Boobs: an artistic discussion

[GuruGuru214]

The thought of her as a male doesn't disturb me so much as I just prefer Vivian to be female. Transgenderism is perfectly acceptable grounds for me. Except for Bridget from Guilty Gear. That one does disturb me.

[The Highway]

congratulations everyone for breaking 1000 posts on the boob thread ahahahaha!

[Avistew]

Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

The thought of her as a male doesn't disturb me so much as I just prefer Vivian to be female. Transgenderism is perfectly acceptable grounds for me. Except for Bridget from Guilty Gear. That one does disturb me.

I totally understand. I think if the French translation was like the English one, the concept of Vivian being male would just "not work" for me. And I totally get preferring a translation to the original, especially if you had access to the translation first or only.

Here, from Donkey Kong:




Not only does he have nipples, but also a navel.
But when you think about it, is it really that much weirder than making them walk on their rear legs and wear human clothes?

EDIT: Here, TV tropes has a list of examples.

[The Highway]

aah, that explains why i didn't notice: its obviously from a newer title!

[Avistew]

Well, if you look at this page about King K. Rool, even though he doesn't seem to have nipples, he does have a navel and manboobs.

Including in Donkey Kong Country.

Which leads me to believe that it's anthropomorphism and not just a device to tell who's male and who's female (although obviously, it's the primary use of boobs on non-mammals).

[The Highway]

Anthropomorphism: The only way you could make "Animals who are like, humans, but they're like, not" even less understandable.

[GuruGuru214]

Originally Posted by Avistew

Here, TV tropes has a list of examples.

I'm not alone! Every once in a while I'll catch myself trying to use TV Tropes vocabulary on here. And just tonight, I was having a conversation and found myself struggling to find an alternative way to say "lampshaded". And I started reading the site less than a month ago. It's true, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary. And damn fast, too.

[Avistew]

Originally Posted by The Highway

Anthropomorphism: The only way you could make "Animals who are like, humans, but they're like, not" even less understandable.

Haha sorry, I didn't think of it as an obscure word. Technically it can apply to things other than animals, though. The C.O.P.S. are anthropomorphic machines for instance.
Although I guess it depends on your definition. "Anthropo" means human and "morph" is shape or form (I love how "form" is kinda like a backward version of "morph"). (EDIT: it comes from Greek, but nether "anthropo" nor "morph" are a complete Greek word either. I don't know much about Greek and Latin, my knowledge tends to stop at "this bit is used to mean that". Just to clarify.)
So technically I guess it should be things that are given human characteristics physically, but I feel it still applies for non-physical characteristics.

@Guru: yeah, I can spend a long time on TV Tropes, although not nearly as long as I can on wikipedia. I find it most useful to link to when you want to explain a concept or quickly find a list of examples, since, well, cataloging them is what it does.

I find that it adds to my vocabulary rather than take from it, though. There are some concepts that didn't really have a name before they gave it one (although it's not like they invented all of the words, either). The way I see it, that's why you end up having trouble finding other words for them: they don't exist.

[GuruGuru214]

Yeah, you're probably right about that. And I've had the Wikipedia problem too, but TV Tropes is so much more effective at completely killing a night for me. And while it does add to your vocabulary, that's what ruins it. Because I know if I'd said "lampshaded" in that conversation I had earlier tonight, my friend wouldn't have had any idea what I was talking about.

[Avistew]

But you could have said "lampshaded" and then explained ("pointing out a flaw and making fun of it" for instance, although it would depend on the context), thereby enriching your friends vocabulary too
But yeah, I get you, if you become impossible to understand it does suck. But the way I see it, you're having trouble explaining a concept to someone who doesn't know a specific word, but if you didn't know that word either, you might not even identify the concept or wrap your mind around it. It would have been just as hard to express it, you just wouldn't have known that.
So you're still better off.

Plus a lot of the words are rather self-explanatory, which helps.

[GuruGuru214]

Hmm...perhaps. Anyway, to bring the thread full circle back to boobs, here's several breast-related tropes:

Buxom is Better
Big Breasts Big Deal
Most Common Superpower
Gainaxing (which is what the whole Dead or Alive conversation was about)
Boobs of Steel
Big Bra to Fill
Gag Boobs
Marshmallow Hell
Funbag Airbag
Thanks for the Mammaries

[The Highway]

Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

Buxom is Better
Big Breasts Big Deal
Most Common Superpower
Gainaxing (which is what the whole Dead or Alive conversation was about)
Boobs of Steel
Big Bra to Fill
Gag Boobs
Marshmallow Hell
Funbag Airbag
Thanks for the Mammaries

God, it's like going to a bad pun making factory!

[GuruGuru214]

Yeah...that's pretty much standard for TV Tropes article titles.

[Avistew]

Hehe, I love doing Marshmallow Hell (didn't know there was a word for it!). It's sadistic and charitable at the same time, I love it!

Other links that aren't really tropes but discuss breast sizes:
- Conversion from "real sizes" to "comic/anime/manga sizes". That is, what's "average" in both, etc.
It seems wrong in that it puts the European cups as the same as the Japanese and different from the US/UK ones, and I can assure you that's US cups and EUR cups are the same.
- Useful note on bra sizes in case you don't know how they work.

[Brainiac]

Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

I'm not alone! Every once in a while I'll catch myself trying to use TV Tropes vocabulary on here. And just tonight, I was having a conversation and found myself struggling to find an alternative way to say "lampshaded". And I started reading the site less than a month ago. It's true, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary. And damn fast, too.

Just so you know, the term "lampshade hanging" predates TVTropes by many years.

[Avistew]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Just so you know, the term "lampshade hanging" predates TVTropes by many years.

Yeah, but I assume that's where he learned it. TV Tropes didn't invent most of the terms it's using, it took them from various sources, but that's still where a lot of people first heard of terms and therefore they contribute to its use.

Although I have to say I feel lampshade hanging was indeed commonly used before TV tropes even existed. This being said, now you're apparently supposed to say "lampshading" instead.

[GuruGuru214]

I was aware that lampshade hanging predated TV Tropes, but as Avistew surmised, that is where I learned it, so I assumed it to not be very widely used and therefore assumed that the person I was talking to wouldn't know it.

[Vainamoinen]

Originally Posted by Irishmile

Its possible comic books could fill its own thread... its a balance of what is real and what people want to see... but that could be the very definition of all art

James Gurney would agree, but he doesn't really paint boobs with a certain... kick. You posted a picture from Adam Hughes, who always draws well-endowed women. I'll post links to his sites and a picture that pretty much defines his work.

http://adamhughes.deviantart.com/
http://www.justsayah.com/

Adam Hughes never went to art school. He is entirely self-taught. It really doesn't show.

[Tor]

Did anyone else spot this? (link to video)

[Avistew]

We're famous!
Then again, it's an active thread, it's probably the last updated thread often enough.