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Koomazaz · 07/01/2010, 05:26 pm

Hey guys,

I think the "Hot Hawks" puzzle should have at least one additional solution.

*SPOILERS*

This is the birds puzzle which has more gnomes than total bird-power, and you are supposed to leave out one of the birds. Rather than leave out a bird, I chose to have some of the birds carry less than their maximum weight. There is no rule saying that each bird must carry its maximum weight, and I feel that my solution is equally valid. In fact, having a bird carry no gnomes means that it is carrying infinitely less than its max weight.

*END SPOILERS*

Here is a link to my solution (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3348/hothawks.png), which I believe should be added as a possible answer to the puzzle.

What do you guys think?

Koomazaz

NotFury · 07/01/2010, 05:36 pm

Didn't it say "Each bird is at maximum capacity"?

Zak · 07/01/2010, 06:21 pm

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Originally Posted by NotFury

Didn't it say "Each bird is at maximum capacity"?

Only on the first bird puzzle. This is the third (?) variation of that puzzle, which is optional.

browen · 07/01/2010, 07:01 pm

I did this solution too, I don't understand why the game does not accept it.

kksmith · 07/01/2010, 08:59 pm

Ditto, it was kind of disappointing

der_ketzer · 07/01/2010, 09:21 pm

Edit: interesting.

elzbenz · 07/01/2010, 10:43 pm

Well, wouldn't you assume it work under the same rules as it's predecessors? I don't believe this is a valid answer.

Although... in this puzzle you have to leave out one of the birds... that's not really "Each bird is at maximum capacity" is it...

Koomazaz · 07/01/2010, 10:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by elzbenz

Well, wouldn't you assume it work under the same rules as it's predecessors? I don't believe this is a valid answer.

Although... in this puzzle you have to leave out one of the birds... that's not really "Each bird is at maximum capacity" is it...

My guess is that they dropped that rule because of the fact that you have to leave out a bird, but may not have thought of the case when all birds are used but not at full capacity.

I dunno. It would be nice to see this fixed in a future version.

Elvenmonk · 07/01/2010, 10:56 pm

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Originally Posted by browen

I did this solution too, I don't understand why the game does not accept it.

Same. I like how that little bird does nothing though.
I'd also done another one that wasn't accepted.

Jota · 07/02/2010, 07:42 am

I agree. I submitted a couple of answers like that before finally resorting to a hint and was very annoyed when I found out why my solutions were being rejected.

Pinchpenny · 07/02/2010, 08:36 am

Yeah, this one bugged me too. I submitted loads of answers before, like Jota, resorting to the hints and becoming frustrated that my correct solutions weren't being accepted due a missing explanation.

DaVince · 07/02/2010, 08:47 am

Same here! Looks like it's a common solution that had been overseen. If there were a rule that the bird can only carry EXACTLY that weight and not less (ie. 2 blue bird feet on a single gnome), the puzzle would have been fine.

Derwin · 07/02/2010, 09:39 am

Did same solution, and was quite frustrated that it wasn't accepted (fit all criteria/rules).

flesk · 07/05/2010, 04:53 am

Same here. Makes it impossible to finish the game with a perfect score with skill alone.

xbskid · 07/05/2010, 08:28 am

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Originally Posted by DaVince

Same here! Looks like it's a common solution that had been overseen. If there were a rule that the bird can only carry EXACTLY that weight and not less (ie. 2 blue bird feet on a single gnome), the puzzle would have been fine.

No it wouldn't, because if you left out the one bird, it wouldn't be carrying exactly its capacity.

doodinthemood · 07/05/2010, 08:45 am

The blue bird was carrying a world of guilt from having to make the other birds do all the work. It was at maximum capacity for that.

alexonfyre · 07/05/2010, 09:34 am

Yeah, once I realized the game had some semantic problems (discussed in depth in many threads) I started looking at the math of the situation and realized what they meant (though I had a major

)
I wish it would have said (on both puzzles): "the blue bird can carry no more and no less than 1 on each of its legs, the mallard can carry no more and no less than 2 on each of its legs..."

Would have been much more clear.

Forbin · 07/05/2010, 10:12 am

I think you guys are jumping to conclusions that the "maximum capacity" constraint would be put on this puzzle. Weren't there 4 of these puzzles in total, with only the first one requiring the birds to be carrying a full load? Even if it did apply, one bird carrying nothing would fail that requirement.

It just looks like an oversight to me.

Ramshackle · 07/05/2010, 11:59 am

As I pointed out in the Hot Hawks topic in the Hint forum, I also tried this solution first and was disappointed to have it rejected by the game.

I hope it wasn't intentional to keep the rules of the puzzles ambiguous (I would consider that a fundamental design flaw for a game like this), and that it is indeed just a simple oversight.

Hassat Hunter · 07/05/2010, 12:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Forbin

Weren't there 4 of these puzzles in total, with only the first one requiring the birds to be carrying a full load? Even if it did apply, one bird carrying nothing would fail that requirement.

Actually, out of the 4 3 required it. And the 4th suddenly dropped it without mentioning. Or, actually, it required it, unless the bird was unloaded at all...

It's pretty bad all around.

07/01/2010, 05:26 pm	#1
Koomazaz xTrEmE Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I do live. Posts: 20	Alternate Solution to "Hot Hawks" Puzzle Hey guys, I think the "Hot Hawks" puzzle should have at least one additional solution. SPOILERS This is the birds puzzle which has more gnomes than total bird-power, and you are supposed to leave out one of the birds. Rather than leave out a bird, I chose to have some of the birds carry less than their maximum weight. There is no rule saying that each bird must carry its maximum weight, and I feel that my solution is equally valid. In fact, having a bird carry no gnomes means that it is carrying infinitely less than its max weight. END SPOILERS Here is a link to my solution (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3348/hothawks.png), which I believe should be added as a possible answer to the puzzle. What do you guys think? Koomazaz Last edited by Koomazaz; 07/01/2010 at 10:57 pm.

07/02/2010, 08:36 am	#11
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07/01/2010, 05:36 pm	#2
NotFury Banned Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 40	Didn't it say "Each bird is at maximum capacity"?

07/01/2010, 07:01 pm	#4
browen Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 36	I did this solution too, I don't understand why the game does not accept it.

07/01/2010, 08:59 pm	#5
kksmith Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 60	Ditto, it was kind of disappointing

07/01/2010, 10:43 pm	#7
elzbenz Still Have an Eye Avatar Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 87	Well, wouldn't you assume it work under the same rules as it's predecessors? I don't believe this is a valid answer. Although... in this puzzle you have to leave out one of the birds... that's not really "Each bird is at maximum capacity" is it...

07/02/2010, 07:42 am	#10
Jota Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 19	I agree. I submitted a couple of answers like that before finally resorting to a hint and was very annoyed when I found out why my solutions were being rejected.

07/02/2010, 08:47 am	#12
DaVince Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 131	Same here! Looks like it's a common solution that had been overseen. If there were a rule that the bird can only carry EXACTLY that weight and not less (ie. 2 blue bird feet on a single gnome), the puzzle would have been fine.

07/02/2010, 09:39 am	#13
Derwin Max's PH-Neutral Chewtoy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 736	Did same solution, and was quite frustrated that it wasn't accepted (fit all criteria/rules).

07/05/2010, 04:53 am	#14
flesk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 682	Same here. Makes it impossible to finish the game with a perfect score with skill alone.

07/05/2010, 10:12 am	#18
Forbin Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9	I think you guys are jumping to conclusions that the "maximum capacity" constraint would be put on this puzzle. Weren't there 4 of these puzzles in total, with only the first one requiring the birds to be carrying a full load? Even if it did apply, one bird carrying nothing would fail that requirement. It just looks like an oversight to me.

07/05/2010, 11:59 am	#19
Ramshackle Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2	As I pointed out in the Hot Hawks topic in the Hint forum, I also tried this solution first and was disappointed to have it rejected by the game. I hope it wasn't intentional to keep the rules of the puzzles ambiguous (I would consider that a fundamental design flaw for a game like this), and that it is indeed just a simple oversight.

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