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doodo! · 09/01/2011, 04:57 am

This should make alot of you happy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PviEAbN4b1w

The originals are provided, if people forget how to find older copies that's their problem. The reality is the films are 30-20 years old and Lucas likes to upgrade them and so you have to get your own copies if you want original copies, or lazerdisc, who cares, whatever copies. It is what it is. Lucas never took the originals and upgraded them to be more crisp, never. If you want to watch Star Wars old school make a VCD or something. I'm sure the technology to make Blu rays from VHS and that sort of thing is out there....

The originals will look old, dated, and that's fine with me. This is simply Luca's property and his project. And, he's up front about it. This is what he does and this is how he does it. It's got nothing to do with what you want. It is what it is, and he does what he does, and he's been doing it for 2 decades, it's nothing new.

Forget it, I resign from this thread. Peace everyone.

Chyron8472 · 09/01/2011, 05:19 am

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Originally Posted by Ribs

I do care about Star Wars. I love Star Wars. However, I respect the filmmaker's opinion if he thinks things need to be changed and therefore any new cuts are superior.

But they're not superior.

*GuruGuru214* · 09/01/2011, 05:21 am

Guys, since this didn't work the way Icedhope tried it, I'm going to rephrase.

Calm the fuck down.

Chyron8472 · 09/01/2011, 05:24 am

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Originally Posted by doodo!

If you want to watch Star Wars old school make a VCD or something. I'm sure the technology to make Blu rays from VHS and that sort of thing is out there....

Getting 1080p HD quality picture from old degraded low-res video recorded on magnetic tape. Yeah. Good luck with that.

Ribs · 09/01/2011, 05:36 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

But they're not superior.

The filmmaker's opinion is the one that matters. If you disagree, that's too bad, but I'd agree with the filmmaker's vision.

Chyron8472 · 09/01/2011, 05:47 am

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Originally Posted by Ribs

The filmmaker's opinion is the one that matters. If you disagree, that's too bad, but I'd agree with the filmmaker's vision.

You suggest that George Lucas is infallible and that any decision he makes is warranted--even necessary, no matter how far removed from the feel of the original work.

*Darth Marsden* · 09/01/2011, 05:49 am

Look. Whether we agree with the Blu-Ray changes or not, can we all agree to one thing? That this is awesome.

Ribs · 09/01/2011, 05:49 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

You suggest that George Lucas is infallible and that any decision he makes is warranted--even necessary, no matter how far removed from the feel of the original work.

Yes. He made the first two movies, wrote all of them, and owns the rights to them. Anything he says is superior should therefore be the definitive version, and they shouldn't bother with re-releasing the existing cuts.

Chyron8472 · 09/01/2011, 05:54 am

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Originally Posted by Ribs

Yes. He made the first two movies, wrote all of them, and owns the rights to them. Anything he says is superior should therefore be the definitive version, and they shouldn't bother with re-releasing the existing cuts.

So if he replaces Chewy with a Tribble, puts a mickey mouse hat on Luke's head and replaces Billy Dee Williams' lines with voiceover work by Gilbert Gottfried and calls it definitive, you'd have no problem with it?

Ribs · 09/01/2011, 05:56 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

So if he replaces Chewy with a Tribble, puts a mickey mouse hat on Luke's head and replaces Billy Dee Williams' lines with voiceover work by Gilbert Gottfried and calls it definitive, you'd have no problem with it?

Yes. It's his film, and I won't disagree with the filmmaker.

DAISHI · 09/01/2011, 06:03 am

In theory I agree with Ribs, especially since I do get frustrated when fans of a work think they have more right to a work than the creator.

Not saying I always agree with the creator but it is their product.

tobar · 09/01/2011, 06:32 am

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Originally Posted by GuruGuru214

Guys, since this didn't work the way Icedhope tried it, I'm going to rephrase.

Calm the fuck down.

The discussion has not at all become heated and your post is the first in the thread to use heated profanity. If you're afraid of Lucasfilm for some reason then close the thread. Otherwise let us continue this discussion.

Majus · 09/01/2011, 06:34 am

I found the real new footage!

tobar · 09/01/2011, 06:37 am

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Originally Posted by Majus

I found the real new footage!

Hah, nice. As Leia once said, "It could be worse..."

Majus · 09/01/2011, 06:40 am

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Originally Posted by tobar

Hah, nice. As Leia once said, "It could be worse..."

Someone already had the idea? Curses.

tobar · 09/01/2011, 06:53 am

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Originally Posted by doodo!

This should make alot of you happy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PviEAbN4b1w

Why should this make us happy? I'm a big fan of Ady's work but in the end it's just another special edition.

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Originally Posted by doodo!

He isn't ruining anything, I like my original copies, I don't give a flying shit if they aren't touched up or if it's a laserdisc transfer....I prefer watching it on laserdisc so that I can see all the film grain...yep...upgrading it to be more crisp, whatever in REALITY is yet another revision.

Yes removing the natural grain like they did for the 2004 release is another revision. I don't know if you own very many blu-rays but quite a lot of them retain their natural grain. Film inherently contains a LOT more picture data than even our 1080p HD televisions can display. That's why most film transfers are done at 8k. Those laserdisc masters have a horrible resolution and have lost a lot of detail. Not to mention the fact that they're riddled with horrible artifacting problems that leave the picture in even more of a mess.

It is not hard or prohibitively expensive to create HD transfers of films. Especially not for a company as big as Lucasfilm. Heck, even the ripoff space adventure films that were spawned because of Star Wars are now being released on blu-ray. So why keep condoning the suppression of the original films? If they're not properly preserved soon they will be lost.

Friar · 09/01/2011, 06:54 am

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Originally Posted by Chyron8472

-.- What a stupid response. You obviously care nothing about Star Wars.

Star Wars belongs to the fans as much as it belongs to George Lucas. We love Star Wars as it once was before this Special Edition crap. Many of us grew up with it; feel a connection with the characters; find the story to be compelling... oh and there's so much more to it than just that.

With one hand, George is taking our money hand over fist, and with the other he is beating us about the head and shoulders with a baseball bat.

Implying that having vader scream "noooo" ruins the story or character connection. I really don't see what's wrong with the changes. There's nothing there that ruins the experience. Who know's, maybe it was his original intention to have it sounding/looking like this. If he had released it originally like this, and then edited it to make it like the original versions, people would still complain. The guy's an artist, his work is never done. You don't have to buy the sets anyway. The DVD versions will upscale in a blu-ray player, afterall.

*Darth Marsden* · 09/01/2011, 08:18 am

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Originally Posted by tobar

Hah, nice. As Leia once said, "It could be worse..."

I actually had a lot of fun exploring the other videos by this guy. He's got a re-edit of Revenge of the Sith planned, and he's showcasing a lot of the work on his YouTube account. Take a look, it's really very impressive.

tobar · 09/01/2011, 08:27 am

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Originally Posted by Darth Marsden

I actually had a lot of fun exploring the other videos by this guy.

Here's something else you might want to check out.

Friar · 09/01/2011, 09:02 am

The way I see it, the changes are like website changes. Everyone who used the thing before frequently, instantly hates the change, even if it's for the better.

09/01/2011, 04:57 am	#41
doodo! Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,268	This should make alot of you happy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PviEAbN4b1w The originals are provided, if people forget how to find older copies that's their problem. The reality is the films are 30-20 years old and Lucas likes to upgrade them and so you have to get your own copies if you want original copies, or lazerdisc, who cares, whatever copies. It is what it is. Lucas never took the originals and upgraded them to be more crisp, never. If you want to watch Star Wars old school make a VCD or something. I'm sure the technology to make Blu rays from VHS and that sort of thing is out there.... The originals will look old, dated, and that's fine with me. This is simply Luca's property and his project. And, he's up front about it. This is what he does and this is how he does it. It's got nothing to do with what you want. It is what it is, and he does what he does, and he's been doing it for 2 decades, it's nothing new. Forget it, I resign from this thread. Peace everyone. Last edited by doodo!; 09/01/2011 at 05:03 am.

09/01/2011, 05:21 am	#43
GuruGuru214 Crazy Windmill Mod Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kakariko Windmill Windmill Status: Going Around Posts: 6,376	Guys, since this didn't work the way Icedhope tried it, I'm going to rephrase. Calm the fuck down. __________________ The preceding post was made by a volunteer community moderator, not a Telltale Games employee, and does not reflect the opinions of Telltale Games. Remember, only you can prevent forum fires. Completed series runs: Kingdom Hearts (Timeline Order, Pre-DDD, 10/25/10 - 2/6/11) - Zelda (Release Order, 3/13/11 - 4/6/12) - Metroid (Timeline Order, 4/21/12 - 10/17/12)

09/01/2011, 06:03 am	#51
DAISHI TELLTALE STEALTH NINJA Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,117	In theory I agree with Ribs, especially since I do get frustrated when fans of a work think they have more right to a work than the creator. Not saying I always agree with the creator but it is their product. __________________ "Hah! It's like we don't even have feelings. Now pardon me while I recline in my huge executive chair and guffaw, cigar in-hand. " "ill just go with what Winslow always when something that funny about a location in monkey island is said"

09/01/2011, 06:34 am	#53
Majus Mighty Cinematic Artist Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Back in germany. Mostly. Posts: 531	I found the real new footage! __________________ The »I wonder what happens…«-Flashfilm-Series! Episode I: I wonder what happens in »Launch of the Screaming Narwhal« Episode II: I wonder what happens in »The Siege of Spinner Cay« Episode III: I wonder what happens in »Lair of the Leviathan« Episode IV: I wonder what happens in »The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood« Episode V: I wonder what happens in »Rise of the Pirate God«

09/01/2011, 09:02 am	#60
Friar The nth Doctor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: UK Posts: 3,167	The way I see it, the changes are like website changes. Everyone who used the thing before frequently, instantly hates the change, even if it's for the better. __________________ "The universe has to move forward. Pain and loss, they define us as much as happiness or love. Whether it's a world, or a relationship...everything has its time. And everything ends."-Elizabeth Sladen: RIP.

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