DeSinge - anyone else not care?

[The Silent Man]

I hate DeSinge.
I don't like this character at all, he seems to be out of place and the french accent is unbearable. He is one of the few weak points in the (great) series.

[Olaus Petrus]

Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

I certainly hope so, or someone's going to be in trouble over that shoddy 17th century electrical wiring.

I think I'm going to have to go make a list of as many Monkey Island anachronisms as I can think of now...

It would be a long list, but my main point was that as a character he doesn't feel out of place. Being out of place isn't bad thing if it's made in funny way like in Stan's case, but IMO EMI's tourists in Lua Bar and Jambalaya Island were probably most annoying people in the entire series, because atmosphere of those places was too modern for my liking.

Most annoying baddie character in the entire series is probably Dinghy Dog, whom I rate even lower than Ozzie and Pegnose Pete. So far characters of Tales have fitted well to the "pirate" atmosphere of the series, so I haven't got any complains.

[Kroms]

Originally Posted by StarEye

EMI was bad because of it. It wasn't bad because it was in EMI. I never said that.
Yeah, about as boring as the three first games. Oh, wait!

Freddy Kruger was scary in the first Nightmare, a little less in the second, he'd become familiar by the third, and as the series went on he became a pal and then a joke. Do you get what I'm saying?

[TioAlli]

ok, i disagree, i think he was very funny, and his songs will stay in my head forever.
Also, morgan is just awesome, i will never forget her ...never!
immortalité...or whatever.

[balin2k]

i liked him. he was just pretty strange

[Armand1880]

The problem is that I never really got a clear sense of DeSinge's motivation for what he was doing. Sure he wanted immortality - why the heck is Guybrush's poxed hand going to do that? Oh, because it's the original strain? What? I just felt like there were a few ideas plucked from other sources (sci-fi movies maybe) and thrown together to try and attempt to give DeSinge motivation. He didn't feel real to me - he felt like a last minute addition to try to fill up some plot holes, and his motivations just felt like last minute editions to fill the character. Very cliche - just original in the Monkey Island universe - but stale everywhere else.

When people talk about Ozzie Mandrill - he felt more original to me, and his motivation was much more clear and original than DeSinge's. I actually liked Ozzie - maybe I didn't like the whole "Lechuck is my henchman now!" thing, but he felt real, and his character (Land developer stealing up property) was enjoyable and original to me.
(On that note, I don't get all the EMI hate. I don't like the talking monkey or Monkey Kombat, LeChuck as 2nd rate villian, style wasn't exactly my favorite - but I felt that plot wise it held up nicely...but this is off topic)

I also agree to one point people are making: the characters are forgettable because of the similar models. Sure many of the characteres have interesting personalities, but because they all look a like I'm going to forget them. in the first four games, all the characters looked different, which helped to make the memorable. Heck, isn't it interesting that the characters people are singling out are the ones that look different: the only black guy, the hot chick, etc...

[GuruGuru214]

Originally Posted by Olaus Petrus

It would be a long list, but my main point was that as a character he doesn't feel out of place. Being out of place isn't bad thing if it's made in funny way like in Stan's case, but IMO EMI's tourists in Lua Bar and Jambalaya Island were probably most annoying people in the entire series, because atmosphere of those places was too modern for my liking.

No, I got your point. The wiring thing was just a joke and the list thing was just my curiosity taking hold.

[Bas]

Originally Posted by Armand1880

I also agree to one point people are making: the characters are forgettable because of the similar models. Sure many of the characteres have interesting personalities, but because they all look a like I'm going to forget them. in the first four games, all the characters looked different, which helped to make the memorable. Heck, isn't it interesting that the characters people are singling out are the ones that look different: the only black guy, the hot chick, etc...

Repetitive character model syndrome definitely is an issue there, but not for all cases. Winslow is the generic fat pirate model, only with dark skin. He's memorable though because he has great lines and a disturbing personality.

I kept mixing up the glassblower and Hemlock in chapter 4, by the way.

[floweroftheforest]

I found De singe extremely annoying in episode one but as the series went on I actually thought he was quite a good character to *love to hate*

[StarEye]

Originally Posted by Kroms

Freddy Kruger was scary in the first Nightmare, a little less in the second, he'd become familiar by the third, and as the series went on he became a pal and then a joke. Do you get what I'm saying?

Not a good comparison, really. First of all, the whole point of the Nightmare movies is to scare the viewer, which is totally different from what Monkey Island is about. Second of all, you even contradict yourself by comparing it to the Nightmare movies. Would it be a Nightmare on Elm Street movie without Freddy as the main badguy? Isn't he part of the reason you watch the movie? For LeChuck not to be the main bad guy, I feel is has to be someone even more threatening or evil than LeChuck. You can't really downgrade the badguys, it has to be worse or at least equal to. It just doesn't work. That's like climbing in the alps first, then climbing trees in your backyard after.

So, if they want me to take a new badguy seriously, he or she has to "outbad" (yeah, I made that up) the original, LeChuck. I don't want downgraded second-rate badguys just for the sake of variety. However, if they want to have a henchman or two, I'm all for that. But nobody should be above LeChuck. Like the Voodoo lady said, pure evil can never be destroyed. And if LeChuck is pure evil, what or who could ever be more evil than him other than the devil itself?

[Bas]

His point stands though: saying that something isn't repetitive because it didn't feel repetitive the first few times makes little sense.

Still, I like your point about outbadding the original bad guy, and LeChuck being the ultimate evil.

[Armand1880]

Originally Posted by Bas

Winslow is the generic fat pirate model, only with dark skin. He's memorable though because he has great lines and a disturbing personality.

I didn't mean to say that Winslow is memorable just because he looks slightly different, it was just an example of how looks are important. As much as I hate to say it, I think the character does need to look unique in order for them to be memorable in a game like this. Some of the other characters have great lines, but I'm not going to remember them because they look alike. Winslow might not be a great example because he has such a different role though - if Winslow were white, you'd still remember him because he is on the ship and all - but his different look (skin color) make him unique.
I really really hope they do something about this next season. This is my one main gripe with ToMI - character models. As I said above, all the other games had great looking, unique characters - this game is missing that. They've got the personalities down, but sadly that doesn't matter. Most of them are forgettable because of their models.

[der_ketzer]

He was the best character in the whole game.
May he rest in peace(s)

[shovell]

De Singe was bareable.... but I didnt find him likeable

I dont like Morgan either, her accent dead annoyed me, otherwise I probably would have

[Falanca]

Originally Posted by shovell

De Singe was bareable.... but I didnt find him likeable

I dont like Morgan either, her accent dead annoyed me, otherwise I probably would have

She has an accent? I've always thought her voice is more "modern" compared to (and unlike) other characters, which actually makes her sound cute.

[Toothless Gibbon]

Originally Posted by Falanca

She has an accent? I've always thought her voice is more "modern" compared to (and unlike) other characters, which actually makes her sound cute.

Everyone has an accent.

[Falanca]

Originally Posted by Toothless Gibbon

Everyone has an accent.

Err... I mean, "pirate-y" accent?

[doodo!]

I cared because he had one of the most violent Monkey Island deaths ever. I really got a kick out of that scene.

[Falanca]

I think Tales is the most violent Monkey Island game (if you think the episodes as a whole).

Cutting a hand right off, showing the deaths of three characters on-screen... And those deaths are not like LeChuck's deaths in previous games. Not with voodoo and puzzles and abra kadabra, but with stabbing actual swords.

It's not that much of a problem though...

[doodo!]

Originally Posted by Falanca

I think Tales is the most violent Monkey Island game (if you think the episodes as a whole).

Cutting a hand right off, showing the deaths of three characters on-screen... And those deaths are not like LeChuck's deaths in previous games. Not with voodoo and puzzles and abra kadabra, but with stabbing actual swords.

It's not that much of a problem though...

It's not like dark dark, I mean it's a comedy game but I totally agree that dark in the way your perceiving it is true. Definitely the darkest of the bunch...
In the way it's been focused, totally. I love it! For a Monkey Island game it's very dark, not just compared to the others, but also the theme and just the general Monkey Island "vibe".