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CanineShamus · 05/16/2007, 05:01 pm

So I'm pretty sure everyone who likes Sam and Max enjoys the small commentary on random items or the point-and-click scenery, but I've come across little off screen tidbits that you can only see in the background after interacting with an on screen item.

I've only seen this happen a few times, I think I really started noticing these things by Episode 3 in the office; when you click on Hubert (The Lush Vegitation XD) In the background theres a little doodle of Flint calling bad guys boneheads and beating 'em up.

Is this the only off screen gag out there? Just wondering.

Emily · 05/16/2007, 05:17 pm

There are tons of details in the background art that you don't really see in the game due to the camera angles. Sometimes you get a glimpse of them with a certain camera angle. The war song is a good example of this - Jake made a point of using camera angles that showed some of the gags that aren't really obvious in the playable parts of the game.

Our environment modelers come up with some funny stuff.

Zeek · 05/16/2007, 05:55 pm

Those visual gags that are only seen when the camera is in a certain spot are probably the best jokes to hunt for. Really adds to the replay value, especially for someone like me who can't read some of the titles of the books in the OO in Episode 4 for one reason or another. (I blame my video card.)

SamExplorerBoy · 05/16/2007, 09:40 pm

DON'T SMOKE KIDS !!!!
Unless You're on fire.
Then it's only natural.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHA

Harald B · 05/17/2007, 12:05 am

The office desk has bumper-stickers on it advertising trips to the sun and the city dump. You mostly only see them when it closes up a bit during the opening sequences. Also, the book between the VCR and the tv has a title ending in "scenes". I wonder if that's going to play a role in the upcoming DVD

Another one I liked is that next to the donut box is an empty bottle of "Purcell Root Beer" (I think you can get a closeup of the donut box by clicking it in episode 5).

Leviathan · 05/17/2007, 12:36 am

what about the office's wall on the same side as the player view? I think I saw a glimpse of text on it in episode 2.

Harald B · 05/17/2007, 01:15 am

It has a bench, various sketches and post-its behind it, the bullet-hole silhoutte, and a pin-the-tail-on-Max poster.

Derwin · 05/17/2007, 04:54 am

It would be fun to be able to enter a dev mode and be able to move through the environments in a free-moving first person camera mode. Any way this would be possible, TT?

AdamG · 05/17/2007, 05:54 am

Perhaps as a reward for finishing each episode, you could get a code to unlock a special "ghost mode" where you could move around in any direction using the mouse to point and WASD to move?

AdamG · 05/17/2007, 05:58 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harald B

Another one I liked is that next to the donut box is an empty bottle of "Purcell Root Beer" (I think you can get a closeup of the donut box by clicking it in episode 5).

Donuts and root beer, the food of the gods.

LuigiHann · 05/17/2007, 11:16 am

Simpler than that, I'd be happy with a button that switched to first-person view, even if I couldn't move while in that mode. Just to look around a bit.

**Jake** · 05/17/2007, 12:59 pm

The problem with breaking the fourth wall like that is that, in some cases, you'd discover that there's no fourth wall to break, and the empty blackness of infinite unmodeled untextured space would drive you insane. There's no turning back, really.

Panda90 · 05/17/2007, 01:35 pm

So, what you're saying is that the fourth wall in S&M is actually a massive engine leak? From my limited experience of mapping for HL2, leaks cause instability and hog memory, (aside from how horrible they look) maybe this was the problem with episode 3? If im right then the problem could be fixed by filling the leak with a blank wall. If i'm wrong then the solution to the problem you've already solved evades me due to my lack of coding knowledge.

Enlighten me!

AdamG · 05/17/2007, 02:08 pm

I think what Jake is trying to say is that they don't really want to implement a first person view feature.

**Jake** · 05/17/2007, 03:02 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panda90

So, what you're saying is that the fourth wall in S&M is actually a massive engine leak? From my limited experience of mapping for HL2, leaks cause instability and hog memory, (aside from how horrible they look) maybe this was the problem with episode 3? If im right then the problem could be fixed by filling the leak with a blank wall. If i'm wrong then the solution to the problem you've already solved evades me due to my lack of coding knowledge.

Enlighten me!

We don't use the Half Life 2 engine. Plus, I was just joking around.

Also it's worth noting, if you want to get down to it, that the new environments in episode 3 are all wholly enclosed spaces with all six walls. That said, I don't think 'leaks' are an issue in our tool in the same sense that they are in Source maps.

Cyberlink420 · 05/17/2007, 03:52 pm

If there's one thing I love, it's when the fourth wall gets broken...

tabacco · 05/17/2007, 04:21 pm

Also, missing walls in environments do not cause memory leaks

LuigiHann · 05/17/2007, 04:31 pm

I figured that if there was a wall missing, the memory would just leak out? You gotta seal it up :P

(I have no idea what's going on)

jmm · 05/17/2007, 04:39 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabacco

Also, missing walls in environments do not cause memory leaks

Well, if you happen to step through the missing wall, you may fall and hit yourself in the head. That may cause memory leaks.

Zeek · 05/17/2007, 04:41 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberlink420

If there's one thing I love, it's when the fourth wall gets broken...

Especially when explosives are involved.

05/16/2007, 05:01 pm	#1
CanineShamus The Bodaciously Obscure Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 21	Off Screen Jokes So I'm pretty sure everyone who likes Sam and Max enjoys the small commentary on random items or the point-and-click scenery, but I've come across little off screen tidbits that you can only see in the background after interacting with an on screen item. I've only seen this happen a few times, I think I really started noticing these things by Episode 3 in the office; when you click on Hubert (The Lush Vegitation XD) In the background theres a little doodle of Flint calling bad guys boneheads and beating 'em up. Is this the only off screen gag out there? Just wondering.

05/17/2007, 12:05 am	#5
Harald B Egregious Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,450	The office desk has bumper-stickers on it advertising trips to the sun and the city dump. You mostly only see them when it closes up a bit during the opening sequences. Also, the book between the VCR and the tv has a title ending in "scenes". I wonder if that's going to play a role in the upcoming DVD Another one I liked is that next to the donut box is an empty bottle of "Purcell Root Beer" (I think you can get a closeup of the donut box by clicking it in episode 5). __________________ although we do still have a time machine, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. Forgot what T.H.E.M. stands for? Need the lyrics to the War Song? Visit the Sam & Max wiki!

05/17/2007, 01:15 am	#7
Harald B Egregious Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,450	It has a bench, various sketches and post-its behind it, the bullet-hole silhoutte, and a pin-the-tail-on-Max poster. __________________ although we do still have a time machine, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility. Forgot what T.H.E.M. stands for? Need the lyrics to the War Song? Visit the Sam & Max wiki!

05/17/2007, 05:54 am	#9
AdamG The Maybe Friend for Life Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 1,054	Perhaps as a reward for finishing each episode, you could get a code to unlock a special "ghost mode" where you could move around in any direction using the mouse to point and WASD to move? __________________ "Stay frosty America!" - Max

05/17/2007, 02:08 pm	#14
AdamG The Maybe Friend for Life Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 1,054	I think what Jake is trying to say is that they don't really want to implement a first person view feature. __________________ "Stay frosty America!" - Max

05/16/2007, 05:17 pm	#2
Emily Formerly of the Telltale Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4,549	There are tons of details in the background art that you don't really see in the game due to the camera angles. Sometimes you get a glimpse of them with a certain camera angle. The war song is a good example of this - Jake made a point of using camera angles that showed some of the gags that aren't really obvious in the playable parts of the game. Our environment modelers come up with some funny stuff.

05/16/2007, 05:55 pm	#3
Zeek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,127	Those visual gags that are only seen when the camera is in a certain spot are probably the best jokes to hunt for. Really adds to the replay value, especially for someone like me who can't read some of the titles of the books in the OO in Episode 4 for one reason or another. (I blame my video card.)

05/16/2007, 09:40 pm	#4
SamExplorerBoy Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 44	DON'T SMOKE KIDS !!!! Unless You're on fire. Then it's only natural. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHHA

05/17/2007, 12:36 am	#6
Leviathan Freelance Gamer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indonesia Posts: 26	what about the office's wall on the same side as the player view? I think I saw a glimpse of text on it in episode 2.

05/17/2007, 04:54 am	#8
Derwin Max's PH-Neutral Chewtoy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 736	It would be fun to be able to enter a dev mode and be able to move through the environments in a free-moving first person camera mode. Any way this would be possible, TT?

05/17/2007, 11:16 am	#11
LuigiHann Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,686	Simpler than that, I'd be happy with a button that switched to first-person view, even if I couldn't move while in that mode. Just to look around a bit.

05/17/2007, 12:59 pm	#12
Jake Telltale Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,874	The problem with breaking the fourth wall like that is that, in some cases, you'd discover that there's no fourth wall to break, and the empty blackness of infinite unmodeled untextured space would drive you insane. There's no turning back, really.

05/17/2007, 01:35 pm	#13
Panda90 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 27	So, what you're saying is that the fourth wall in S&M is actually a massive engine leak? From my limited experience of mapping for HL2, leaks cause instability and hog memory, (aside from how horrible they look) maybe this was the problem with episode 3? If im right then the problem could be fixed by filling the leak with a blank wall. If i'm wrong then the solution to the problem you've already solved evades me due to my lack of coding knowledge. Enlighten me!

05/17/2007, 03:52 pm	#16
Cyberlink420 The third dimension Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The deepest, darkest corners of my own mind Posts: 390	If there's one thing I love, it's when the fourth wall gets broken... __________________ "Aw, why is it always monkeys? Why can't I ever be attacked by crazed supermodels?" - Ron Stoppable

05/17/2007, 04:21 pm	#17
tabacco I Feel Fantastic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Marin County, CA Posts: 2,129	Also, missing walls in environments do not cause memory leaks

05/17/2007, 04:31 pm	#18
LuigiHann Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,686	I figured that if there was a wall missing, the memory would just leak out? You gotta seal it up :P (I have no idea what's going on) __________________ "I think it's the idea that counts, not the actual method. As long as you set out to cause a horrible death through insects eating the person, you're good." - apenpaap

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