Sam & Max, Heroes or Anti-Heroes?

[Fyuran]

Ahoy there everyone!

There's this debate going on in my head, i personally consider both Sam and Max as Anti-Heroes, with Max slighty more "evil", almost good to be a villain himself

[Hatley]

Sam is more of the hero while Max lingers towards anti-hero status in my opinion.

[Nintomster]

I think they are both heroes. Just that Max likes to do it more violently.
Remember this quote:

Sam: (Something about saving the world, can't remember where.)
Max: Sometimes on purpose!

So, they are sort of heroes, just do things a different way.

[kane]

good and evil is reload like me i got a someone how descent care as my contents and a hard core evil guy as the person to tell me to do bad

[SlasherMan]

Well im gonna say there a little of both sometimes they act responsible in what they do like when Max poked the eyes of a bad guy who tried to assault a woman in Monkeys violating the heavenly temple, stopping the purse snatcher in that same story and stopping a store robbery in On the Road. Although not being the case all the time like when Sam threw a bomb at a bus in Hit the Road or Max shooting bystanders in on the road.

[ABlackEyedPea]

They're very close to anti-hero on how they handle their cases, but I gotta say they're mostly heroes. Jerks who are careless about collateral damage, but even Max seems more out to terrorize and annoy people and beat the crap out of those who deserve it than anything else. When it comes down to it, both care about life in general, do what they can to save others and aren't REALLY the sociopaths they're made out to be in dialogue.

The only human who's permanently died directly because of their actions was Chuckles, and we don't even know that considering the influence of their actions in the second season.

There was probably nobody on that bus, anyway.

[Shwoo]

They're antiheroes. They're the good guys, because Sam wants to be and Max goes along with it, I think, and they save things, but in some ways they're the opposite of heroic. So they're antiheroes. That's the definition, as far as I can figure out.

Originally Posted by Nintomster

I think they are both heroes. Just that Max likes to do it more violently.
Remember this quote:

Sam: (Something about saving the world, can't remember where.)
Max: Sometimes on purpose!

So, they are sort of heroes, just do things a different way.

It was:

Spirit of Christmas Present: It is your own selfish actions that have brought this to pass!
Sam: Selfish? We're Freelance Police!
Max: We save the world. Sometimes on purpose!

[kane]

sam and max are sam and max not heroes or anti-heroes

[ABlackEyedPea]

Originally Posted by kane

sam and max are sam and max not heroes or anti-heroes

Looks like we got ourselves an Objectivist, here.

[kane]

um what is an Objectivist

[ABlackEyedPea]

Originally Posted by kane

um what is an Objectivist

Let me Google that for you.

[Breakman]

They are anti-heroes, specifically, chaotic good. Sometimes they are chaotic neutral. It all depends on how they woke up in the morning.

Originally Posted by ABlackEyedPea

The only human who's permanently died directly because of their actions was Chuckles, and we don't even know that considering the influence of their actions in the second season.

They killed a lot of people in Heavenly Temple and their creepy neighbor Mr Ahtoo. They always have justifications for their actions (even though most of them are pretty out there or vague but all tie into law and order), especially when they think they are in the wrong (though they are usually spot-on with their first impressions of people).

[ABlackEyedPea]

They didn't do it just because they were criminals, though. They did it because they themselves were in mortal danger. Same thing with the head time bomb, if you think about it.

At least in Heavenly Temple. I only have the 1995 version of Surfin' the Highway, so I don't know nothin' 'bout no Ahtoo. D:

But anyways, that's like saying Indiana Jones or Han Solo are anti-heroes because they kill when they're in danger. You can't say that because they're still good guys on the whole. They can be sardonic, but that's just them wanting some gratitude for saving your bum. In fact, Indy kills much more often than Sam and Max do.

[alexonfyre]

Originally Posted by kane

good and evil is reload like me i got a someone how descent care as my contents and a hard core evil guy as the person to tell me to do bad

I agree with this.

[ABlackEyedPea]

Originally Posted by alexonfyre

I agree with this.

I could barely understand it.

[Breakman]

Originally Posted by ABlackEyedPea

They didn't do it just because they were criminals, though. They did it because they themselves were in mortal danger. Same thing with the head time bomb, if you think about it.

At least in Heavenly Temple. I only have the 1995 version of Surfin' the Highway, so I don't know nothin' 'bout no Ahtoo. D:

But anyways, that's like saying Indiana Jones or Han Solo are anti-heroes because they kill when they're in danger. You can't say that because they're still good guys on the whole. They can be sardonic, but that's just them wanting some gratitude for saving your bum. In fact, Indy kills much more often than Sam and Max do.

I didn't say killing people made them anti-heroes. I was just replying to your comment that they only killed one person.

I wanted to mention (before the internet ate my first and second attempts to reply to this thread) that Sam and Max don't kill people just for the fun of it. Sure, they love their chaos and mayhem but towards people who they think deserve it.

Originally Posted by ABlackEyedPea

I could barely understand it.

You and me both. It's like deciphering Scooby Doo or something... ^^;

[kane]

ha ps Objectivist

[ABlackEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Breakman

I didn't say killing people made them anti-heroes. I was just replying to your comment that they only killed one person.

I wanted to mention (before the internet ate my first and second attempts to reply to this thread) that Sam and Max don't kill people just for the fun of it. Sure, they love their chaos and mayhem but towards people who they think deserve it.

I really just wanted to say that Sam and Max aren't as sociopathic as people think they are. Which you agree with! So good!

But you're right -- they killed quite a few people, upon retrospect. In the comics, at least.

Originally Posted by Breakman

You and me both. It's like deciphering Scooby Doo or something... ^^;

I think I still have my James Bond Jr. Secret Decoder ring.

It's, uh, in the trash. At the dump. For years. >_>

[DrFurball]

What most would call "heroes" don't have a wing of Hell dedicated to them.

Sure, they have saved the world a few times, repaired history, rescued helpless manatees, run over an evil spirit, stopped alien invasions, ect...which does make them seem heroic until you look at stuff like:
shooting a clown and at people filming a TV series, tattooing wrestling masks on some bullies, playing a banjo and bagpipe, shoplifting...and that's only in the comics!

Definitely anti-heroes.

[kane]

le-talon cos a thermopile distortion max likes girls but he shouldn't and they haven't reaped it yet