Name just ONE true worth while achievement goal of the human race

[lombre]

Originally Posted by coolsome

They should set them all free! YOUR FREEEE!!!!!!

And undo everything we've ever accomplished? Are you MAD?

[Falanca]

Originally Posted by lombre

And undo everything we've ever accomplished? Are you MAD?

Aren't we having a long-running match of Jenga on the entirety of Earth's terrestrial surface anyway?

[lombre]

Originally Posted by Falanca

Aren't we having a long-running match of Jenga on the entirety of Earth's terrestrial surface anyway?

This is different. This is releasing all six-hundred and how ever the hell many Pokemon there are! The problems of "Earth" are nothing compared to this!

[coolguy721]

the internet is amazing. Lets see the aliens beat that!

[Irishmile]

Art no other animal truly creates just for the sake of it.

But this question is flawed because we are too complex to say we are good or bad as a species. We are both horrible and wonderful.. and all that falls in between.. and that could be just in the span of an hour on an individual basis.

[Secret Fawful]

Originally Posted by coolguy721

the internet is amazing. Lets see the aliens beat that!

Oh, they've probably already made the universe and it's inner information their internet. ((I've been reading too much Arthur C Clarke))

[Falanca]

Originally Posted by Irishmile

Art no other animal truly creates just for the sake of it.

But this question is flawed because we are too complex to say we are good or bad as a species. We are both horrible and wonderful.. and all that falls in between.. and that could be just in the span of an hour on an individual basis.

Art is probably present on animals, they're just too inferior (or its complexity branches out to a completely different direction from human understanding) for us to get. Humanity's not as complex, we're trying to survive but also we invented art, which is improved proportionally with the human technology which grows bigger by the time humanity's needs evolve anyway. We're still trying to survive as a colony of species, it's just that we're currently the dominant creatures of earth that has all the resources to do basically what we want. And "want" is also a "need", just more complex than plain survival but the roots are the same.

What I believe is we do art not because of the need to prove our superiority to the other creatures, but we do it to prove our DIFFERENCE from other creatures and basically our whole surroundings. I believe this trait is also shared even by procariotic beings.

[DAISHI]

I'd have to know animals were capable of abstract thought before I could believe they produced art.

[doodinthemood]

Originally Posted by coolguy721

actually thats probably the reason most aliens don't want to visit earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axj1CVG6udE

If you were an alien, the first thing you would ever discover from our civilisation is basically the above video.

The "THIS IS THE MOST CONFUSING MESS EVER" thing was never taken into account.

[Rather Dashing]

Originally Posted by doodinthemood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axj1CVG6udE

If you were an alien, the first thing you would ever discover from our civilisation is basically the above video.

The "THIS IS THE MOST CONFUSING MESS EVER" thing was never taken into account.

Unlikely. The Golden Record is floating into the vastness of space in no real particular direction. This thing is going to spend tens of thousands of years before it's even remotely near anything that something else is even possible to live on, and the most likely scenario is that the Voyager will be slowly destroyed over the course of its journey. This "message in a bottle" is unlikely to ever be read by anyone. If it is, the likelihood that mankind is even still around seems fairly low to me.

[doodinthemood]

Originally Posted by Rather Dashing

Unlikely. The Golden Record is floating into the vastness of space in no real particular direction. This thing is going to spend tens of thousands of years before it's even remotely near anything that something else is even possible to live on, and the most likely scenario is that the Voyager will be slowly destroyed over the course of its journey. This "message in a bottle" is unlikely to ever be read by anyone. If it is, the likelihood that mankind is even still around seems fairly low to me.

Yup, but then neither is anything else of ours. Even if the golden record lands nowhere, aliens may attack it.

[Rather Dashing]

You've watched too much Star Trek.

I'm telling you, the most probable outcome for the Voyager is that it will float around and get destroyed by the natural forces around it. The idea that it will be the first thing other races see of humanity seems silly because it is unlikely that anything will ever come in contact with it.

[doodinthemood]

I've watched no star trek. I know that's the most probable outcome for the voyager. It was just a light hearted comment about what would happen if aliens did come across our attempt at contact.

[Rather Dashing]

There's a Star Trek episode in which the Klingons see and immediately blow up the Voyager. Target practice.

And the Golden Record isn't our only attempt at communication, it is merely our first. It is hardly the most effective, and if any message is received and played by extraterrestrials, my bets are not on the Voyager's Golden Disc.

[RetroVortex]

Arcade machines.

Theeeeeerrreee ssssoooooo beeeaaauuuutttiiiiifffuuuuullll....

[Rather Dashing]

Where so beautiful?

[coolsome]

They are totaly awesome.

[doodo!]

We've amounted to so much, yet also so very little. Look at the bigger picture. We only make discoveries based on funding, businesses, profits. How much more could we learn in more open/ diverse fields of research? At the top of the food chain, human life has no purpose, it survives.

No war of the worlds, yet we blow each other up, war against neighboring countries. We're violent, destructive. You propose that self perseverance is a purpose, yet we are all at the same level, all human beings and we can't get along. We can't work together. Most things are structured on business, money, profit. We go on living, extend our time on earth, without even truly valuing our lives with which with in discoveries can be made. We limit our selves to research labs a small small staff or people in comparision. Small in who could of been interested, who could of been helpful in the next great big discoveries of the world.

Before, also part of the picture, some of the most brilliant minds, denied education, major break throughs driven right around. Then we ask ourselves in a almost infinite sea of variables how could the human being best discover these things, cures, inventions, discoveries, we don't know the best process, all we know is what we've been doing... But we choose the path ultimately that limits us, that delays our time out, slowly creeps us along into these discoveries.

The planet has billions of people on it...Yet, we're all starving, the richer getting richer, the poorer getting poorer, billions of dollars into debt. Research strangled at it's very neck...

Children all around the world facing these diseases without any cure, and the majority of this knowledge going to waste where it can not be afforded or understood by billions of other people on earth who with some education might advance this "knowledge" light years ahead of its time, who if could afford it, could survive...

Or are we really just this hopeless? There's billions of us here on Earth with the potential to change the world.

We're the top of the food chain and yet we struggle just to survive against our selves!

[doodinthemood]

Oh right, with stuff about starvation and poverty, were you meaning true achievements as in big evils that have been completely overcome?

In which case, we got rid of smallpox.

[doodo!]

We don't truly comprehend anything, not a single absolute thing. When we love, we don't know how to live to our fullest. Though we believe that we do, we don't fully comprehend what it would mean to love, because we're flawed. When we think that we've achieved anything, all we've achieved is a goal that we can label, and measure, test based on what limited observations we've learned to make, limited knowledge we've learned to observe, we don't understand how it ties into everything else, we don't assess all the variables, we can't read into the future and see how our actions, goals, wills, truly effect anything. We have a total lack of perception into anything we do.

We don't comprehend the best processes, the right way to do ANYTHING. We don't know how to love best, truly, we love yet we still rage wars, support the death of 1000s, abuse little animals, nothing we do is pure in infinite in the value of the universe, everything we label is falsehood!

If not falsehood truly incomplete! We have not achieved anything, all we've done is discovered things within our own limitations that we will never escape, expand because we have structured our selves within our own limitations, ignorance, and naivety ,delusions!

How can we prescribe true value and merit to any discoveries when we don't truly know how they are best suited beyond a human comprehension? We are a weak, meager race, humble before science or a God. We're a young race of intelligence and we know NOTHING. We base all value on measurements we are able to make.

Tell me one worth while thing we've truly done! How can any one determine whether or not? We prescribe the value of our own achievements based on what we're able to discover within our own limitations which as a race we ultimately have not over come. We have had the same flaws, imperfections for 1000s of years!

Even our facts are simple measurements without any truly designated purpose. Math, science, to what end? What have we achieved? What is possible, what have we observed, learned, how have we applied it. What are we missing what have we missed? What were we able to measure, comprehend? What don't we know that could help us measure more properties, what don't we know that could help us make more discoveries, new measurements?