The Newly Regenerated Doctor Who Thread

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by coolsome

Im not saying you should like it or that the fan base is wrong. But I just posted my views on Torchwood and you snap basically saying cos I like that episode and not sharing this fan base views I'm an idiot whose opinion don't count.

Heh, I just really, really don't like torchwood and need an easy way to dismiss people's opinions on it. Because I'm mean.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Ribs

Heh, I just really, really don't like torchwood and need an easy way to dismiss people's opinions on it. Because I'm mean.

Can't resist.

[FitzoliverJ]

But, hey, we all hate "Blake's 7", right?!

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by FitzoliverJ

But, hey, we all hate "Blake's 7", right?!

I might, but it's not available legally outside of Regions 2 and 4. :/

[Friar]

I really don't get the hate for the new-who master. He played the role fantastically, and it built upon the fact they were friends as kids. They couldn't have been friends if he was evil all along? That must mean he was driven evil, by some madness, i.e. the drumming. I quite enjoyed the drumming arc. And as for why it was never mentioned before, you can blame the time war for that. The time war rewrote history, and with it the master's driving force. And he's still evil. I mean, he effectively killed the entire human race in Utopia, and turned them into mechanical balls. He gave no thought to killing one in ten people when taking over the earth. He planned to wage war on the entire universe. He killed a woman in a kebab van!

And I think that at it's heart, Utopia/The sound of drums/Last of the timelords are decent episodes. The first two definitely are. The second one could be with a small amount of rewriting. (I.e. no golem/jesus doctor, instead using the psychic power of the sattelites to allow him to project a mental forcefield to protect against the laser screwdriver, reverse the effects of the ageing and allow him to move objects (i.e. knock the device flying)) Plus it leads nicely into the doctor being to powerfull in "A good man goes to war".

And I thought "The end of time" was pretty decent. The only scenes I don't really like are the ones where he's scoffing down food with the line "Dinner Time!". But that can be forgiven.

The thing I like about Jon Simms' Master is that he was like a parallel version of the doctor. What he could have been if he'd been the one driven mad. Something not really seen since Roger Delgado.

But yeah, different opinions. I would have loved to see Moffat tackle him. Oh well, that's what the Big Finish audio's are for!

[Ribs]

I still prefer the Master as eat-kittens evil like Ainley played him.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Ribs

I still prefer the Master as eat-kittens evil like Ainley played him.

Meow!!

[Alcoremortis]

Originally Posted by Ribs

Why did the Master age the Doctor 100 years and he became Gollum, when the First Doctor died of old age at 450-ish?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the opinion that the Doctor was aged to 900 years to make him Yoda. And I'm not sure that the First Doctor's death was entirely due to natural old age. I mean, he was in a weird time speedy up thing at the time which could be interpreted a variety of ways. At least, that's what I remember.

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by Alcoremortis

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the opinion that the Doctor was aged to 900 years to make him Yoda. And I'm not sure that the First Doctor's death was entirely due to natural old age. I mean, he was in a weird time speedy up thing at the time which could be interpreted a variety of ways. At least, that's what I remember.

The point still stands: The First Doctor aged 450 years, and still was humanoid. The Master then aged the Tenth Doctor merely 100 years, and he became Gollum.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by Ribs

The point still stands: The First Doctor aged 450 years, and still was humanoid. The Master then aged the Tenth Doctor merely 100 years, and he became Gollum.

It probably ages him 100 Time Lord years not human years. Like dog years are different to human years.

[Alcoremortis]

Originally Posted by Ribs

The point still stands: The First Doctor aged 450 years, and still was humanoid. The Master then aged the Tenth Doctor merely 100 years, and he became Gollum.

Were you referring to the first aging spree or the second one, then? I think I might have misunderstood you. If it was the first one, then it's altogether possible that the age discrepancy is merely due to availability of special effects now as opposed to when the First Doctor was shot. If you're referring to the mini-Doctor in a birdcage...well I'm fairly sure that was 900 years, not 100 and makes a bit more sense as to why there's such a change.

Of course, it all comes back to the fact that this is Doctor Who we're talking about, a show in which canon can be disregarded at the writer's leisure and has repeatedly been done so throughout it's history. It's high time that we wrote a No Prize worthy explanation to all of this!

[LuigiHann]

Originally Posted by Friar

I really don't get the hate for the new-who master.

Do people really hate this version of the Master? I thought he was a pretty well-written and well-acted character. It's just that the episodes he appears in are pretty terrible for reasons mostly unrelated to the character himself. I suppose I can sympathize with people disliking the story so much that they hate the character as a result, but I rather liked his frantic, sometimes joyful evilness.

But yeah that aging thing was five kinds of stupid.

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by LuigiHann

well-written

Ha!

[LuigiHann]

Perhaps my memory is being generous to the character's dialog. I haven't gone back and rewatched those episodes since the first time, due to their aforementioned terribleness

[Ribs]

Originally Posted by LuigiHann

Perhaps my memory is being generous to the character's dialog. I haven't gone back and rewatched those episodes since the first time, due to their aforementioned terribleness

No, it's just I am unfairly cruel to Russell T Davies' writing abilities.

Picked up the CCs Home Truths and Transit of Venus for a plane ride. I am beyond excited for the latter because Captain James Cook is one of the least recognized explorers from history plus I did a report on him all those years ago in Fourth Grade. Also the first Seven/Ace/Hex adventure, The Harvest.

[Darth Marsden]

OK. Here is my theory regarding the Doctor's age.

The Doctor refers to his age in Gallifreyan years and Earth years. Hence how he can be 1000 in Sylvester McCoy's era (he celebrates his 1000th birthday in one of the audios, so he must be at least around that age in the TV series), yet have de-aged to just over 900 in the recent TV series (and that gradually increases to match the length of the new show).

As for why? Well, it makes sense he'd use Gallifreyan years when Gallifrey is still there and he's a proud member of an existing race. But once Gallifrey has gone and he's the last of his kind, referring to the time scale of his lost home planet would bring up bad memories, so he switches to his 'other' home world, Earth. It also means he freaks out his companions a little less, though admittedly 900 isn't all that much better than 1100 (which he must be by now, surely).

Anyway. As for the whole Golum thing... Time Lords physically age much, much slower than humans. It's how they live so long. The Master basically took that away from the Doctor, making him look his 900 (or 1100, whatever) years.

Think of it in human terms. If we live to be 100, we get smaller and more wrinkled, right? What would happen if we we kept alive till we were, say, 200? How much smaller and wrinkled would we look then? We'd probably look like Hans Moleman. Apply that to Time Lord standards, and we get Golum.

There. Now be quiet and give me my God-Damn No-Prize.

[coolsome]

But Hans is only 31.

[Darth Marsden]

Look. LOOK like Hans Moleman. Stop trying to poke holes in my logic.

[LuigiHann]

I think it actually helps your argument. If Hans Moleman can look 100 years old when he's only 31, then Tenth Doctor can look like he's 2000 years old when he's only 1000. Clearly the laser screwdriver hit him with a decades-of-beer-and-cigarettes ray.

[Friar]

There's finally a use for facebook credits! You can use them to rent doctor who episodes. (unlimited watches of a serial over 48 hours for about £1). Not bad. When I sort out my bank account, I'll be watching "The greatest show in the galaxy" and "Attack of the cybermen"