Jurassic Park 4

[waroftheworlds01]

Since I'm a Terminator fan I have to come in and defend the last two films. I agree that they are no where near as good as the first two but Terminator 3 was still a fun movie. I got a lot of laughs out of it and it had some neat action scenes. It was really nothing more than rehash of everthing the first movies did but with less story. And I was okay with that because for me the offical Cannon of the series ends with T2.

And I also really enjoyed Terminator Salvation. I didn't like that they had transformer like robots in it and I fet that the motorbike terminators were a bit much but I liked the story. And I thought it had a lot more heart than the third film. I liked how the new terminator was made to feel pain so it was more human. And I liked SkyNets plan to get John Conner to them. I thought that was clever. I also liked Arnolds (photoshoped) entrence into the movie. When I went go see it I had not read up on the movie so I was surprised and geeked out when I saw Arnold in there. And that whole last fight with the Terminator was epic.

Maybe it's because I wasn't expecting much from these movies that I enjoyed them. But they are not as good as the first two obviously. Oh, and T2 is the best hands down.

As for Batman and Robin....outch. I don't mind Batman Forever. Aside from Two-Face trying to act too much like the Joker I like the movie. Batman and Robin though...no.... just no. Face Palm through the whole movie.

[robotpo]

Originally Posted by EvilDeadFan

What will it be about? We got two great directors once again. Spielberg and Johnson, and hopefully a better plot than most of JP 3 or dinosaur mercenaries!

I believe it's dead, Jim. Spielberg usually loses interest in a film series after two or three installments:

JP - 3 films

Indy - 4 films, with a 19-year-break between the third and fourth, which only got made because George Lucas wore him down until he agreed to do it

Back to the Future - 3 films

Men in Black - 3 films, with a decade between 2 and 3

IE, he gets bored and wants to move on, as most creative people do. I don't blame him for wanting to find new stories to tell, but I DO blame people for their mistakes...I MEAN, for his insisting JP4 would happen for years, then not making it.

It's a far, far consolation prize, but he's returning to dinosaurs this summer with the awful-looking "Terra Nova"...

http://terranovable.com/

[waroftheworlds01]

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I think Terra Nova looks good.
I tend to like things others don't. lol

[Davies]

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

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I think Terra Nova looks good.
I tend to like things others don't. lol

Oh, I don't know. I know plenty of people who enjoyed Terminator Salvation, I secretly hate them but I do know them

Joking aside, I just watched the trailer for Terra Nova and I agree that it looked pretty cool to me. Not that there was much to see in a teaser trailer like that but I thought it came across as Jurassic Park meets LOST, which is okay in my book.

*Prepares to get blasted for slagging off many a movie and then admitting my love for LOST*

[waroftheworlds01]

I love Lost too. Hands down my favorite TV show of all times. I was sad to see it go off the air. But at least there was a conclusion. It sucks when you get so invested into a show just for them to cancle it without doing a conclusion season.

[Davies]

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

I love Lost too. Hands down my favorite TV show of all times. I was sad to see it go off the air. But at least there was a conclusion. It sucks when you get so invested into a show just for them to cancle it without doing a conclusion season.

Tell me about, it just downright sucks when that happens. I must say though that I'm hoping that ABC will continue with LOST in a few years even though the previous chapter has been closed. I want to see what happens with Ben, Hurley and Walt on the Island, if you watched the 10 minute after season special then you'll know what I'm talking about

[waroftheworlds01]

I saw the whole Hurley, Ben, and Walt thing on the DVD release. I'm intrested in what that could lead to as well.


MY BAD!! SPOLIERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOLIER!!!!!! SPOLIER
And I have to ask. What did you think of the Lost ending? I mean, am I the only one who thinks that they weren't dead the whole time? I know that they were dead when they were in the church in the last season. But everthing that happened on the island did indeed happen. It was after all they had died on the island after the crash when they entered that pergatory world where they were living a second life and re-discovering each other and not when the plane crashed. Or at least that's how I saw it. I guess it's really up to the viewer to decide that.

[Davies]

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

I saw the whole Hurley, Ben, and Walt thing on the DVD release. I'm intrested in what that could lead to as well.

And I have to ask. What did you think of the Lost ending? I mean, am I the only one who thinks that they weren't dead the whole time? I know that they were dead when they were in the church in the last season. But everthing that happened on the island did indeed happen. It was after all they had died on the island after the crash when they entered that pergatory world where they were living a second life and re-discovering each other and not when the plane crashed. Or at least that's how I saw it. I guess it's really up to the viewer to decide that.

You may want to add a spoiler notice to your post but I'll add my two cents...

SPOLIER WARNING [IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED LOST AND DON'T WANT THE ENDING SPOLIT, THEN READ NO FURTHER... YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED]
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Although you are correct that the ending and many aspects of the show are open to interprtation (the makers intended it that way and I completely agree with that decesion), I do believe that I've read the intensions of the writers in the past. Basically, you're spot on! Everything that happened on the Island did indeed take place.

As you said, the purgatory aspect is a way for the deceased to meet up and remember how important each of them was in each others life (so that they may pass into the afterlife at peace). That space exists in a place where time has no relevance, which is to say that someone who died during season 2 will arrive there at the same time as someone who lived on and died many years after they had left the Island following season 6.

The Island itself is in essence the Garden of Eden, the point of all creation and the light is what allows life and time to exist. The light flows from its source (the cave where the Man In Black transformed into the smoke monster) and travels to different areas throughout the Island (these are the areas that the Dharma Initiative discovered and attempted to study; the Swan being a prime example of this). From the Island the light travels through the ocean and around the entire world, thus maintaining life. It could be argued that the light represents God.

Of course, as the light travels further away from the source and across the Earth it becomes less potent (think along the lines of adding water to concentrated orange juice), which leaves just the Island with the highly concentrated power. As the light controls time as well as life, manipulation of the light (as performed initially by the MIB) allows the Island to travel to different points in time.

Remember how the Jacob explained to Hurley that the Island acts as a cork and if the Island were to be sunk (as the MIB wishes to do in order to escape his eternal torture as Smokie) then life would end? Basically, if the Island sinks then the light goes out (imagine pouring a bottle of water out of its reciprocal).

Another interesting point that was intended but only suggested by the writers was that Mother was a smoke monster herself, remember when she managed to somehow wipe out an entire colony of people by her self, off screen? She even warns Jacob that a fate worse then death awaits those who enter the cave where the light is; she should know

This next bit's long but bear with me...

Another thing I noticed whilst watching the 1st season for the second time was when Jack kept seeing his dad on the Island, it was always smokie (who had come across Jack's Dad's coffin in the jungle following the plane crash; hence allowing him to alter his apperance to Jack's Dad's form and also absorb his memories). If you remember, when Jack first see's the MIB as his Dad, the MIB runs away and Jack gives chase, narrowly avoiding falling off a cliff. Well...

...the MIB had hoped to get Jack to kill himself (because the MIB knew that Jack was a candidate who might protect the light but the MIB can't harm him directly...there are rules). After that failed attempt, the MIB changes tact and leads Jack to the empty coffin of his Father, leading Jack to believe that his Father is walking around the Island.

Later on in the show (6th season I think), when the MIB is trying to allie himself with Jack (boo!), he lies to Jack and "reminds" him that it was he who led Jack to the cave where there was drinking water (the same cave where the coffin was). He tells Jack that he has been watching over him and protecting him since day one, when in fact he tried to kill Jack on day one! Truly, he is the master of manipulation. Even more so than this fellow:

The other Man In Black

...which is appropriate seeming that Star Wars was an influence on LOST

[Icedhope]

I will say this about Sequels, nothing will ever live up to the original of anything, yes you can improve on the original but it doesn't mean a better story, because that's what the original is, the original.

[Stronzo]

i hope that this movie will not be an epic fail... i really hope it because i LOVE jurassic park!

[robotpo]

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

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I think Terra Nova looks good.
I tend to like things others don't. lol

I've fluctuated between excitement and trepidation for the show, heavily leaning towards the later after the super bowl spot.

I was excited when it was announced, then the early script for the pilot leaked online last year, and I lost interest, then we got news that the pilot had been rewritten and a bunch of other info that got me excited, and now the TV spot has me worried the Spielbergian "Kirby-family" dynamic and Avatar influence will sink the series...

Still going to check out at least the first season, however...

[waroftheworlds01]

@ DAVIES
That about sums up what I was thinking as well

@ robotpo
I don't like the way the get to Terra Nova either. But I'm mostly looking forward to some dinosaur action. I was a big fan of The Lost World tv sereis and I hope that Terra Nova will be somewhere near as good as that one.

[Davies]

Originally Posted by Icedhope

I will say this about Sequels, nothing will ever live up to the original of anything, yes you can improve on the original but it doesn't mean a better story, because that's what the original is, the original.

Quite. I remember hearing a quote from someone a while back (wish I could remember who), they stated that a sequel is not a film, it is a movie; a means to creating a franchise in order to make money. By the very definition of a sequel, it can not truly be a form of creative art but rather a derivative money spinner. Of course, that's not to say that there aren't good sequels out there but rather that those sequels by their very nature lack the integrity of the original.

[RexMaster]

Originally Posted by robotpo

Men in Black - 3 films, with a decade between 2 and 3

I thought we got 2 MIB films?

Originally Posted by robotpo

It's a far, far consolation prize, but he's returning to dinosaurs this summer with the awful-looking "Terra Nova"...

Sad, that show spent so much money, its like Primeval graphics + Jurassic Park, beautiful plot too, seems like its gonna be good! Im even stocking up on popcorn!

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

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I think Terra Nova looks good.

This guy is great! yes i like it too, it looks great and I'm happy Spielberg is getting closer to the franchise again of JP.

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

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I tend to like things others don't. lol

Same!


Btw, my dream JP IV would be with Spielberg and Cameron (guy who made Avatar) working together but staying true to the franchise and keeping Spielberg and WInston style graphics but having James Cameron style directing in the mix!

[Davies]

Originally Posted by RexMaster

Btw, my dream JP IV would be with Spielberg and Cameron (guy who made Avatar)

Really?! I thought you meant British politician David Cameron.

[RexMaster]

Originally Posted by Davies

Really?! I thought you meant British politician David Cameron.

Nope, dont kno him, lol. But no, James Cameron, he has made the top two grossing films of all time, Titanic and Avatar!

[Captain_Jack]

Originally Posted by Davies

Really?! I thought you meant British politician David Cameron.

Yeah, we've all been waiting on that collaboration for years...

[robotpo]

Originally Posted by waroftheworlds01

I was a big fan of The Lost World tv sereis and I hope that Terra Nova will be somewhere near as good as that one.

I enjoyed "The Lost World" series at the time as well, mostly due to seeing dinosaurs on TV occasionally and Jennifer O'Dell in a Raquel Welch-ish outfit consistently.

Originally Posted by RexMaster

I thought we got 2 MIB films?


Sad, that show spent so much money, its like Primeval graphics + Jurassic Park, beautiful plot too, seems like its gonna be good! Im even stocking up on popcorn!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_III

And yes, it looks like Primeval's level of effects, which are what's sad, (strange, since all of the "Walking With/Running From/Prehistoric Park" series have been pretty good, as far as their effects were concerned...Bob the Game Keeper, on the other hand, is another story)!

Terra Nova's plot is an "Earth 2/Avatar/Lost/Land of the Lost" mix, and amount of money spent does not = quality...I'm very, very nervous about this show!

[waroftheworlds01]

Originally Posted by robotpo

Jennifer O'Dell in a Raquel Welch-ish outfit

Another part of the show that always got me coming back. lol
She should have been in more shows. I know she had a few roles in other tv shows but they were always special guest appearences.

[Marsbergen]

The dinosaurs in Jurassic Park 4 will have feathers and gnarly colour schemes.