Anticipation/Doubt

[MusicallyInspired]

I keep waving back and forth between Pessimistic and Upset. I've not gone past Pessimistic, though, and I won't until I play the demo and see for myself. If the demo doesn't impress me, or worse if it depresses me, the whole thing will be a write-off for me. I'll just go about my daily life as if it never happened and not even acknowledge it. I'll consider it a bad fangame that's worth completely ignoring. I'll choose 'pessimistic' for now. But I'll probably end up 'upset' again in the future.

I will not pay money and support Telltale's rape of the KQ legacy if that's what it turns out to be. On the other hand, if it turns out great I'll be too happy to pay. But it's gotta be really really great.

[thom-22]

Originally Posted by Simo Sakari Aaltonen

Indeed, the naysayers seem to be rather selective in their reading and quoting.

Selective because the quote includes only the firm statements and omits the maybes? It would be useful if you could actually demonstrate that the selective quote is misleading instead of just implying it and writing off the quoter as a naysayer. It's just possible, you know, that the partial quote was selected because it is representative. In fact, it's not the first time something like this has been said.

...the thing is, games *have* to be reasonably easy, because if someone can win a game, they'll be more interested in buying the next one. Ditching the concept of commercial viability and making an incredibly difficult, fan-centric game is an excellent idea for die hard fans, but a company which intends to make more than one game MUST pay attention to what sells and what doesn't. We can't make a super hard game just because we think the idea is cool... these games cost an incredible amount of money to make and if we don't get a return on that we can't make more :P"

That's a quote from a different Telltale team member. Here is the whole post, in context, so I can't be accused of selectivity. Even more telling is what was said just prior:

Multiple difficulty levels... It's a cool idea, and I'm not going to be all "We'll NEVER do that" because someday someone will quote it and start screaming, but it would add a ton of extra effort for our programmers and I really doubt it would make the game significantly 'better.'

So there's real cause for doubt about that list of maybes that was left out of the first citation. (Please note that I'm aware the context of the two discussions is slightly different; the post I've cited was focused on difficulty level, whereas in the KQ forum the issue has been framed, somewhat sloppily IMO, as exploration vs. story. But it all boils down to Telltale's attitudes towards gameplay.)

You see, the skepticism being expressed here is not just pulled out of thin air. It is based on observation and analysis of patterns and trends in Telltale's past behavior, their response to fan queries, their existing games, as well as statements by various personnel.

If you have actual evidence and reasoning to offset the skepticism expressed in this thread, please do provide them. I am always willing to adjust my views when warranted by facts or logic. But blind faith and mislabeling as naysayers, or haters, or whiners those whose views discomfort you is a poor substitute for rational counter-arguments.

[MusicallyInspired]

Originally Posted by thom-22

You see, the skepticism being expressed here is not just pulled out of thin air. It is based on observation and analysis of patterns and trends in Telltale's past behavior, their response to fan queries, their existing games, as well as statements by various personnel.

This. I can't stress enough this point. While many of you are basing your excitement and optimism (even to the point of raw fanboyism) on what you expect to happen we're basing our skepticism on real facts and not sensationalist extremes.

If you have actual evidence and reasoning to offset the skepticism expressed in this thread, please do provide them. I am always willing to adjust my views when warranted by facts or logic. But blind faith and mislabeling as naysayers, or haters, or whiners those whose views discomfort you is a poor substitute for rational counter-arguments.

Well stated.

[Rather Dashing]

Hahaha Alan.

[Marty]

I vote unsure. I'd like to be optimistic, but given that TT havent really improved on their game design, it prevents me from being overly estatic

[SHODANFreeman]

Unsure, never been a KQ fan, and at this point, I am not really certain I will enjoy any of TTG's future endeavors.

[der_ketzer]

Cautiously Optimistic: I hope they can do it but I don't really have faith in it. But I am waiting for the demo to see if they can pull it off.

[doom saber]

Cautiously optimistic: Was happy when Sam and Max was announced, but was disappointed in the direction they have taken the game. Same with KQ. I am happy that the KQ is being resurrected, but wouldn't be suprised it isn't as good as the previous KQ games

[Alan Johnson]

Hahaha Rather Dashing. I'm allowed to be excited.

[LeChuck1986]

Unsure.

Depends for me on the following:
1. Are they following th BttF route (damn easy puzzles, and lack of puzzles) or a(n) (almost) Sierra like route.
2. Are they getting outside help (Like Roberta Williams) to help with the mythos or not (Like they got Bob Gale for BttF as a consultant for the story etc)

[adventureaddict]

I'm cautiously optimistic, but it could easily lower.
I'm also one of the few who favours KQ7 over the others, and would love to have that sort of atmosphere and death scenes which aren't too punishing.
I also can't seem to picture a good 3D Kings Quest game.
Only time will tell.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by Alan Johnson

Hahaha Rather Dashing. I'm allowed to be excited.

I just found it amusing, is all. No accusations here.

Other than...

...

Did you change my poll so the results weren't public?

[wilco64256]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

I just found it amusing, is all. No accusations here.

Other than...

...

Did you change my poll so the results weren't public?

I still see the results at the top of both pages of the thread, maybe you just hit a random glitch?

[thesporkman]

Originally Posted by wilco64256

I still see the results at the top of both pages of the thread, maybe you just hit a random glitch?

He means you can't see who voted for what by clicking on the numbers anymore.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

I just found it amusing, is all. No accusations here.

Other than...

...

Did you change my poll so the results weren't public?

Probably did it so the rest of the team can dump votes into excited and skew the results.

[Rather Dashing]

A great conspiracy theory, but it doesn't exactly add up. I'm pretty sure that's the number of votes we had in the category when it was public. =P

[Scnew]

I can see being pessimistic about it, sure, but upset about it? What's to be upset about? If it's good, it's good. If it sucks, well, King's Quest already ended on a low note anyway.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

that's the number of votes we had in the category when it was public. =P

Or was it?

[Anakin Skywalker]

Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

I keep waving back and forth between Pessimistic and Upset. I've not gone past Pessimistic, though, and I won't until I play the demo and see for myself. If the demo doesn't impress me, or worse if it depresses me, the whole thing will be a write-off for me. I'll just go about my daily life as if it never happened and not even acknowledge it. I'll consider it a bad fangame that's worth completely ignoring. I'll choose 'pessimistic' for now. But I'll probably end up 'upset' again in the future.

I will not pay money and support Telltale's rape of the KQ legacy if that's what it turns out to be. On the other hand, if it turns out great I'll be too happy to pay. But it's gotta be really really great.

Basically, you ain't gonna like it unless it's better than KQ6 which it wouldn't be even if Jane or Roberta were writing the plot. You're setting it up to an unrealistic standard which you logically know it can't reach in order to justify hating it, because you've been bitter and biased from the beginning because your team didn't get picked. Jealousy is such, such an ugly thing.

[MusicallyInspired]

Originally Posted by Scnew

I can see being pessimistic about it, sure, but upset about it? What's to be upset about? If it's good, it's good. If it sucks, well, King's Quest already ended on a low note anyway.

In your opinion.