Democracy at work...

[samusaran253]

(Red) People who don't want to ban handguns: 35,501 people
(Blue) People who want to ban handguns: 3,264 people

Here's to guns, here's to freedom!

Here's the poll: http://www.topix.com/issue/gun-control

[Irishmile]

LOL it IS America... how else do you expect us to change the channels on our TVs?

[Comrade Pants]

FUCK YES!

Oh, I love America's pro-gun ways. See that, gun banners? America loves guns. :3

[Chyron8472]

Handguns are one thing, military grade weapons are something else. There should have instead been a poll about a ban on assault weapons. That would have made more sense.

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

What website is that? If it's Fox News then idk why you're surprised.


There should have instead been a poll about a ban on assault weapons. That would have made more sense.

What on Earth is an assault weapon, anyway? What, is it the pistol grip? The bayonet lug? Or is it just because they look scary? I mean, I can understand magazine bans, but what the fuck is so bad from a functional standpoint from an "assault weapon?"

It's just a manufactured term that sounds frightening and was designed to make people pay attention to ignorant pro gun ban campaigners. Give me one bad thing about "assault weapons" (except for the magazine capacity, of course) that makes sense, and I'll consider your argument.

FYI: Military calibre rifles typically have very low penetration capabilities.

If you want to be educated, and actually know what you're debating, spend ten minutes on this video.

[Chyron8472]

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I'm talking about personal protection. A person can use a handgun to defend themselves if necessary.

Who the hell needs an AK-47, or an M16A2 or any other crap like that to defend themselves as a civilian? It's totally unnecessary. What possible use could having an assault rifle have other than to kill people en masse?

Also, are you trying to say "allow the sale and possession of a machine gun but not the ammo clip"? WTH? Does that even make sense?

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

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I'm talking about personal protection. A person can use a handgun to defend themselves if necessary.

Who the hell needs an AK-47, or an M16A2 or any other crap like that to defend themselves as a civilian? It's totally unnecessary. Are you trying to say "allow the sale and possession of a machine gun but not the ammo clip"? WTH?

It's not a machine gun, first of all. All civilian weapons manufactured since 1986 are legally required to fire in a semi automatic configuration only.

Secondly, how on Earth are those rifles any different from conventional sporting rifles? You have failed to state that, despite it being the question I asked you.

Thirdly, please use the correct nomenclature. It's 'magazine.' You really show your ignorance on this subject quite effectively, you know. It's helpful.

[Alcoremortis]

Wow! A samusaran thread where people are actually talking about the proposed topic? I'm shocked and astounded!

[Chyron8472]

I don't care. So I'm not a gun owner. So what?

Regardless, there is no practical purpose for owning a projectile weapon for personal use other than a handgun. I'm not talking about hunting rifles, that's a different issue altogether.

You don't have to attack me for using the wrong term and then use that as an argument to find my entire opinion as completely baseless. That's rude.

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

I don't care. So I'm not a gun owner. So what?

Regardless, there is no practical purpose for owning a gun for personal use other than a handgun. I'm not talking about hunting rifles, that's a different issue altogether.

I love how you failed to answer the question. Still. Good job, buddy. Furthermore, isn't it just good form to know a little something about things before you form an opinion on them? I mean, it seems reasonable to me.

Now, unless you care to actually answer my fucking question about what makes scary looking military rifles so terrible beyond their ability to accept high capacity magazines (which, by the way, most handguns can too) then I will just ignore your inane and ignorant posts on this matter.

Cheers.

[Chyron8472]

Stupid troll. Don't get your panties in a wad just because I see a problem with civilians owning assault rifles. Poor Comrade Pants feels threatened because I think there should be a ban on certain types of weapons.

Damn it. Go soak your head already.

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Stupid troll. Don't get your panties in a wad just because I see a problem with civilians owning assault rifles.

Damn it. Go soak your head already.

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I'd just like to point out that you still didn't say why they're any worse than any other category of rifle. Also, an assault rifle, by definition, has the ability to fire in full automatic. Civilian military pattern rifles can't do this.

Also, how does loving firearms and arguing with your blatant idiocy on this matter make me a troll? Please, do tell. I'm listening intently.

[Alcoremortis]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Stupid troll.

That's not a nice thing to say. And just when it was looking like there'd be a decent debate here. Perhaps you'd care for some time to prepare a counterargument and resume this on the morrow? I'd surely be interested to hear a well thought out reasoning for your position.

[puzzlebox]

Guys, if you want this thread to stay open then settle it down.

[Comrade Pants]

I'd just like to point out how hilarious it is that he's editing his posts to look more well reasoned and thought out, seemingly neglecting the fact that I quoted them all. That's funny to me.

Originally Posted by puzzlebox

Guys, if you want this thread to stay open then settle it down.

Aye, ma'am. Settling.

[Chyron8472]

Debate? You up and yelled at me out of the blue for no justifiable reason.

Yes, I feel that there is a difference between owning a hunting rifle and owning an assault weapon. No, I don't know the exact specifications, nor do I feel compelled to argue with your bitter argumentative attitude about the issue when you can't be civil about it. Yes, I know people have the constitutional right to bear arms, but I think that refers to people's ability to defend themselves or hunt.

Crime is the issue for me, okay? Why the heck does anyone need anything more powerful than a handgun to defend themselves, their home and their family? Anything more is just superfluous. It's unnecessary. There's only one other reason for owning an assault rifle than just for the sake of collecting guns, and I don't care to allow dangerously stupid people with a chip on their shoulder to have any more dangerous a weapon than would make sense for any normal person to possibly need for practical use.

So you like collecting guns and my position on the subject makes you feel threatened. So what? You don't have to be a dick about it.


...and by the way, I edit my posts for typos and grammatical errors, thanks.

[Chyron8472]

Originally Posted by puzzlebox

Guys, if you want this thread to stay open then settle it down.

You can close it for all I care. Pants is being a jerk.

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

Debate? You up and yelled at me out of the blue for no justifiable reason.

Yes, I feel that there is a difference between owning a hunting rifle and owning an assault weapon. No, I don't know the exact specifications, nor do I feel compelled to argue with your bitter argumentative attitude about the issue when you can't be civil about it. Yes, I know people have the constitutional right to bear arms, but I think that refers to people's ability to defend themselves or hunt.

Crime is the issue for me, okay? Why the heck does anyone need anything more powerful than a handgun to defend themselves, their home and their family? Anything more is just superfluous. It's unnecessary. There's only one other reason for owning an assault rifle just for the sake of collecting guns, and I don't care to allow dangerously stupid people with a chip on their shoulder to have any more dangerous a weapon than would make sense for any normal person to possibly need for practical use.

So you like collecting guns and my position on the subject makes you feel threatened. So what? You don't have to be a dick about it.

I would be fine with this line of reasoning if you could explain what makes a military pattern rifle any worse than any other semi-automatic rifle. Is that really such an awful thing? Furthermore, I have been just as civil (if not better informed) as you, and reading the original versions of your posts will make this clear.

Nice job trying to cover your tracks, buddy.

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

...and by the way, I edit my posts for typos and grammatical errors, thanks.

Couldn't resist this little gem. I have seen you editing to appear less aggressive, better informed and all in all more like you were just minding your business and I just jumped you out of nowhere. Smooth.

[Chyron8472]

I'm not covering my tracks. Don't be ridiculous.

Fine then. Why the hell does anyone need any semi-automatic rifle at all? Why? For what purpose other than hunting does someone need a semi-automatic weapon? Why even then? How fancy does a hunting rifle need to me to be useful? How much game does one plan to kill in quick succession?

Also, no you won't be fine with any line of reasoning since you attacked me at the outset, and you have yet to show any respect whatsoever for my opinion.

[Comrade Pants]

Originally Posted by Chyron8472

I'm not covering my tracks. Don't be ridiculous.

Fine then. Why the hell does anyone need any semi-automatic rifle at all? Why? For what purpose other than hunting does someone need a semi-automatic weapon? Why even then? How fancy does a hunting rifle need to me to be useful? How much game does one plan to kill in quick succession?

Also, no you won't be fine with any line of reasoning since you attacked me at the outset, and you have yet to show any respect whatsoever for my opinion.

Then why are you editing your posts, bro?

You are aware that often times, one shot isn't enough to do the job, right? Take for example a deer. While I ordinarily wouldn't hunt with my AK due to the 7.62x39mm round's low penetration rate, let's say my first shot didn't kill the deer. Well, I would need to follow up to cut short the animal's suffering. However, in the time needed to manually cycle a bolt, the deer may well have fled.

Furthermore, in self defence, pretty much all handguns are semi-automatic. So, there goes that argument from the outset. AKs, M16s and other alleged "assault weapons" are widely used in the United States for self defence against home invasion due to their low rate of penetration and low cost of ownership, maintenance and ammunition.

Finally, I would be quite fine with your reasoning if it made sense. I'll respect your opinions once you base them on something more than scary buzzwords and cursory knowledge of the subject.