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View Poll Results: How are you raising Clementine?
Pragmatic/Tough Survivor Clem; hard world = hard choices 44 25.73%
Bubble/Shielded Clem; the world isn't going to hell 22 12.87%
Moral Clem; a screwed world doesn't require ruthlessness 97 56.73%
Ruthless Clem; kill everyone, take everything 0 0%
Neglected Clem; leave her without emotional support 0 0%
Dead Weight/Walker Bait; ohmnomnonnom 5 2.92%
Other (please describe in post) 3 1.75%
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Old 07/19/2012, 09:49 am   #141
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The more I think about this game, the more I think that every choice is irrelevant to everything but her and teaching her the lessons she needs to survive.
If you look at the end polls, they all have individual themes of mercy, pragmatism etc. If you consider an end game where who Clem is is dependant on what you've taught her, this is the true result of everything you've done.
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Old 07/19/2012, 10:08 am   #142
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The more I think about this game, the more I think that every choice is irrelevant to everything but her and teaching her the lessons she needs to survive.
If you look at the end polls, they all have individual themes of mercy, pragmatism etc. If you consider an end game where who Clem is is dependant on what you've taught her, this is the true result of everything you've done.
So your saying this is determining how effective the Queen's new empire is.
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Old 07/19/2012, 03:29 pm   #143
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Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmBJW...ailpage#t=488s
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Old 07/21/2012, 07:47 am   #144
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bit of self promotion eh ?

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Old 07/21/2012, 07:53 am   #145
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In episode four when Clem gets kidnapped we'll be given a glimpse into her mindset and what she's learned from Lee. Before Lee goes Bryan Mills on the kidnappers.
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Old 07/22/2012, 07:39 am   #146
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im raseing her mixed all about surving the walkers and im also a bit of a softy towards clemintine
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Old 07/22/2012, 10:20 pm   #147
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I couldn't bullshit her about my past, about the teacher's chances, or most other things happening right in front of her. Even if I tried, she's too smart for that. The one thing I can't be truthful about is her parents, and by the start of ep 2 she's figuring it out anyway. This is one of the ways Clem tugs at the heartstrings: She's actively trying to preserve her own innocence, with or without my help, somehow instinctively knowing that to become jaded is a kind of death in itself. But I don't worry about Clem living in a bubble. She was a survivor before we even met.
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Old 07/25/2012, 09:02 am   #148
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I couldn't bullshit her about my past, about the teacher's chances, or most other things happening right in front of her. Even if I tried, she's too smart for that. The one thing I can't be truthful about is her parents, and by the start of ep 2 she's figuring it out anyway. This is one of the ways Clem tugs at the heartstrings: She's actively trying to preserve her own innocence, with or without my help, somehow instinctively knowing that to become jaded is a kind of death in itself. But I don't worry about Clem living in a bubble. She was a survivor before we even met.
Completely agree, I’m doing the same with my Clem she’s a survivor in her own right and if Duck continues to live, all be it in blissful ignorance than so should Clem as long as my Lee can protect her from the dangerous ones.

Unfortunately the meat locker incident may have destroyed all that hard work, Clems scream and sobs gets me every time
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Old 07/25/2012, 11:13 pm   #149
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Clementine is being told the truth about what's going on, about Lee's suppositions concerning her parents, about Lee's past and family. However, he's very protective of her and he didn't kill the brothers or steal from the car. It was tough of him to let her through the vent and he hurried to save her from eating Mark meat. I'll admit, the car was a tough choice, but Lee wants her to remain as humane as possible. Personally, I think it's going to get tougher and he's gonna snap in later episodes. If it gets really cold and freezing and stuff and she needs that sweater, I guess Duck might suspiciously lose his.... She knows what's right in a pre-apocalypse world and hasn't adapted yet to the new one; Lee is fighting to make sure she stays so.

On another note, when she lost the hat and Lee didn't find it before going to the dairy farm ... I thought, "Thank goodness! Now she won't she drop it while running, hold people up, and get somebody killed." Then I remembered that it came from her dad, and I felt bad and that's when I decided that I'd make all the preservationist choices possible; needless to say, I was glad when she got it back.
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Old 07/26/2012, 05:00 pm   #150
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Moral Clem all the way across the sky.

Yeah, tough decisions have to be made...but we shouldn't become monsters along the way. Otherwise we'd just be walkers with higher thinking capacity. Take handling the brothers for instance, they were a threat...key word being "were". Danny was subdued and Andy was a broken man wanting to die (ergo he wasn't a threat to anyone but himself at that point), killing them would be a pointless waste of energy and humanity.

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Old 08/31/2012, 07:37 am   #151
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Pragmatic Clem. Best route to ensure her survival imo. Applies to anyone really.
It's all about making Spock-like choice of practicality.
Damn the the consequences!
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Old 08/31/2012, 08:20 am   #152
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Pragmatic/Tough Clem for sure. I feel like if I taught Clem morals she would not do what was needed in a given situation to survive. A screwed world requires tough decisions and whatever to do to survive. If you need to take from an abandoned car to survive, it must be done for survival. Teaching Clem morals just softens her up and gives her less chance for survival. It seems like Clem gives every stranger a chance now. She opens up to Christa quickly, and that stranger on that walkie? How the hell can she trust him? Seriously, sometimes morals isn't the best way to go in this type of world.

I'm not telling you all that are teaching Clem morals that it's not a good idea, I'm just saying that teaching Clem morals should not overshadow teaching her to survive. Survival comes first. I've been teaching my Clem morals, which is the only thing separating us from the bandits and the St. Johns. But teaching her whatever is neccessary to survive.

Of course, I have to start all over again since all my saves got corrupted... so...

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Old 09/08/2012, 07:15 am   #153
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i'm definitely raising a moral clem. as the only parent-like figure she has at this point, i think it's important to teach her that although there are bad things happening in the world, we shouldn't lose our humanity. that's why i didn't kill the brothers and while i took the supplies from the car, i explained to clem why we were doing it and told her to hold on to the hoodie in case we run into the owners. later, in episode 3, i took chuck's advice & taught clem how to defend herself, as well as cut her hair. he made some valid points, and while i'm still going for a moral clem, i also want a clem that knows how to survive.

i freaking love this game, btw. it's my favorite right now & i can't wait for episode 4!
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Old 09/08/2012, 10:04 am   #154
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I have to admit, I've been teaching her morals.

But only because I'm having Lee do the pragmatic stuff.
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Old 09/08/2012, 10:09 am   #155
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I have to admit, I've been teaching her morals.

But only because I'm having Lee do the pragmatic stuff.
i think there is a lot of lead by example, not just what you say to her, but i defiantly think teaching morals is important, because immoral people will be hated and eventually killed by good people that they have treated badly
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Well, that's just it, I don't want Clem to become like that.... one Carl Grimes is enough for any apocalypse.

So while I do things... ahem... ruthlessly and pragmatically... I keep stressing to her the need to stay a good person. Do it because you "have" to... and all.
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Old 09/08/2012, 12:56 pm   #157
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I've taught a mix between pragmatic and moral. And I always tell her the truth.

I didn't kill the brothers, but stole from the car. I tried to teach her to put survival first but have mercy close by.
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Old 09/16/2012, 09:29 am   #158
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Completely agree, I’m doing the same with my Clem she’s a survivor in her own right and if Duck continues to live, all be it in blissful ignorance than so should Clem as long as my Lee can protect her from the dangerous ones.

Unfortunately the meat locker incident may have destroyed all that hard work, Clems scream and sobs gets me every time
After episode 3 the bubble of innocense has burst so I guess its survival training time 06:00hrs sharp
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Old 10/02/2012, 02:03 am   #159
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Pragmatic, moral and honest.

Not once have I picked an option to lie, to her or anyone else. After episode 3 I don't need to lie about my previous murder either. Sometimes I don't take the most direct approch, like when she asked if the brothers got killed by the walkers and I replied that I don't know. Which I don't. I also don't mix words about her parents or pretend that the world is likely to go back to normal someday. Although I am willing to help her look for them since we have arrived in Savanah anyway.

I keep unnecessary violence to the minimum. I didn't do that last hammer hit on zombie babysitter. I didn't punch the farmer any more then I needed to subdue him. I let Kenny beat me up when I failed to talk him down. I didn't kill the brothers either, although if they hadn't been attacked by zombies at the end, I would have restarted to the previous save and done it then because I wasn't about to let them go free after what they did. I only left them alive because I figured they would be dealt with later on. Which they were. Having karma do it was kinda lame though.

I tried to be moral. I defended Duck when they thought he had been bitten. I offered as much sympathy as I could when Duck WAS bitten. I tried staying neutral in the arguments. Didn't eat any food myself and made sure the kids ate (which almost everyone else did as well but still). I picked manure as instead of a certain curse word. I killed Duck myself.

However I also needed her to be pragmatic. I stole the food from the car. I didn't shoot the girl that was being eaten by zombies. I helped bash Larry's head in, rather then risk him turning (I really don't think most of you Larry savers really realize what a dangerous position we were in at the time). I tried not saying anything about eating the MarkMeat. I thought I could get an advantage by not letting them know I knew right away. Didn't work though so I reset and had him warn Clem in time. Also, teaching her how to shoot a gun? That should have been done a long time ago.

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Old 10/02/2012, 04:58 am   #160
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Clem will never live in a normal world, so I treated her with no lieing, taking the supplies from the car (an 8 year old's choice against a 37 year old one, come on), basiclly not hidding anything from her, she will have to get over with, this world isn't normal anymore.
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