The DeLorean explanation (merged threads)

[Kale]

Ok playing the first ep again cleared many things.

The beginning was a dream of course. And the duplicate thing was explained by Doc himself in the game.

But one new thing I noticed, when Marty is going to 1931 from 1986 - the last time departed time flashes very quickly and shows up a time with a year 20xx. AND when coming up with Doc he seems quite confused what Marty is talking about so it might be that Doc is in trouble in "two times at once"

It's not like it's crystal clear but just something I wibed from the game as a long time BttF fan. Might be only a hunch but then again the game (and as well as the movies) has shown that nothing is without a meaning.

I haven't read the forums throughoutly so I guess there are many other who have noticed the same things and made their own predictions on them - but these are mine

I love the feeling this game gives me, it is like living through again something from the past (the movies and me being the biggest fan of BttF in town then) and getting all sorts of new twists to it - without distrupting my old memories about it. It leaves the movies at their own respected value and gives us a lot more to value in the future. It's like it's made for me by someone who likes it (BttF in all) as much as I do.

[Michael J Fox is Canadian]

Originally Posted by Kale

Ok playing the first ep again cleared many things.

The beginning was a dream of course. And the duplicate thing was explained by Doc himself in the game.

But one new thing I noticed, when Marty is going to 1931 from 1986 - the last time departed time flashes very quickly and shows up a time with a year 20xx. AND when coming up with Doc he seems quite confused what Marty is talking about so it might be that Doc is in trouble in "two times at once"

It's not like it's crystal clear but just something I wibed from the game as a long time BttF fan. Might be only a hunch but then again the game (and as well as the movies) has shown that nothing is without a meaning.

I haven't read the forums throughoutly so I guess there are many other who have noticed the same things and made their own predictions on them - but these are mine

I love the feeling this game gives me, it is like living through again something from the past (the movies and me being the biggest fan of BttF in town then) and getting all sorts of new twists to it - without distrupting my old memories about it. It leaves the movies at their own respected value and gives us a lot more to value in the future. It's like it's made for me by someone who likes it (BttF in all) as much as I do.

It actually flashes 28xx. You can likely assume it's broken unless Einstein knows how to use the delorean himself. Doc originally dies in 1931 so that had to have been his last stop (though we do know he has been in the future to 2011 and 2025 at least once).


I'm glad this is being done into a game as well. I think the time has come and gone for another sequel to the films especially given Michael J fox's health and trutfhully the third film tied up all of Marty's plotlineas at the time. But given the possibility of time travel, there definitely are a million possibilities for what happens next so video games are a great way to continue the story without ruing a great franchise with inferior sequels.

[AutoDMC]

Originally Posted by PsychoRaven

Those wondering why Doc wasn't duplicated with the Delorean just need to remember one thing. Sometimes in a movie/game you must realize that sometimes something exist or happens the way it does just because it makes for a better story or gives a convenient reason for doing something a character is doing.

If you're wonderin' how he eats and breathes, and other science facts/Just repeat to yourself it's just a show/And you really should relax!

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I like this idea just because: In-the-game-Doc is the duplicate Doc who appears in the future with the duplicate DeLorean. Doc-in-the-past tells Marty to destroy the DeLorean and he does so at the end of the last movie.

In-the-game-Doc decides he's always wanted to visit the Wild West and goes back. Finding himself there he discusses his adventures in time traveling with Doc-in-the-past and assures him that the timeline is more resilient than we worry about. This is NOT a paradox because at the moment lightning strikes, there becomes two completely separate Docs, with two completely separate timelines.

This complete-BSing answers something that's bugged me. Why would the Doc be so hell-bent on destroying the time machine, only to create another one not that much later? And how did he get the parts to convert the train? He could barely make ice, let alone a nuclear powered train. But if In-the-game-Doc tells him all about his adventures and how safe it is if you're careful, it would reignite the exploring urge of Doc-in-the-past. And In-the-game-Doc can provide parts and conversion help.

In the process, In-the-game-Doc learns about Doc-in-the-past's adventures with Marty. So when he finds himself needing help, he's able to bluff Marty into believing he's "his" Doc. We all know Doc doesn't mind lying. And Marty doesn't care... he's too happy having "Doc" back to ever even really ask.

That's my answer. I'd be playing BTTF3 instead of writing crazy things on the forum, but Steam still doesn't have it in my library, so instead you get my insane ramblings

[Mordaki987]

It doesn't explain though what happened to his wife and 2 kids anywhere in the games story line that i have found. unless they are trying to make edna docs new love interest.

Originally Posted by PsychoRaven

It's easy to miss. Basically after you talk to young doc and you go back to doc to find out how to get young doc to help you there it's in all those dialog options. You have to scroll down a bit.

You should see options like why are you in 1931? How did you end up in jail? Time circuits are on the fritz, etc. There are several options and you can miss some if you don't keep scrolling down. When you do one is point blank asking about the Delorean.

[Masta23]

How do you know that there are 2 docs? It was only mentioned that there were 2 delorreans.

[Dark Byte]

What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?

[Masta23]

Originally Posted by Dark Byte

What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?

I presume Doc disappeared because he never would have invented time travel, which means that he never would had that procedure which added 30-40 years to his life and made him look younger. This means that as the timeline got altered Doc disappeared becasue he would have died of old age?

[AutoDMC]

Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?

Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."

Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.

[Michael J Fox is Canadian]

Originally Posted by Dark Byte

What I don't get is that why does the doc disappear into his current incarnation and marty does not ? Why didn't marty disappear and turn into a nerd ?

Some of these timelines i'm about to use are fabricated, it's just an example to illustrate this;

assume doc is born in 1913. He'd be 72 years old in 1985 and spends 28 years on his various time travels in the previous timelines making him 100 years old. In the FCB timeline, doc doesnt time travel and dies somewhere between 1986 and 2013 (the year he turns 100). So this is why he disappears, he does not live to his current age in the new timeline while marty is only 2 weeks older.

[Shadowknight1]

Originally Posted by AutoDMC

Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?

Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."

Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.

The Doc we're interacting with can't be the duplicate Doc for several reasons: A) The wedding band. This Doc has obviously gotten married; B) If you exhaust all conversation options with Doc in Episode 1, you find that the reason he hasn't come back to visit Marty recently was that he was busy raising his own children; C) Most telling of all is Einstein. Einstein was NOT in the DeLorean when it was struck by lightning, so he never would have been duplicated, and Einstein was clearly picked up by Doc at the end of Back to the Future Part III.

[LuigiHann]

Originally Posted by Flyingman356

Biff got hit by a car door. That didn't prevent anything.

I mean when they go back to 1955 and take the Almanac away and burn it. They prevent Biff's 1985-A from ever existing, which means the time that they spent there never happened.

Originally Posted by ewanm89

Where would a time travel story be without a good paradox?

I just like it when the ending of the plot resolves a paradox, rather than causes one. Like I said, BTTF1 did it well.

[AutoDMC]

Originally Posted by Shadowknight1

The Doc we're interacting with can't be the duplicate Doc for several reasons: A) The wedding band. This Doc has obviously gotten married; B) If you exhaust all conversation options with Doc in Episode 1, you find that the reason he hasn't come back to visit Marty recently was that he was busy raising his own children; C) Most telling of all is Einstein. Einstein was NOT in the DeLorean when it was struck by lightning, so he never would have been duplicated, and Einstein was clearly picked up by Doc at the end of Back to the Future Part III.

The problem is, you trust Doc. I don't. Doc Brown has been shown in the movies to be a liar who hides the truth whenever he thinks he needs to in order to manipulate Marty or anyone else around him. He makes high-flying statements about protecting the time stream around Marty, but whenever Marty turns his back on Doc, Mr. Brown's busy building another time machine.

My rationalization above (and now I'm just having fun) assumes that, sometime after BTTF:III, Doc-in-the-game and Doc-in-the-past met up. Doc-in-the-game would have met Clara, would have met the kids, would have convinced Doc-in-the-past that Time Travel is great fun, and assisted him in building his time travelling train.

It's also entirely possible that Doc-in-the-game got hold of Einstein. Perhaps Einstein got sick in the past, or perhaps Einie decided he wanted to hang out with the Doc that didn't have tons of annoying kids.

In either case, Doc Brown finds himself in jail, about to be shot. Needing to save his own skin he'd tell Marty anything.

[Masta23]

Originally Posted by AutoDMC

Masta23, if you're asking your question at me, I *don't* know that there are two Docs. However, Doc was in the car when it was struck by lightning. For Doc to not be duplicated, we need some complex theory that somehow by virtue of Doc being a main character and the Delorean being a prop, only the Delorean was duplicated. Mumbo-jumbo about midichloreans or perhaps a soul is necessary. Or you have to explain how come, if the internal cabin was "safe", how come the time circuits, control panels, steering wheels, etc, are all still there?

Occam's Razor makes me choose that Doc was duplicated as well, and therefore my rationalization above. Doc-in-the-game is not Doc-in-the-past, but the duplicate which landed with the Delorean. This doesn't make him any less "Doc."

Also, I haven't yet played Episode 3, so I can't integrate the new shenanigans seen therein. However, if Young-Doc gives up time travel, then both Doc-in-the-past and Doc-in-the-game would disappear as they have a common source.

Well I don't think the in game Doc is a Duplicate Doc because he knew about Clara. Surely the duplicate Doc wouldn't have this knowledge?

[AutoDMC]

Originally Posted by Masta23

Well I don't think the in game Doc is a Duplicate Doc because he knew about Clara. Surely the duplicate Doc wouldn't have this knowledge?

See my post above. Doc-in-the-past needs to build a time train. Using what? Telegraph wires? Steam valves*? In the 50's Doc had to build a huge panel on the hood of the DeLorean out of discrete components in order to replace a few burned out time circuits which were made out of a couple of microchips? And somehow he needs to generate 1.21 Gigawatts with a steam engine?

He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.

* Anyone stuck using Steam to get BTTF:Ep 3 knows how unreliable steam is! I kid, I kid.

[divisionten]

Originally Posted by AutoDMC

He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.

See, I COULD just imagine Doc going to the far-flung future just for the opportunity to walk into a convenience store and buy plutonium. Just to say that he could do it.

[Masta23]

Originally Posted by AutoDMC

See my post above. Doc-in-the-past needs to build a time train. Using what? Telegraph wires? Steam valves*? In the 50's Doc had to build a huge panel on the hood of the DeLorean out of discrete components in order to replace a few burned out time circuits which were made out of a couple of microchips? And somehow he needs to generate 1.21 Gigawatts with a steam engine?

He had help. And the only person in this BTTF universe with the knowledge and the ability to drive to the nearest convenience store and buy plutonium would be Doc-in-the-game, sitting in his duplicate DeLorean.

* Anyone stuck using Steam to get BTTF:Ep 3 knows how unreliable steam is! I kid, I kid.

That's true. It is impossible that Doc could make another flux capacitor in 1885. He had parts from the hoverboard but is that enough? They needed a lightning strike in 1955 to generate the 1.21 Gigawatts.

[AutoDMC]

I completely forgot about the hoverboard. Assuming it uses antigravity, and assuming antigravity works by monkeying with mass, it's possible that the hoverboard has enough power to run the time circuits... maybe. Assuming you could build the circuits.

[DarkGod]

Hi everyone,
I've read here and there that the DeLorean appeared at the beginning of chapter one is a time duplicate. My question is: when has Doc ever explained it? I've done chapter 1 at least 5 times but can't find out! Please do tell me! If not, you're just a lousy hooligan!

[Shadowknight1]

Originally Posted by DarkGod

Hi everyone,
I've read here and there that the DeLorean appeared at the beginning of chapter one is a time duplicate. My question is: when has Doc ever explained it? I've done chapter 1 at least 5 times but can't find out! Please do tell me! If not, you're just a lousy hooligan!

Talk to Doc while he's in prison. Go through all the dialog options.

[zelda42293]

Talk to Doc again after you call his house and learn his younger self is at the courthouse. Go through each dialog option, and eventually an option about the DeLorean comes up.