PSN Hack.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Well good thing then, because anyone who agreed to their PSN agreement also agreed that Sony is not liable for any money lost due to an external attack. Of course, I'm sure that won't stop some people from trying to sue. But coolsome is right, it's going to be the banks, if anybody, that have to reimburse users, not Sony.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

Well good thing then, because anyone who agreed to their PSN agreement also agreed that Sony is not liable for any money lost due to an external attack. Of course, I'm sure that won't stop some people from trying to sue. But coolsome is right, it's going to be the banks, if anybody, that have to reimburse users, not Sony.

People have already filed lawsuits.

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Sure, because they see it as a way of making a quick buck. People sue for anything in this country.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by nOmArch

I was referring to the way they treated George Hotz. Not having secure servers is another issue altogether.

The way they acted fully within the boundaries of the law and attempted to prosecute someone who knowingly and willfully violated the terms of service he agreed to when he turned his PS3 on, and not only that, illegally reverse engineered their software and proceeded to provide the information he obtained on the internet?

This is like if someone stole your car, and you pressed charges when he got caught, and a bunch of his buddies showed up not only at your house, but at every member of your extended family's houses, and beat the hell out of you all to get revenge on you for attempting to protect your own property from scumbag criminals.

[Nintendo Boy1]

Wow this is more interesting then that Project Cafe crap that keeps filling up my inbox. I wonder how they'll get out of this mess, or will they?

[nOmArch]

yup.

[JedExodus]

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

The way they acted fully within the boundaries of the law and attempted to prosecute someone who knowingly and willfully violated the terms of service he agreed to when he turned his PS3 on, and not only that, illegally reverse engineered their software and proceeded to provide the information he obtained on the internet?

Way to tow the company line. People will always try to reverse engineer consoles for piracy, that's the way of the world. Regardless, if I buy something and I want to modify it I damn well will, it's mine. Only when you start to put the tools to explicitly pirate games into peoples hands then it's a matter for the courts. There's fantastic homebrew scenes out there for the Dreamcast, Wii and even Sony's own PSP that breathe a lot of functionality and life into them. If developers encouraged homebrew support and legitiamised then we wouldn't have this whole debacle where Hotz was under fire because it would be blatant his intention was piracy

Originally Posted by SHODANFreeman

This is like if someone stole your car, and you pressed charges when he got caught, and a bunch of his buddies showed up not only at your house, but at every member of your extended family's houses, and beat the hell out of you all to get revenge on you for attempting to protect your own property from scumbag criminals.

It's bad juju alright, but I was under the impression that Anon had bowed out, it seems to be only a handful of bad eggs from the write-ups i've read at any rate. At any rate for the first part it's not like stealing a car, it's more akin to changing your stock headlights and being taken to court by Toyota

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by JedExodus

Way to tow the company line. People will always try to reverse engineer consoles for piracy, that's the way of the world. Regardless, if I buy something and I want to modify it I damn well will, it's mine. Only when you start to put the tools to explicitly pirate games into peoples hands then it's a matter for the courts. There's fantastic homebrew scenes out there for the Dreamcast, Wii and even Sony's own PSP that breathe a lot of functionality and life into them. If developers encouraged homebrew support and legitiamised then we wouldn't have this whole debacle where Hotz was under fire because it would be blatant his intention was piracy



It's bad juju alright, but I was under the impression that Anon had bowed out, it seems to be only a handful of bad eggs from the write-ups i've read at any rate. At any rate for the first part it's not like stealing a car, it's more akin to changing your stock headlights and being taken to court by Toyota

Except that what Hotz did severely compromised the system in many many ways, and he made it public for anyone that wanted to do it, which caused pretty serious damage to PS3 and Sony as a whole. This isn't like he just installed some mod chip into his own PS3 and didn't bother anyone, what he did caused a huge amount of damage to the platform.

[coolsome]

I got an email from Sony saying what everyones known since yesterday. Does this mean Im one of the people whos info was stolen or has everyone with a psn acc got this mail?

[BlankCanvasDJ]

Originally Posted by coolsome

I got an email from Sony saying what everyones known since yesterday. Does this mean Im one of the people whos info was stolen or has everyone with a psn acc got this mail?

I haven't gotten one... What does it say?

The thing that bothers me most about all this is tha- ...What? He is? Ok, I'm on my way. Sorry, guys, Hector's calling me, I gotta go.

[coolsome]

Originally Posted by BlankCanvasDJ

I haven't gotten one... What does it say?

Valued PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country,
email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login,
and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip),
and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may
have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your
dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have
been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit
card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have
provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity,
out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email,
telephone and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive
information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email,
asking for your credit card number, social security number or other
personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information,
you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation
Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that
you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation
Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or
accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them as well.

[coolsome]

Since all I can do is watch my bank for any activity till (forever?) I guess I'm gonna have to accept that its out of my control and hope nothing happens and move on. Still I think were owed some sort of compensation for all this.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by coolsome

Since all I can do is watch my bank for any activity till (forever?) I guess I'm gonna have to accept that its out of my control and hope nothing happens and move on. Still I think were owed some sort of compensation for all this.

I have no doubt that Sony will give us compensation for this. I'd say most likely to happen is a few months free of Playstation Plus (which equates to free games and discounts etc.).

[Alcoremortis]

Originally Posted by coolsome

Since all I can do is watch my bank for any activity till (forever?) I guess I'm gonna have to accept that its out of my control and hope nothing happens and move on. Still I think were owed some sort of compensation for all this.

I had my information compromised once when my university's health care database got hacked. It sucked. Especially since the thing that really worried me was identity theft because, with that, someone could create additional credit cards without you knowing and run up a huge bill before you notice.

What I did was I put an extra pass code on my accounts that the bank asks for before extra accounts like credit ones can be added. Seems a bit pointless in retrospect, seeing as I don't really have anything to steal. It's a bit of a hassle, but it does make it more difficult for people to steal your money. Don't know how much this helps.

[MusicallyInspired]

Apparently they are being investigated by a bunch of government officials as to whether they actually took personal information security seriously. Sony's stock plummeted just these past couple days.

[waroftheworlds01]

I got the email as well.

So far, they haven't confirmed but at the same time they haven't ruled out that Credit Card information was stolen. I'm worried more about that then if they got my email address. I've already changed the password for that just incase and Im going to change my PSN password as soon as I'm able too. But that still leaves my name, address (city, state, zip), country, and birthday and I don't plan on changing those any time soon. lol

[coolsome]

I found out who Hacked PSN.

[SHODANFreeman]

Originally Posted by MusicallyInspired

Apparently they are being investigated by a bunch of government officials as to whether they actually took personal information security seriously. Sony's stock plummeted just these past couple days.

That happens any time there is a security breach at any corporation. It's standard protocol. Whether or not anything comes out of it is the question.

[Gman5852]

Interesting enough, both Nintendo and Microsoft had their online services down for a little with me. I wonder if they are making sure right now.

[Woodsyblue]

He he