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der_ketzer · 04/27/2011, 10:23 pm

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Originally Posted by doodinthemood

For anyone who thinks psychonauts meat circus, read this, then rage:

You can just throw confusion grenades at the rabbit then pick it up.

That is not what made the level horrible for me. This little brat that just wouldn't STFU killed my mood more than anything else.

Joop · 04/27/2011, 11:34 pm

Actually, most of the Nintendo games named in here I never had a problem with.
I never found the Water Temple that hard, I never found the bad bird rag level in DKC hard.

I've never used strategy guides either, although I have, on a blue monday, used a faq to help me in collecting every little thing.

dumpling321 · 04/28/2011, 02:31 am

I HATE swimming levels... except for the banjo-kazooie/tooie swimming levels, I have hated every swimming level i've ever encountered... also anything with a nautical theme I generally hate, idk why but I do...

Chyron8472 · 04/28/2011, 04:26 am

Really? I like the Super Mario Bros. 1 and Donkey Kong Country swimming levels

doodinthemood · 04/28/2011, 05:00 am

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Originally Posted by dumpling321

I HATE swimming levels... except for the banjo-kazooie/tooie swimming levels, I have hated every swimming level i've ever encountered... also anything with a nautical theme I generally hate, idk why but I do...

Hmmm. I'm not too fond of swimming levels either. I think it's cos, to make it realistic, they make your character glide a bit, so controlling can be annoying.

Hayden · 04/28/2011, 05:34 am

I have never been a fan of underwater/swimming levels, or even levels where you have to go in water at all for extended periods of time. Especially when there are also things in the water that can kill you, and you can only stay underwater for a limited amount of time. The worst of this, I found, was in 'Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine', when I had to search through a big half-sunken ship of some sort, and I had to swim long distances without drowning Indy, whilst also trying to avoid sharks at the same time.

I can't remember much about this part of the game (it was a long time ago); all I remember is that I really hated it.

JuntMonkey · 04/28/2011, 08:33 am

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Water Temple.

As obtuse a puzzle as I ever saw. Was the game that forced me to reset and start over, because I was entirely sure I'd used a key in the wrong place and ended up with no ability to make forward progress. Lately I've heard I was wrong, but I hear different information on that. Anyway, it sucked.

Disagree. It's all there logically, it's not like an adventure game puzzle where you have to randomly figure out that you have to eat half of an apple and then use it to stabilize a desk leg so that you can write a letter on the desk using a feather and blueberries.

I had the problem of not being able to find a key as well, but right before I was going to give up I realized there was one last thing I hadn't tried. There it was.

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

See collecting was cool in Mario 64 because you had a discernible end with clues. Rare took obscure collecting and made it its own genre

Yea, M64 and Kazooie were great - DK64 and Banjo-Tooie went too far with collecting. With Mario and Kazooie, you felt you had to get everything - nothing was wasted, everything was an interesting challenge. In DK64 and BT it was just insanity with crap everywhere. I didn't bother getting all of the stuff in those games because the games didn't give me enough reason to care. Same with Mario Sunshine. Galaxy brought me back to being a 100%'er (well, not counting beating the whole thing again with Luigi).

BlankCanvasDJ · 04/28/2011, 09:08 am

The dung hill level in Conker Reloaded. That level was crap.

Alcoremortis · 04/28/2011, 09:12 am

Armakuni · 04/28/2011, 09:30 am

Last Ninja 3 had pretty badly designed levels, very annoying and confusing.
I love the series but LN3 is by far the weakest entry... the previous two games had much, much more logically laid out areas.

I tried mapping the LN3 levels (the Amiga version, I already knew the C64 levels well enough), and it's quite a headache - it's a bit hard to explain so I'll just post one of the level maps here... if you look a bit at that, you'll see what I mean about confusing levels.
The letters at the exits of the various screens signify where you will end up upon leaving the screen (A leads to another entry on another screen which is also marked with A, etc).

DAISHI · 04/28/2011, 10:32 am

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Originally Posted by JuntMonkey

Disagree. It's all there logically, it's not like an adventure game puzzle where you have to randomly figure out that you have to eat half of an apple and then use it to stabilize a desk leg so that you can write a letter on the desk using a feather and blueberries.

I had the problem of not being able to find a key as well, but right before I was going to give up I realized there was one last thing I hadn't tried. There it was.

Yea, M64 and Kazooie were great - DK64 and Banjo-Tooie went too far with collecting. With Mario and Kazooie, you felt you had to get everything - nothing was wasted, everything was an interesting challenge. In DK64 and BT it was just insanity with crap everywhere. I didn't bother getting all of the stuff in those games because the games didn't give me enough reason to care. Same with Mario Sunshine. Galaxy brought me back to being a 100%'er (well, not counting beating the whole thing again with Luigi).

Agree to disagree about Zelda.

See Mario Galaxy, was a 100%er. I even did the Luigi half, but I had to let the game rest for a few months before I went back to do that. Was actually harder because Luigi's movements are looser.

Origami · 04/28/2011, 03:02 pm

Any level that has pitfalls and is part of a game that has clunky controls a.k.a. game with high difficuly for the wrong reasons.

Yes, I am looking at you Tomb Raider: Underworld.

VeronicanPlay · 04/28/2011, 10:38 pm

The top floor in the Elevator of Doom in Project Altered Beast, the fight is so ridiculous hard with that centipede boss that I gave up on the game, and I have never touched it since...

DAISHI · 04/28/2011, 11:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Origami

Any level that has pitfalls and is part of a game that has clunky controls a.k.a. game with high difficuly for the wrong reasons.

Yes, I am looking at you Tomb Raider: Underworld.

I couldn't get past an alley or some nonsense like that in the first level and never tried again.

Davies · 04/29/2011, 04:18 am

All of Evil Dead: Hail to the King, with it's confusing, maze like layout, respawning enemies and clunky controls. A shame because the atmosphere was suitably creepy and Bruce Campbell provided the voice of Ash.

*Darth Marsden* · 04/29/2011, 05:29 am

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Originally Posted by DAISHI

I couldn't get past an alley or some nonsense like that in the first level and never tried again.

That sounds suspiciously like Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness. I've never really tried that one, but I've not really heard good things.

Davies · 04/29/2011, 12:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

That sounds suspiciously like Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness. I've never really tried that one, but I've not really heard good things.

Don't ever play that game. During the sixth level, Satan literally emerges from your screen, dances the hot fandango and claims your soul for all eternity. Needless to say, I've played better.

Origami · 04/29/2011, 01:09 pm

Tomb Raider Underworl is pretty awesome except for the sometimes clunky controls and camera. The environments are really varied and there is little to none repetition in designs. Like the Uncharted games it's a delight exploring the areas and there is a great flow.
If you're fan of platformers with organic environments and exotic locations this game is for you.

tabstis · 04/29/2011, 01:15 pm

When I was young, the worst level had to be the tank level near the end of Super Mario Bros 3...GOD that was hell at the time...

But further on, one of the most annoying moments that sticks out is the Riku boss fight from the original Kingdom Hearts. The cutscene before that was too long and too unskippable.

I have vague memories of annoying one-off levels that take me ages to complete but can't think of any more right now...

Davies · 04/29/2011, 01:24 pm

The final boss from Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I. Gaahhhhhh!

Also, the stair well level and the last boss on Metal Gear Solid under the 'hard' setting. Double Gaahhhhhh!

Although I guess that there's no denying; the tougher the level, the greater the satisfaction upon completion.

04/27/2011, 11:34 pm	#42
Joop Vocal Chord Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Panningen, The Netherlands Posts: 724	Actually, most of the Nintendo games named in here I never had a problem with. I never found the Water Temple that hard, I never found the bad bird rag level in DKC hard. I've never used strategy guides either, although I have, on a blue monday, used a faq to help me in collecting every little thing. __________________ Bound only by the paper thin wrapper of mortality, a soul here lies, struggling to be free, and so it will thanks to a bowl of bad gazpacho and a man named Calavera!

04/28/2011, 02:31 am	#43
dumpling321 stalker-zombie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 455	I HATE swimming levels... except for the banjo-kazooie/tooie swimming levels, I have hated every swimming level i've ever encountered... also anything with a nautical theme I generally hate, idk why but I do... __________________ you know when you are in the ocean and you hit a warm pocket of water?... that's where the mermaids just peed

04/28/2011, 05:34 am	#46
Hayden ...is procrastinating Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3,486	I have never been a fan of underwater/swimming levels, or even levels where you have to go in water at all for extended periods of time. Especially when there are also things in the water that can kill you, and you can only stay underwater for a limited amount of time. The worst of this, I found, was in 'Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine', when I had to search through a big half-sunken ship of some sort, and I had to swim long distances without drowning Indy, whilst also trying to avoid sharks at the same time. I can't remember much about this part of the game (it was a long time ago); all I remember is that I really hated it. __________________ Read that instead ^.

04/28/2011, 09:12 am	#49
Alcoremortis Lonely Ruffian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ankh-Morpork PD Status: Killjoy Extraordinaire Actual Posts: Lots! Posts: 4,227	__________________ ETERNAL QUEEN OF HALLOWEEN STATUS CONFERRED. ~ Comrade Pants How can we be sure that Alcoremortis isn't just Comrade Pants trollplaying as a girl? ~ GuruGuru214 You're a shiny bright star; floating amongst a million slimy slugs in a sea of sludge. You transcend the pre-conceived and supposed limits of the human race, to emerge from the pit of pitiful maggots as a beautiful, majestic butterfly. ~ Davies The suspence of what's gonna come after death is killing me! ~ Jon NA Are you a secret Plaster Princess or something? ~ Secret Fawful

04/28/2011, 03:02 pm	#52
Origami Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,515	Any level that has pitfalls and is part of a game that has clunky controls a.k.a. game with high difficuly for the wrong reasons. Yes, I am looking at you Tomb Raider: Underworld. __________________ "Usual? You lead a pretty unusual life, Doc." - Marty McFly Golden Age Whodunnit/Locked Room Murder Mystery fanatic.

04/28/2011, 04:26 am	#44
Chyron8472 Killer Walrus Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tulsa, OK, USA Posts: 4,066	Really? I like the Super Mario Bros. 1 and Donkey Kong Country swimming levels

04/28/2011, 09:08 am	#48
BlankCanvasDJ Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,069	The dung hill level in Conker Reloaded. That level was crap.

04/28/2011, 09:30 am	#50
Armakuni Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Amigastan Posts: 966	Last Ninja 3 had pretty badly designed levels, very annoying and confusing. I love the series but LN3 is by far the weakest entry... the previous two games had much, much more logically laid out areas. I tried mapping the LN3 levels (the Amiga version, I already knew the C64 levels well enough), and it's quite a headache - it's a bit hard to explain so I'll just post one of the level maps here... if you look a bit at that, you'll see what I mean about confusing levels. The letters at the exits of the various screens signify where you will end up upon leaving the screen (A leads to another entry on another screen which is also marked with A, etc).

04/28/2011, 10:38 pm	#53
VeronicanPlay Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Denmark Posts: 902	The top floor in the Elevator of Doom in Project Altered Beast, the fight is so ridiculous hard with that centipede boss that I gave up on the game, and I have never touched it since... __________________ History Abhors a Paradox. I apologize for any grammatical errors my posts might contain. My Blog Moved to a new blog, no new entries Last edited by VeronicanPlay; 05/03/2011 at 03:19 am.

04/29/2011, 04:18 am	#55
Davies The Marmite of this site Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Outside your window, staring in with malicious intent... Posts: 1,465	All of Evil Dead: Hail to the King, with it's confusing, maze like layout, respawning enemies and clunky controls. A shame because the atmosphere was suitably creepy and Bruce Campbell provided the voice of Ash. __________________ NEWEST - A reading of a short horror story written by Davies. ======================= NEW - The very first official episode of Davies' new show; 'One Man & His Cock'. ======================= Davies sings Portal's 'Still Alive'. ======================= Cockerel sings Portal 2's 'Want You gone', for Alcoremortis (feat. MC Layton). ======================= Davies sings 'I Wanna Be Like You' (from the Jungle Book).

04/29/2011, 01:09 pm	#58
Origami Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,515	Tomb Raider Underworl is pretty awesome except for the sometimes clunky controls and camera. The environments are really varied and there is little to none repetition in designs. Like the Uncharted games it's a delight exploring the areas and there is a great flow. If you're fan of platformers with organic environments and exotic locations this game is for you. __________________ "Usual? You lead a pretty unusual life, Doc." - Marty McFly Golden Age Whodunnit/Locked Room Murder Mystery fanatic.

04/29/2011, 01:15 pm	#59
tabstis Back to the Telltale Join Date: May 2010 Location: Hill Valley Posts: 938	When I was young, the worst level had to be the tank level near the end of Super Mario Bros 3...GOD that was hell at the time... But further on, one of the most annoying moments that sticks out is the Riku boss fight from the original Kingdom Hearts. The cutscene before that was too long and too unskippable. I have vague memories of annoying one-off levels that take me ages to complete but can't think of any more right now... __________________ It's About Time I Get Double Visions of Citizen Brown.

04/29/2011, 01:24 pm	#60
Davies The Marmite of this site Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Outside your window, staring in with malicious intent... Posts: 1,465	The final boss from Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode I. Gaahhhhhh! Also, the stair well level and the last boss on Metal Gear Solid under the 'hard' setting. Double Gaahhhhhh! Although I guess that there's no denying; the tougher the level, the greater the satisfaction upon completion. __________________ NEWEST - A reading of a short horror story written by Davies. ======================= NEW - The very first official episode of Davies' new show; 'One Man & His Cock'. ======================= Davies sings Portal's 'Still Alive'. ======================= Cockerel sings Portal 2's 'Want You gone', for Alcoremortis (feat. MC Layton). ======================= Davies sings 'I Wanna Be Like You' (from the Jungle Book). Last edited by Davies; 04/29/2011 at 01:28 pm.

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