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Old 07/02/2012, 08:36 am   #1
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Default Why is Lilly in the game ? (for those who have read the comic) SPOILERS

Ok all of us who have read the comic knows that Lilly will eventually
join up with the Governor and kill Lori and her baby.

So we all know that she wonīt die since telltale considers this game to be canon within the comic universe.

I donīt get why telltale picked her as one of the characters in the game, since she is a character, that most of us comic readers allready know will survive.
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Same reason Glenn and Hershel were - to give it an extra tie-in to the comics.
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Same reason Glenn and Hershel were - to give it an extra tie-in to the comics.
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Ok all of us who have read the comic knows that Lilly will eventually
join up with the Governor and kill Lori and her baby.

So we all know that she wonīt die since telltale considers this game to be canon within the comic universe.

I donīt get why telltale picked her as one of the characters in the game, since she is a character, that most of us comic readers allready know will survive.
Telltale chose characters that most Walking Dead fans are familiar with and just decided to reveal their past as to what they were doing before Rick eventually meets them in the comics. This is a good thing because these characters they chose impacted Rick's life many ways in the comics and people will be wondering what they were doing before they got into Rick's life.
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Old 07/02/2012, 10:57 am   #5
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Just because she won't die doesn't mean she won't leave the group at some point. It's not just about death but about groups fracturing and losing people.

I'm more concerned about how well her departure is played more than when she'll actually do it.

Glenn, not so much. He was just too major a character in the comics to expect much from him.
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Old 07/02/2012, 12:32 pm   #6
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I think she will be leaving the group in episode 3. It's been 3 months since the outbreak, so Rick should have dealt with hershal and met up with the Guvenour by now.

The kenny vs Lilly thing will come to an end, and lilly will split :P
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Old 07/02/2012, 12:44 pm   #7
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Ah, so that IS the same Lilly as in the game? I just got to that point in the comics as episode 2 was arriving, and we don't get to know much about that Lilly (at least at that moment, I can't speak to any material beyond volume 10.) She seems to have some disagreement with the Governor's orders and a moral compass of her own, so I can believe it's the same person.
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Because she has no back story to contradict.. and its interesting to see what some of the characters were doing before we see them in the comics.. Its possible we will maybe get some insight as to WHY she is following someone like the Gov.
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Old 07/02/2012, 03:03 pm   #9
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I know kirkman is making a sequel to the rise of the governor, which is called the road to woodbury. This novel will give more information about Lilly as a character. I wonder if the novel and the game will complement each other.
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I think they wanted to show the events that made Lily into the woman she will become just like the events made Glenn never give up
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Old 07/02/2012, 03:29 pm   #11
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I know kirkman is making a sequel to the rise of the governor, which is called the road to woodbury. This novel will give more information about Lilly as a character. I wonder if the novel and the game will complement each other.
It will be interesting how he is gonna pull that of, the book is not coming out before october and all the episodes of the game should be out by then.

I hope it does not contradict anything he has been doing a good job with keeping it consistent so far.
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Old 07/02/2012, 03:36 pm   #12
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maybe its a different glen and lily?
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Old 07/02/2012, 04:32 pm   #13
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I haven't read the comics (I'm vaguely aware of them...) but I also think Lilly will leave in Ep 3 since the group are meant to visit Woodbury, which IIRC is where the whole Governor/Prison shenanigans take place.
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maybe its a different glen and lily?
*facepalm*

If it was a joke, it isn't that good and if you are serious, then you really need to rethink your theory.

It is obviously the same Glen/Lilly.

Lilly was already admitted to be the same Lilly by telltale and Glen has the exact same look, clothes, personality, and was heading to Atlanta(where Rick finds him) when we last saw him.

And was confirmed by telltale to be the same Glen which apparently DOES need to be clarified now...
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Old 07/02/2012, 04:48 pm   #15
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I was very disappointed to learn that Lilly was actually a person from the comics. Honestly, anything related to the comics undermines the whole concept of story and relationships being formed based on your choices. In Episode 1 the choice to save Duck or Shawn was one of the most useless choices because Shawn was destined to die. I didn't mind Glenn, actually, because there were no big choices related to him, so that was actually a good properly implemented cameo.

But Lilly... The choices regarding Lilly play such a big role, but the fact that she is in the comics means that no matter what the hell I do, she will eventually become the person she is in the comics and leave the group. And that IMO sucks.
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Old 07/02/2012, 07:59 pm   #16
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Oh it's less about "your options about " blah blah" meaning nothing. The Shaun vs Duck saving for example. Yes shaun will die but its also what happens because you went to save shaun over duck. Kenny will feel like a coward, lee will see his first true failure at saving someone. But then katjaa will hold it over your head that you didn't choose duck. if you save duck, kenny will feel a shared shame with lee over leaving the "boy" to die as he just froze. The over all choice has less to do with the person who may or may not be saved. And more on how others will react.
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Old 07/02/2012, 08:26 pm   #17
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The 'how others will react' is still based on your choices, and having comic book characters still diminishes their value, and my point still stands. For example: if you're pro-Kenny, then you will have a person who will certainly have your back because you've got his, and Lilly will eventually break under stress. If you're pro-Lilly, then you will have a person (Kenny) who will hate your guts (because regrettably he's got a very binary view of the world), and Lilly will eventually break under stress, because regardless of how pro-Lilly you are, that has to happen. See the problem?

Kenny is a game-only character, so there's lots of room in changing what he thinks of you and what he does depending on what you do, Lilly is a comic book character, and in her case everything is incredibly restricted. And asides from Katjaa, nobody really cares that much who you choose between Kenny/Lilly (at least at the time of Ep2), so if you're pro-Kenny you will eventually be left with a loyal friend, and if you're pro-Lilly - you will be eventually left with, well, nothing.

I admit that this post is a bit speculative because nobody has seen Ep3 yet and we don't know for how long Lilly will be with us, but so far knowing that Lilly is in the comic books does not leave me with confidence.
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Old 07/02/2012, 09:13 pm   #18
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The 'how others will react' is still based on your choices, and having comic book characters still diminishes their value, and my point still stands. For example: if you're pro-Kenny, then you will have a person who will certainly have your back because you've got his, and Lilly will eventually break under stress. If you're pro-Lilly, then you will have a person (Kenny) who will hate your guts (because regrettably he's got a very binary view of the world), and Lilly will eventually break under stress, because regardless of how pro-Lilly you are, that has to happen. See the problem?

Kenny is a game-only character, so there's lots of room in changing what he thinks of you and what he does depending on what you do, Lilly is a comic book character, and in her case everything is incredibly restricted. And asides from Katjaa, nobody really cares that much who you choose between Kenny/Lilly (at least at the time of Ep2), so if you're pro-Kenny you will eventually be left with a loyal friend, and if you're pro-Lilly - you will be eventually left with, well, nothing.

I admit that this post is a bit speculative because nobody has seen Ep3 yet and we don't know for how long Lilly will be with us, but so far knowing that Lilly is in the comic books does not leave me with confidence.
You can't say we'll be left with nothing if we decide to side with Lilly. We only see Lilly for basically a split second in the comics. Woodbury could play a large part in the story and further flesh out her role. Hell, the story could continue after that scene at the prison. We just don't have the information available yet.

It would be nice to have some real game changing choices but in the end my thoughts on the matter are no different than yours. They're both pure speculation. Although in this case, I really hope they choose not to write her off easily. Even knowing what she did in the comics, I still enjoy her character much more than Kenny.

EDIT: It looks like Lilly will be featured in an upcoming novel titled "Road to Woodbury". I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing for the game

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You can't say we'll be left with nothing if we decide to side with Lilly. We only see Lilly for basically a split second in the comics. Woodbury could play a large part in the story and further flesh out her role. Hell, the story could continue after that scene at the prison. We just don't have the information available yet.

It would be nice to have some real game changing choices but in the end my thoughts on the matter are no different than yours. They're both pure speculation. Although in this case, I really hope they choose not to write her off easily. Even knowing what she did in the comics, I still enjoy her character much more than Kenny.

EDIT: It looks like Lilly will be featured in an upcoming novel titled "Road to Woodbury". I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing for the game
Well, I agree with your former comment about Lilly being seen only for a couple pages in the comic, and that her backstory before then is speculation. And I also agree about not writing her off easily, for I'm actually pro-Lilly. As to your question about "Road to Woodbury", I think it's a good thing for the game. Right now, as of Episode 2, Lilly's backstory is still in the making via player's choices and the circumstances..and what happens in the comics or novels based on Lilly would be milestones for the story development in later episodes of the game. Hell, it might lead to Lilly having more of an appearance in the TV show, assuming Kirkman allows it.
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I'm taking Clem to Woodbury with Lilly to watch some new TV.
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