In your first playthrough did you...

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

Wow, Kenny supporters are turning out to be a ruthless bunch of people! Every single person who has supported Kenny in the locker (a total of 14 people) cut off the band teachers leg and was successful in freeing him from the trap before the Walker's closed in on the group.

Kenny supporters are also closing in on Lilly Supporters, as now out of 33 complete answers, Lilly has only 19 supporters to Kenny's 14.

As far as whether they thought the Band Teacher was a goner or not - a majority (6 out of 8 people, oh the numbers are so outstanding!) of those who have answered have said that it didn't matter to them if he died later - most saying because they felt that he didn't deserve to be left behind to the Walkers.

Now a question to all of the Lilly supporters out there:

What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

Also, remember that these are according to your first playthrough! A lot of us have been here on the forums and have read what TTG have said about the "breath" scene, but I want an idea of what you thought and how you reacted BEFORE you were influenced by what anyone else had said.

that is very interesting, I'm a ruthless Kenny supporter lol, but empathy was involved, if i was the teacher and the people that could help me couldn't take the trap off and were going to leave at any moment, i would ask them to cut my leg off, and if i was a father in a locked room with my child, i would rather have my head smashed in than eat and kill my daughter, but maybe that's just me, and i'm ruthless.

[Demopan]

I tried to save the teacher by cutting the chain and messing with the trap. I got 2 cuts into his leg, but it was too late to save him. With the meat locker, I tried to save Larry, as I've always done my best to try and save lives, no matter what.

[Demopan]

Originally Posted by trillchalk

I tried to hit the chain first, but I believe Mark said something about the chain resembling those used at the base at which he was stationed. I said eff that noise, and went to town on that teacher's leg with an axe. I want as many people as possible with me in the zombie apocalypse; your odds of survival are higher when there are many targets, and each new group member brings unique information/talents to the group. The teacher would have provided something for the group, even if that thing was merely the certainty of being eaten first. I succeeded in lopping his leg off, as I was quick to hit it when I felt as though the chain couldn't be broken. I think it was close, but I'm not too sure. It did occur to me that he might die from the blood loss, but I thought it was an acceptable risk. The dude reanimates and he's missing a leg, like, can't we just walk away from him?

I snap sided with Kenny in the meat locker. What the hell was Lilly going to do for Larry? Politely ask him to stop being dead? I had to think of four people in that meat locker and I believe I made the best decision for those four; Lilly was making a decision for two people, and one of those was a corpse on the floor. I hated his s*** and I let him know that. I gave the axe to Mark, I didn't feed Larry, and I told him I was sick of his attitude. That being said, I didn't particularly want him to die, but I sure as hell wasn't letting him reanimate and put all of our lives in danger.

It's all about correctly assessing the risk in relation to potential reward. What's the risk of chopping this teacher's leg off and trying to patch him up? You can lose a great deal of blood before you die, and I thought one of us would put a tourniquet on him, so I felt as though he could be saved, and the potential benefits outweighed the mild risk. With Larry, there was no upside. How were we going to get his heart going again? Where were his meds? Was he going to help us escape or just have another heart attack when we get out of the door? What's the downside of caving his head in with a salt lick?

Well, the teacher is really a Band director, so judging purely based on his job, he wouldn't be much help. Besides, Lee is a teacher.

[fanganga]

In my first playthrough, I didn't even realise the teacher in the trap was a choice. I tried to lever the trap open with the axe, looked at the chain when someone shouted but missed the hotpoint, then decided the only option was the Saw option. After what happened, and seeing it was a decision point, I expected the alternative would be to shoot him, which I thought would be more merciful, so I tried the various things around the trap, ran out the clock and was unpleasantly surprised. If I did it again, going on the knowledge Lee would have had at the time, I'd have taken his leg off again - my philosophy for Lee being to give people a chance at survival if they want to take it (in the first game, Irene had clearly decided she was looking at a fate worse than death - I chose to mercy-kill her).

Similarly, I sided with Lilly in the meatlocker, even knowing that with no defibrillator and no drugs, Larry's chances were slim to none - I figured we could at least give him a chance and still be able to protect ourselves once we knew for sure, much like with Duck back at the drugstore - and how I wanted to bring that up - "We always give our people a chance. That's why Duck's still here."

[WingSP117]

As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by WingSP117

As a EMT, CPR has a extremely low chance of jump starting a heart (I wanna say like 6% or less off the top of my head). It's basically used to prolong life until we can introduce drugs and hope that it's a shockable rhythm. I chose to help kenny my first play through, it was the only thing logical to protect our group in the freezer. You wouldn't know when or how long you would have before he turned.

Did you also cut off the teacher's leg? Were you successful in freeing the teacher from the bear trap?

[CapnJay]

I'm a Clementine supporter. to hell with this feud

[Woodsyblue]

I actually didn't cut off the teachers leg, but only because I ran out of time. It had been so long since I'd played the first episode that I'd forgotten how the interface works and I just kept clicking 'look at things' and wondering why Lee wasn't doing anything. When I figured out what I was doing wrong I tried the alternatives to cutting his leg off and when I realised I was getting nowhere I clicked to cut his leg off and that's when Kenny told me we had to leave.

[Sisterofshane]

Originally Posted by CapnJay

I'm a Clementine supporter. to hell with this feud

Trying hard not to make this into another "Hatfield-McCoy" thread. We already have plenty of those!

I'm just really interested in why people make the choices they do, and I'm trying to compare their decisions to other ones within the game that are similar to each other. Right now the theme is kind of "who deserves to live/die?". I might do more comparison threads as new issues come up.

[Sisterofshane]

Alright, been getting a lot of partial answers, and I'm thinking that's because people are only reading the OP (even then some aren't giving all the information!). So, now I updated the OP to reflect the other parts of the discussion I have been adding. Keep following and responding!

Now for the next question -- how many of you gave Irene the gun in episode one? Why did or didn't you give it to her?

[Master of Aeons]

I played up Lee's horror to the question and refused to answer. She took it and shot herself before my Lee could pull himself from shock.

[Barnoz]

I didn't give irene the gun in episode one because I thought I could talk her out of killing herself.

I tied to free the teacher by hitting the trap. When that didn't work, I cut his leg off to save his life and we took him to the motel where he was put in the truck.

As for the meatlocker scene, I wholeheatedly wanted Larry to die. if I could of killed him myself, I would of. I risked my life for him in episode one and he tried to kill me by knocking me out around a bunch of zombies. I'm supposed to give him an axe in episode 2? get real.

I know he's setup to be a 1 dimentional character, but you never get the choice to confront him or put him in his palce. So in Chapter 2, I didn't bother talking to him at all. I mean, you know already how every conversation with him will turn out as he just repeats the same thing over and over again like a broken record. I'm glad he out of the game becuase he wan't interesting, just annoying. I can see that his daughter will be the next annoying character in the next chapter and I can already tell what her conversation tree is going to be like. No thnaks telltale, you failed on that front.

My goal in the game is simple: try to save every life. If the NPCs try to kill me, they are dead.

It also seems like your choices have zero inpact on the dialogue which is a shame. In episode one, I saved the kid, gave him food, sided with Kenny and his family all the way. I got thanks for it and now in chapter 2, Kenny kepps including me in his rant about "everyone thought Duck had been bitten" (not true) and he's giving me flack for not siding with him (again, not true).

it's either sloppy writing or bad programming for not taking your choices into account.

[thestalkinghead]

i said what if she turns and follows us and told carley to give her the gun, carley wasn't convinced so i told her to shoot her herself, but in the end she handed over the gun, and i said "i am with you" (or something similar) i think letting her kill herself was the nicest thing you could do, given the circumstances

[Kelium]

With the Teacher I tried cutting the chain off, and when Mark said that it was rigged I went to cut his leg off. I felt that it was better than leaving him to the horde of walkers and at least try to help the man.

In the locker I sided with Kenny because I had sided with Kenny before and I like him because of his family values and he seems to be a good guy trying to save them. Mainly though I sided with Kenny because I was afraid Larry would come back as a walker and that would be a bad situation to be in. It was a hard decision but it had to be done to save the group, Kenny's wife, and kid from those cannibals. From my characters viewpoint someone as Larry that suffered that hard of a heart attack would most likely die and Lee had no idea how fast they would reanimate back.


When I was fighting Danny and needed help I wasn't surprised that I didn't get any help from Lilly bc of what had been done. I would be happy to see her leave the group in episode three but that's just me.


With the girl Irene I didn't want to give her the gun, and tried to talk her out of it but she ended up killing herself.

Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.

I was happy with this episode and felt that I did the right thing even though it was hard to do.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Kelium

Not to go off topic but I don't see how everyone see's Kenny as an asshole, besides him and Lilly arguing all the time I don't see it? After all the action he told me that he wanted me and Clem to ride with him because we are good friends.

i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.

but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.

so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child

[Kelium]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i'm not sure why people don't like him, even on a playthrough when i was on lillys side he basically saved my life twice, once after larry punched me even though i tried my hardest to kill his son (good man) and then in the meatlocker.

but if you side with kenny lilly just watches to see you die after you call for help.

so what if kenny has a go at you for not helping his son, you should feel bad you just tried to kill or just watch as larry try to kill a child

So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.

[JonathanEFearn]

I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"

Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.

I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."

I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).

[Kelium]

Originally Posted by JonathanEFearn

I tried the chain (twice), ****ed with the trap once, used the wood branch, then, "Sorry buddy... *chop chop chop*"

Second time, I tried to chop down the tree! Didn't work. So he got left behind that time.

I did side with Lilly because it would be a douchey thing to not try. ****ing Kenny. I'm sorry, the look on his face wasn't one of fear/hesitation. It looked like deliberate, "**** you buddy, you are getting shot cause you didn't help me kill Larry. Plus you aren't urban enough to pick a locked door."

I already know I want to go off-script in Ep3 and just push Kenny under the train (the apocalypse has created a drastic shortage of buses to push people under).

So basically if you go against him at all he becomes a jerk to you? Sorry I just bought the game and did my first play through today. Really enjoying it though.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Kelium

So you are saying that you were for killing his son but he still saved you? Sorry Im a little lost haha.

yes (i actually thought i could have killed or thrown duck outside in the game at the time), because that is what good people do, it doesn't matter how you treat them, they will do the right thing and help

[phoray]

Originally Posted by Sisterofshane

To everyone who decided to chop off the teachers leg, did it occur to you that he might die from the loss of the leg? (If you didn't chop off the teacher's leg, was it because you didn't want to risk his life by removing the leg?)


What was your honest assessment of Larry's condition at the time you decided to help Lilly? What did you think was his chance of revival (if you had to put a percentage on it)?

1. I didn't consider whether or not her would die later. I did notice the tourniquet. I also don't get why Lee decided to cut it off at the thigh, near some of the largest veins and arteries. I think mid calf would have sufficed. I think what I mostly thought is that no one should die being eaten alive. Also, not knowing that death = zombie, I thought leaving him behind would just mean that FOR SURE he would become a zombie if he got semi eaten and that's no good. We have enough to protect ourselves from.

2. That one doesn't immediately go unconsious from a heart attack, at least not the one you can bounce back from without major surgery. That was a MAJOR heart attack, one he'd been staving off with nitroglicerin for months. Frankly, it looked more like a stroke to me than a heart attack. Even worse. I agreed with Kenny that we couldn't take the risk, and dragged Lily away. Felt like I was putting down a kid's favorite dog because it had rabies. It hurts, but it's got to be done. On my second play through, I helped Lilly. Honestly, though, a rescue breath hadn't been given. We were just moving his blood around (technically). And CPR is not going to unblock an artery. I thought at best, he would come back brain damaged, paralyzed, or in a coma. He was gone.