Telltale Games

VastGirth · 12/10/2009, 02:27 pm

Well ive played through all 5 chapters of Monkey Island and i have to say its by far Telltales best game yet. Excellent characters, puzzles and story throughout...

...but i still hate the controls. Even on chapter 5 i still found myself trying to click around the screen to get Guybrush to move. Im a big gamer and very much used to WASD controls, but for adventure games like this it just didn't work and didn't fit into my brain. The amount of times guybrush was there running on the spot next to a bit of scenery whilst i tried to manuvere him to the right place is absurd.

I understand the need to have the game work on a gamepad, but by not having point n click the experience becomes so much worse. I want to sit back with the cat on my lap and play and adventure, not be hunched forward over the keyboard.

Im not going to be overly dramatic as i will still be purchasing telltales games, i just hope they dont put force this control method in all of the ones in the future. Sam n Max 2010, i await thee with trepidation...

jp-30 · 12/10/2009, 02:32 pm

Take time to learn to use the mouse. Then you can lean back and play with a cat on your lap.

Rather Dashing · 12/10/2009, 02:36 pm

Why not try the click and drag method?

Geypi · 12/10/2009, 02:40 pm

Well... they did make a MI game without monkey island... It's just like stealing a games name just to get sales... Good game though. But i still have no idea why didn't they put Monkey island in it.

Ash735 · 12/10/2009, 02:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Geypi

Well... they did make a MI game without monkey island... It's just like stealing a games name just to get sales... Good game though. But i still have no idea why didn't they put Monkey island in it.

Yeah, stealing the name, even though the characters, the story, and the events and the style of the game is still Monkey Island, they totally just took the name and riding on it

As for Monkey Island, what IS on Monkey Island anyway? Cannibals are Gone, Herman is Gone, LeChuck is Gone, Hell is Gone, and the Monkey Head is now Gone. What is left and why do people want to see it again?

jp-30 · 12/10/2009, 02:42 pm

There were Monkeys. On Islands.

Falanca · 12/10/2009, 02:43 pm

I always wondered. Why not having both controls? You know, a system where you can move Guybrush either by clicking on floor or using the arrow keys...

stemot · 12/10/2009, 02:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Geypi

Well... they did make a MI game without monkey island... It's just like stealing a games name just to get sales... Good game though. But i still have no idea why didn't they put Monkey island in it.

Yet is was fine when Ron Gilbert did it with Monkey Island 2:LeChucks Revenge?

How exactly are they stealing the name when the game features many of the earlier games characters along with their respective voice actors? Not to mention many of the same people who worked on the early games in the franchise.

Your logic is quite strange.

Rather Dashing · 12/10/2009, 02:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Falanca

I always wondered. Why not having both controls? You know, a system where you can move Guybrush either by clicking on floor or using the arrow keys...

Framing reasons, mostly. You can't click ground you cannot see, and a lot of Tales in the later episodes had such areas, where you wouldn't be able to click the ground where you want to walk.

It's definitely a controversial position, though I'll continue to mostly respect it while they continue to provide cinematic benefit from it.

Falanca · 12/10/2009, 02:47 pm

He didn't mean STEALING, he meant using the most known title of the franchise that has those reccuring characters, to get more money.

**puzzlebox** · 12/10/2009, 02:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Geypi

But i still have no idea why didn't they put Monkey island in it.

Because it was completely unnecessary?

Falanca · 12/10/2009, 02:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

Framing reasons, mostly. You can't click ground you cannot see, and a lot of Tales in the later episodes had such areas, where you wouldn't be able to click the ground where you want to walk.

It's definitely a controversial position, though I'll continue to mostly respect it while they continue to provide cinematic benefit from it.

I can't say this is a problem that's impossible to overcome...

stemot · 12/10/2009, 02:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Falanca

He didn't mean STEALING, he meant using the most known title of the franchise that has those reccuring characters, to get more money.

No. He meant they were using the title of a well loved series and slapping on something that bore no relation to the earlier games. Yet everything about Telltales games is clearly Monkey Island, and if actually not featuring the island in the game makes this a rip off, then Ron Gilbert ripped off his own game years ago when he developed a sequel.

Falanca · 12/10/2009, 02:57 pm

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Originally Posted by stemot

No. He meant they were using the title of a well loved series and slapping on something that bore no relation to the earlier games. Yet everything about Telltales games is clearly Monkey Island, and if actually not featuring the island in the game makes this a rip off, then Ron Gilbert ripped off hos own game years ago when he developed a sequel.

You're overthinking it. Also even if it's the case, "Ron Gilbert did it first!" is not that much of an awesome comeback. Rob Gilbert himself did it to point out the relevancy between the two games. Also for the sales. This is carried later on.

One can ask the question if the second game and the rest should have the name Monkey Island because, simply, they have no Monkey Island. It's not like irrelevancy between the titles is unacceptable.

I still believe "Stealing" is a misused word there. He even said "it's LIKE stealing", not "it's totally stealing!!!".

Gryffalio · 12/10/2009, 03:38 pm

Yeah, it bugged me too.

The click 'n' drag control isn't the end of the world, but i'm uber lazy and without a gun in my hand or a football at my feet it felt weird to be controlling Guybrush's movements so intimately. That's just me though.

It doesn't help that I, like many these days, am playing on a laptop with a touchpad. I hate touchpads for games because they're so much more faff than a normal mouse. Then again, I very rarely have a laptop on a desk where I can use a proper mouse.

sharper · 12/10/2009, 03:43 pm

I've played both the wii version and the PC version and I have to say the control set up feels natural for the wii's nunchuk and remote, but feels very fumbly for the PC. I don't like having to drag Guybrush by his underpants to get him to walk into invisible walls or hard to see obstacles. I miss the point and click method of the original 3 games where Guybrush seemed smart enough to actually walk around obstacles instead of into them. Also, the inventory bothers me. There were times when I was trying to click on something to the right side of the screen only to have the inventory get shoved in my face. I have a few gripes when it comes to the PC controls, but I'll try to keep this positive and say the Wii version controls make sense for the platform.

Zodler · 03/01/2010, 04:07 am

I also like the point and click option to move like in sam and max. I dont like the move controls in Tales. It feels like you are trapped!

Scrawffler · 03/01/2010, 06:40 am

Click and drag was an interesting idea, but I much preferred the usual point and click method in other adventure games.

Telltale were good to include keyboard controls to move Guybrush around though. If I couldn't use my faithful cursor keys then getting around the game would have taken a very long time!! I can imagine myself relying on clicking the hotspots to move him around the screen XD

techie775 · 03/02/2010, 04:35 pm

I like SCUMM better but the method for Tales and S&M s1+2 was more enjoyable to the GRIME (Grim Fandango and Monkey 4) controls. So I didn't have too many complaints with the controls. It was a little annoying while doing the feasts.

12/10/2009, 02:27 pm	#1
VastGirth Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 20	Telltale's best game yet...but Well ive played through all 5 chapters of Monkey Island and i have to say its by far Telltales best game yet. Excellent characters, puzzles and story throughout... ...but i still hate the controls. Even on chapter 5 i still found myself trying to click around the screen to get Guybrush to move. Im a big gamer and very much used to WASD controls, but for adventure games like this it just didn't work and didn't fit into my brain. The amount of times guybrush was there running on the spot next to a bit of scenery whilst i tried to manuvere him to the right place is absurd. I understand the need to have the game work on a gamepad, but by not having point n click the experience becomes so much worse. I want to sit back with the cat on my lap and play and adventure, not be hunched forward over the keyboard. Im not going to be overly dramatic as i will still be purchasing telltales games, i just hope they dont put force this control method in all of the ones in the future. Sam n Max 2010, i await thee with trepidation...

12/10/2009, 03:38 pm	#15
Gryffalio The Orphanage Attacked ME Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: York Posts: 668	Yeah, it bugged me too. The click 'n' drag control isn't the end of the world, but i'm uber lazy and without a gun in my hand or a football at my feet it felt weird to be controlling Guybrush's movements so intimately. That's just me though. It doesn't help that I, like many these days, am playing on a laptop with a touchpad. I hate touchpads for games because they're so much more faff than a normal mouse. Then again, I very rarely have a laptop on a desk where I can use a proper mouse. __________________ We'll drink beyond the boundaries of sense We'll drink 'til we start to see lovely pink elephants Inside our heads, inside our beds, inside the threads of our pyjama legs So don't shoot 'til you see the reds of our eyes And an army of elephants marching behind From the day I was born 'til the night I will die All my lovers will be pink and elephantine!

03/01/2010, 06:40 am	#18
Scrawffler Pappapisshu!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: England wink wink nudge nudge Posts: 607	Click and drag was an interesting idea, but I much preferred the usual point and click method in other adventure games. Telltale were good to include keyboard controls to move Guybrush around though. If I couldn't use my faithful cursor keys then getting around the game would have taken a very long time!! I can imagine myself relying on clicking the hotspots to move him around the screen XD __________________ I'm not crazy; I'm sanely-challenged.

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12/10/2009, 02:32 pm	#2
jp-30 Lint Miner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand. Posts: 2,735	Take time to learn to use the mouse. Then you can lean back and play with a cat on your lap.

12/10/2009, 02:36 pm	#3
Rather Dashing Throw Baby Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,793	Why not try the click and drag method?

12/10/2009, 02:40 pm	#4
Geypi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 218	Well... they did make a MI game without monkey island... It's just like stealing a games name just to get sales... Good game though. But i still have no idea why didn't they put Monkey island in it.

12/10/2009, 02:42 pm	#6
jp-30 Lint Miner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Zealand. Posts: 2,735	There were Monkeys. On Islands.

12/10/2009, 02:43 pm	#7
Falanca Hasn't Played TWDG Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,239	I always wondered. Why not having both controls? You know, a system where you can move Guybrush either by clicking on floor or using the arrow keys...

12/10/2009, 02:47 pm	#10
Falanca Hasn't Played TWDG Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,239	He didn't mean STEALING, he meant using the most known title of the franchise that has those reccuring characters, to get more money.

12/10/2009, 03:43 pm	#16
sharper Demonic Talking Skull Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: In a cold place. Posts: 61	I've played both the wii version and the PC version and I have to say the control set up feels natural for the wii's nunchuk and remote, but feels very fumbly for the PC. I don't like having to drag Guybrush by his underpants to get him to walk into invisible walls or hard to see obstacles. I miss the point and click method of the original 3 games where Guybrush seemed smart enough to actually walk around obstacles instead of into them. Also, the inventory bothers me. There were times when I was trying to click on something to the right side of the screen only to have the inventory get shoved in my face. I have a few gripes when it comes to the PC controls, but I'll try to keep this positive and say the Wii version controls make sense for the platform.

03/01/2010, 04:07 am	#17
Zodler Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 184	I also like the point and click option to move like in sam and max. I dont like the move controls in Tales. It feels like you are trapped!

03/02/2010, 04:35 pm	#19
techie775 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 408	I like SCUMM better but the method for Tales and S&M s1+2 was more enjoyable to the GRIME (Grim Fandango and Monkey 4) controls. So I didn't have too many complaints with the controls. It was a little annoying while doing the feasts.