How does LeChuck compare to other villains in your opinion. Possible Spoilers

[metroidreborn]

LeChuck has often been regarded as a comical villain, which is certainly true, but he has also done many things that other villains have never done before. All the murders and torture he does in the series really does pile up as the series progresses, especially in Tales.

I personally think LeChuck is one of the sickest and twisted villains out there, albeit comical. So my main question is this: How evil do you think LeChuck is when compared to other villains out there such as Ganondorf, Voldemort, Xehanort, Bowser, and whoever else? In terms of just being a character, how would you rank him?

[LowMoralFiber]

Less evil than Ganondorf and Voldemort, but more evil than Bowser.

Everything in Monkey Island has a comedic bent, and so while LeChuck is a sick and twisted villain, he too is going to have a comedic bent.

[GuruGuru214]

For some reason, this thread put this image in my head:

[Rather Dashing]

Depends on the game. Curse and Escape? I wouldn't be frightened if there were ten of him.

In Secret he's a bit comical, but mostly menacing, and truly evil when the dramatic need comes up. In LeChuck's Revenge, he's absolutely brutal.

Tales did a really good job of going back to a more Secret/Revenge characterization of the character in Chapter 5. I loved it.

[Uzrname]

I think LeChuck's role has drastically changed in the course of the series. If you remember what he was like in Secret, you'd probably say of him being a heartless tyrant bent on destruction and decay of all who stand in his way. In Revenge, LeChuck's portrayal is much more sadistic, as if he was actually more into pain and suffering of the individual than the actual destruction (remember him bragging about turning Guybrush into his "screaming chair"?). I'd say he isn't defined much differently in both Curse and Escape (especially Escape), as he was in the first two games.

But the take Tales go by on LeChuck seems different indeed. In this game he's not as tyrannical and sadistically peculiar as he is vicious and a bit insane, shall I say. When they wanted us to believe that he actually planned the whole turning into human thing himself, him, having usually been portrayed somewhat dull in previous installments, you can only say that he has a certain urge of spreading evil that he is never quite satiable with. And by this, he is ready to do whatever it takes to get rid of Guybrush, even if he has to pretend being of good faith for a while.

So to sum all this up, I think that LeChuck is evil, but so evil that it actually makes him less of a villain he could've been if he'd cared less about his own vileness and more about bringing doom and all that jazz to others (what does Murray, btw, but without the body his whole persona is just a tongue-in-cheek reference to an actual villain).

Dunno if that answers your question. I love to... talk... sometime.

[Hassat Hunter]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

When they wanted us to believe that he actually planned the whole turning into human thing himself, him

I don't think anyone planned him to get human. Not the Voodoo Lady, not LeChuck, no-one.
It was just Guybrush messing up... again!

[Kroms]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

In LeChuck's Revenge, he's absolutely brutal.

Correction: he looks absolutely brutal. That wedgie shoved twelve degrees of fear down the drain (or up the drain, as the case may be).

I like the Curse one. He always talks about having done evil things, but is nice enough to spare you the image.

The Tales one could be scary when he wanted to be.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by Hassat Hunter

I don't think anyone planned him to get human. Not the Voodoo Lady, not LeChuck, no-one.
It was just Guybrush messing up... again!

How did he then knew what he was going to do to get where he gets at the end? And why would he steal monkeys allegedly containing voodoo secrets if he knew about the Esponja?

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Kroms

Correction: he looks absolutely brutal. That wedgie shoved twelve degrees of fear down the drain (or up the drain, as the case may be).

I think you're missing the same distinction that Curse and Escape didn't notice as well. LeChuck was a brutal and evil villain stuck in a humorous game, whereas the Curse and Escape versions were cartoons in a cartoon world. Sometimes a subtle distinction, but a necessary one to make.

[Deadly Chlorine]

Originally Posted by LowMoralFiber

Less evil than Ganondorf and Voldemort, but more evil than Bowser.

Bowser did almost manage to blow up the galaxy, though.



I don't think LeChuck would ever do that.


I do think he's evil enough in Curse, though. It's just that you don't really see as much of him and what he did to all the miscellaneous people.

He was playing nice guy in most of Tales, but in the last chapter I think they managed to make him menacing enough.

[Kroms]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

I think you're missing the same distinction that Curse and Escape didn't notice as well. LeChuck was a brutal and evil villain stuck in a humorous game, whereas the Curse and Escape versions were cartoons in a cartoon world. Sometimes a subtle distinction, but a necessary one to make.

Everything considered, he talks a lot more about evil things he's done in Curse than in LeChuck's Revenge. And if the game made you give him a wedgie, then any fear you have of him is gone.

Anyways, yes, he is scary, but also a buffoon - in all the games. It's not the games themselves, it's the character.

[apenpaap]

I'd say he'sin the middle of the villain-scale. Easily eviler then Bowser or Andross, but not as evil as Sauron, Palpatine, or Gul Dukat.

[metroidreborn]

The way I judge LeChuck's evil level is simply looking at the facts and not his comedic edge, which is often the result of his lack of common sense. What I mean is that he having comical moments really doesn't make him any less evil because of the acts he commits. Here are the facts: He enslaved thousands of workers who all died in horrible ways and forced them to construct a demonic amusement park, he used that same amusement part to slaughter thousands in horrible ways, he ripped a man's pancreas out as he murdered him, he attempted to give the woman he claims to love, he murdered entire crews and forced them to serve him, the list goes on and on.

He has pillaged, plundered, and destroyed and has murdered thousands and thousands of people by the time tales roles around. He obviously does not care who he kills as we have seen that he has killed both men and women, children who knows at this point. At any rate, if you just look at a few of those items and it's really hard to say that he's not up there with the worst of the worst. LeChuck murders more and talks more of murder than most villains do

[apenpaap]

Originally Posted by metroidreborn

...he ripped a man's pancreas out as he murdered him...

Whose pancreas did he rip out?

LeChuck murders more and talks more of murder than most villains do

He's not that bad compared to some other villains. Palpatine enslaved an entire galaxy and comitted genocide against billions. Sauron murdered and tortured millions over the course of thousands of years. Gul Dukat betrayed his people to the Dominion, who eventually killed 800 million of them and started a war that swept the entire alpha quadrant.
Though he's probably worse than most Bond-villains.

[Hassat Hunter]

Originally Posted by Uzrname

How did he then knew what he was going to do to get where he gets at the end? And why would he steal monkeys allegedly containing voodoo secrets if he knew about the Esponja?

Because he was made human, not less evil. Evil humans exist, you know. Plenty of them around... PLENTY.
Also, I think monkeys are easier to gather than an Esponja from a killer Leviathan...

[GaryCXJk]

I think LeChuck was more menacing when turned human. Or at least it was implied that he did more evil stuff when being alive. I mean, he killed both Guybrush and Morgan as humans, probably also assassinated the pirates that ambushed him (don't remember if it was when he was still human or after turning himself undead) and framed the Voodoo Lady as well. All in a day's work.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by Hassat Hunter

Because he was made human, not less evil. Evil humans exist, you know. Plenty of them around... PLENTY.
Also, I think monkeys are easier to gather than an Esponja from a killer Leviathan...

Yes, well, I still believe he played all along. Because if he were to not know he became human, the first thing he'd do is still force Elaine to marry him or steal her or something, whether he was human or not. But considering he had this plan all along, he knew perfectly well what he was doing when he started being nice to Elaine (and everybody in particular).

[Reaper Lyn]

I think that Tales!LeChuck is the most menacing LeChuck has been since Revenge. I think it's mostly the parallels in the endgame segments - being tossed around by a voodoo doll, or just... er, tossed around, in general. Punched around.

(I'm drawing from my immense TV Tropes knowledge here) In observing a villain, we need to look at how much danger they pose, how effective they are it, and how much we're supposed to hate them. And honestly that... sort of changes from game to game for LeChuck. He was more comical in Curse and Escape, and his plans were less direct (putting us on a death roller coaster just doesn't have the same feel as punching us across Melee Island...), whereas in Revenge, Tales, and to an extent Secret, he was definitely more menacing.

The scary thing about LeChuck in Tales was that we didn't know if he was good or not, which made us (general us here, not everyone, obviously) paranoid that he was going to pull one over on us. But it was always possible that he wouldn't, so we had no idea how much of a threat he posed. I don't really know if we're supposed to hate LeChuck. I think it's more that we're supposed to find him funny sometimes, but understand that he can get serious and deadly when he wants to.

So no, he doesn't want to take over the world, or destroy the world, for that matter. But, as mentioned earlier, he DID kill many people, plunder towns, and terrorize the Caribbean for significant periods of time. It's evil on a different scale than villains the likes of Voldemort or Bowser, but... it's still evil.

[Uzrname]

Originally Posted by Reaper Lyn

So no, he doesn't want to take over the world, or destroy the world, for that matter. But, as mentioned earlier, he DID kill many people, plunder towns, and terrorize the Caribbean for significant periods of time. It's evil on a different scale than villains the likes of Voldemort or Bowser, but... it's still evil.

Does anyone else feel LeChuck going from "I'm going to kill everyone" in SMI to "I'm going to kill everyone... especially Guybrush" in LCR, then "I'm going to kill Guybrush, then everyone else" in CMI and EMI to "I'm REALLY going to kill this f.. Guybrush Threepwood now!" in Tales?

Damn, Guybrush sure bugged him a lot... Like those noisy neighbors you always have next door.

[Jen Kollic]

I definitely think that LeChuck is a more threatening villain than Bowser, mainly because I've never found Bowser to be that scary, Bowser is more "argh, curse you Mario, but now let's work together because a giant talking sword has destroyed my castle" than "KILLING YOU NOW YUS". He's not cosmic evil on the scale of someone like Sauron, but at the same time I think I'd sooner trust Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean (inevitable PoTC comparison yay!) than LeChuck, mainly because if Barbossa does wind up murdering you, he's not going to raise you from the dead to be his slave/make you into a chair afterwards.

For me, LeChuck's Tales incarnation is definitely the most menacing he's been since LCR, mainly on account of his casual and straightforward murder of Guybrush in Episode 4 (no elaborate deathtraps this time!) and the fight with him at the end of Episode 5. But by far, his most menacing incarnation in my opinion was in LCR. I was genuinely terrified of him in that game, to the extent that he gave me nightmares. (I was 12!) I would play through the entire game then switch it off after falling into the pit on Dinky Island because I was too scared of the part where he chases you around the tunnels. Sad but true.