that we we can ring from base-camp)

Exactly. It's stupid.