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martymcfly · 08/04/2009, 07:53 am

Well, they have mentioned it on their twitter, so they deffo know it exists....

PariahKing · 08/04/2009, 01:30 pm

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Originally Posted by martymcfly

Well, they have mentioned it on their twitter, so they deffo know it exists....

Seriously? Anyone got a link?

SHODANFreeman · 08/04/2009, 01:43 pm

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Originally Posted by PariahKing

Seriously? Anyone got a link?

http://twitter.com/lucasartsgames/status/2913534492

martymcfly · 08/04/2009, 01:46 pm

Beat me to it Pale Man. But yeh, maybe this is something they will consider. From what I understand in my interview with the guy who did the videos, it wouldn't really work with Secret Of Monkey Island because the backgrounds were such a low resolution. LeChucks Revenge on the other hand...

tobar · 08/05/2009, 02:28 am

It's true that they couldn't have used the original background for SoMI:SE but that doesn't mean they couldn't have stayed 100% true to the original. These SE's require direct translation not reinterpretation, and this Super-Uber edition is exactly how it should be done!

TookiGuy · 08/05/2009, 03:03 am

The original MI2 doesn't need much memory, so they could kind of run it "in the background" and make sure that what you do in the new version is translated into the original, so we can switch any time. And it would mean that we would be able to get the new sound in the original. Of course, they could just take snapshots of all the 3d scenes and overlap them SMI:SE style.

SurplusGamer · 08/05/2009, 03:25 am

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It's true that they couldn't have used the original background for SoMI:SE but that doesn't mean they couldn't have stayed 100% true to the original. These SE's require direct translation not reinterpretation, and this Super-Uber edition is exactly how it should be done!

This is exactly the form of purism I can't stand. While I love what this guy has done with MI2 in remaining true to the originals, I see absolutely no reason why MI:SE shouldn't be able to interpret the visuals. Sure, arguably some of these experiments may have been failures (though not nearly as many as some people would like to arguie) but I fail to see what's so wrong about, for example, adding those ships to the dock behind the Scumm Bar, and the idea that 'if it's not in the original game, don't put it in' is purism gone way too far, and the best way to stifle any potential creativity in the translations.

I thought MI:SE was very faithful and this fan mockup of MI2 even more so, but even 3d mock ups add things- take the light streaming through the window, for example - that's completely new, should that be taken out?

Juicius Maximus · 08/05/2009, 04:18 am

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take the light streaming through the window, for example - that's completely new, should that be taken out?

Totally. That streaming window light raped my childhood and ruined MI for me forever. Thanks a lot, Guy.brush. [burning Dial-A-Pirate and Mix-N-Mojo codewheels]

LuigiHann · 08/05/2009, 09:57 am

I'd really like to see what this guy could do with CMI's art.

PariahKing · 08/05/2009, 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by LuigiHann

I'd really like to see what this guy could do with CMI's art.

This suggestion is brilliant.

SHODANFreeman · 08/05/2009, 10:01 am

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Originally Posted by Jucius Maximus

Totally. That streaming window light raped my childhood and ruined MI for me forever. Thanks a lot, Guy.brush. [burning Dial-A-Pirate and Mix-N-Mojo codewheels]

That streaming window light killed my father

PariahKing · 08/05/2009, 10:03 am

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That streaming window light killed my father

Your father was a vampire, and that bastard deserved it.

RockNRoll · 08/07/2009, 11:05 am

This guy simply has the objective, indisputable best way to do these remakes. No debate.

EwenW · 08/07/2009, 11:52 am

Holy cow. Amazing!

LuigiHann · 08/08/2009, 10:54 am

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Originally Posted by RockNRoll

This guy simply has the objective, indisputable best way to do these remakes. No debate.

I think there's some room for debate when you start thinking about having characters walking around in that style of world. If the remake uses 3D characters, people will complain, because they won't look as much like the original sprites. If they use 2D characters walking around in the 3D world, it'll have a jarring "Paper Mario" look.

So while these backgrounds do look awesome, I don't think they're a definitive answer because they only cover half the equation.

tobar · 08/08/2009, 02:53 pm

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Originally Posted by SurplusGamer

Sure, arguably some of these experiments may have been failures (though not nearly as many as some people would like to arguie) but I fail to see what's so wrong about, for example, adding those ships to the dock behind the Scumm Bar, and the idea that 'if it's not in the original game, don't put it in' is purism gone way too far, and the best way to stifle any potential creativity in the translations.

It's what was left out that bothers me the most other than the redesigns of the characters. For example when you encounter the monkey on monkey island, you can't examine him like you can in the original game. When you did he would say, "He looks hungry," or "He still looks hungry." It doesn't sound like much but these were contextual clues that were there to help. The new hint system is just lazy.

Then there's LeChuck. He doesn't even look like a ghost anymore, he looks like a zombie with ghost hands. He and all his crew are supposed to be transparent, it's even mentioned in the dialog. Then there's the tragic loss of Bob's awesome Skull Beard™. Not to mention the destruction of the awesome monkey animations that Steve did.

A lot of the backgrounds in general were messed up, for example the aging done on all the ships at Stan's. Stan's personal ship and the red one at the end of the dock are supposed to look prestine, they're the best on the lot. Heck all of them are supposed to look decent except for the one Guybrush actually buys. Now the joke about it being barely sea-worthy is hurt by the fact that all the ships are rotting. I can go on... =P

SHODANFreeman · 08/08/2009, 03:01 pm

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Originally Posted by tobar

A lot of the backgrounds in general were messed up, for example the aging done on all the ships at Stan's. Stan's personal ship and the red one at the end of the dock are supposed to look prestine, they're the best on the lot. Heck all of them are supposed to look decent except for the one Guybrush actually buys. Now the joke about it being barely sea-worthy is hurt by the fact that all the ships are rotting. I can go on... =P

You're forgetting our good friend 'As Is'

Not all of them were decent looking

tobar · 08/08/2009, 03:04 pm

True, you got me there.

zmally · 08/08/2009, 03:48 pm

Hmmm.. You gain the respect of a huge fan base, the original artist of the artwork involved and the owner and publisher of the said game, with frankly, some of the best 3d imaging i've ever seen. this fella is one smart cookie!

Probably the secend best piece of 3d artwork i've ever seen!

RockNRoll · 08/10/2009, 10:34 pm

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Originally Posted by LuigiHann

I think there's some room for debate when you start thinking about having characters walking around in that style of world. If the remake uses 3D characters, people will complain, because they won't look as much like the original sprites. If they use 2D characters walking around in the 3D world, it'll have a jarring "Paper Mario" look.

So while these backgrounds do look awesome, I don't think they're a definitive answer because they only cover half the equation.

they could find a way. the sample guybrushes in these videos looks great. i'm betting a nice 3D model with tasteful cell shading would probably work

08/05/2009, 09:57 am	#49
LuigiHann Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,686	I'd really like to see what this guy could do with CMI's art. __________________ "I think it's the idea that counts, not the actual method. As long as you set out to cause a horrible death through insects eating the person, you're good." - apenpaap

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08/04/2009, 07:53 am	#41
martymcfly Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom, Liverpool Posts: 460	Well, they have mentioned it on their twitter, so they deffo know it exists....

08/04/2009, 01:46 pm	#44
martymcfly Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: United Kingdom, Liverpool Posts: 460	Beat me to it Pale Man. But yeh, maybe this is something they will consider. From what I understand in my interview with the guy who did the videos, it wouldn't really work with Secret Of Monkey Island because the backgrounds were such a low resolution. LeChucks Revenge on the other hand...

08/05/2009, 02:28 am	#45
tobar Blue Blazer irregular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 696	It's true that they couldn't have used the original background for SoMI:SE but that doesn't mean they couldn't have stayed 100% true to the original. These SE's require direct translation not reinterpretation, and this Super-Uber edition is exactly how it should be done!

08/05/2009, 03:03 am	#46
TookiGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 192	The original MI2 doesn't need much memory, so they could kind of run it "in the background" and make sure that what you do in the new version is translated into the original, so we can switch any time. And it would mean that we would be able to get the new sound in the original. Of course, they could just take snapshots of all the 3d scenes and overlap them SMI:SE style.

08/07/2009, 11:05 am	#53
RockNRoll Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 168	This guy simply has the objective, indisputable best way to do these remakes. No debate.

08/07/2009, 11:52 am	#54
EwenW Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 73	Holy cow. Amazing!

08/08/2009, 03:04 pm	#58
tobar Blue Blazer irregular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 696	True, you got me there.

08/08/2009, 03:48 pm	#59
zmally mega monkey modester Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hull, UK Posts: 428	Hmmm.. You gain the respect of a huge fan base, the original artist of the artwork involved and the owner and publisher of the said game, with frankly, some of the best 3d imaging i've ever seen. this fella is one smart cookie! Probably the secend best piece of 3d artwork i've ever seen!