Is Larry racist or was that a lie Lee told?

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

Because of the treatment of Lee at the hands of Larry.

I understand that in America no "American" can be racist unless they have a hood over their heads but still...if the player felt it was a valid choice how is that a lie?

So if the choice is just a lie, then why is it specifically there and not some other answer? Someone had to think it was a valid assumption or believable to some degree. Just like the choices to lie to Hershel, they had to be valid to some degree in believability.

So one could draw the conclusion that from Larry's treatment of Lee is was rooted in bigotry. It is a valid assumption to make. There is this aggressive old southern white man giving the lone black a hard time, and calling him "boy" to boot. One could speculate...

I still don't think a Racist would run to save a Black guy from a Zombie... If you give Larry the Axe he does... I mean, people say he's picking on Lee and that must stem from Bigotry, but what about Mark? He was an asshole to Mark, he's an asshole to Kenny, He's an asshole to just about everyone except Clementine (A Mixed Race child) and his daughter. And for someone FROM the South, and knows how the Racists act all too well, I do not know a single Racist who would give a damn about a Mixed Child. (And I've met more of them than I'd care to recall) They hate them, ESPECIALLY if mixed with their own race (or if it appears they could be).
I know Southern Racists, they will call a Black guy a n***** to his FACE, they don't give a damn and won't try to hide it at all.

Larry's a bitter old man, who hates the world and only really cares for his Daughter... But a racist he ain't. A racist, would NOT keep Lee's secret, he would use it as justification for his prejudice.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by Death689God

I still don't think a Racist would run to save a Black guy from a Zombie... If you give Larry the Axe he does... I mean, people say he's picking on Lee and that must stem from Bigotry, but what about Mark? He was an asshole to Mark, he's an asshole to Kenny, He's an asshole to just about everyone except Clementine (A Mixed Race child) and his daughter. And for someone FROM the South, and knows how the Racists act all too well, I do not know a single Racist who would give a damn about a Mixed Child. They hate them, ESPECIALLY if mixed with their own race (or if it appears they could be).
I know Southern Racists, they will call a Black guy a n***** to his FACE, they don't give a damn and won't try to hide it at all.

Larry's a bitter old man, who hates the world and only really cares for his Daughter... But a racist he ain't. A racist, would NOT keep Lee's secret, he would use it as justification for his prejudice.

I actually voted that Larry is not a racist. I played the game two different ways so I got to see both sides. I know what you are talking about.

I agree, I have done a "tour of duty" in the South. I know what goes on there.

But I still hold the opinion that a player could pick that choice not as a "lie" but as a true statement for how they felt. Remember that conversation is before the axe scene. The only think the player knows of Larry is that he is mean and almost got Lee Killed. Larry being rough to Mark is not seen until after the conversation about Larry potentially being a racist.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

I actually voted that Larry is not a racist. I played the game two different ways so I got to see both sides. I know what you are talking about.

I agree, I have done a "tour of duty" in the South. I know what goes on there.

But I still hold the opinion that a player could pick that choice not as a "lie" but as a true statement for how they felt. Remember that conversation is before the axe scene. The only think the player knows of Larry is that he is mean and almost got Lee Killed. Larry being rough to Mark is not seen until after the conversation about Larry potentially being a racist.

I accidentally voted he was a racist... I read it as "no, he isn't a racist" because the wording seemed natural. I took it as Racist, yes or no.
I'll read closer next time.

I can see how they might think he could be a racist, but I still don't think that's the case.

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

unless there was plenty of evidence and he just said the obvious.

this is very interesting i didn't think there was so much open for interpretation

ITS NOT OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION! Larry flat out stated he hates Lee because he is a murderer. Larry hates white people just as badly. He is perfectly fine with Clem even though she is clearly not white. Larry is not a racist, you would have to misinterpret everything to think he is a racist. Lee is clearly lieing there.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

ITS NOT OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION! Larry flat out stated he hates Lee because he is a murderer. Larry hates white people just as badly. He is perfectly fine with Clem even though she is clearly not white. Larry is not a racist, you would have to misinterpret everything to think he is a racist. Lee is clearly lieing there.

Some people just can't fathom the idea that a White guy can treat a black guy poorly and NOT be a Racist. Which, Ironically, is Racial profiling of the White Guy, making them the actual Racists.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by Death689God

Some people just can't fathom the idea that a White guy can treat a black guy poorly and NOT be a Racist. Which, Ironically, is Racial profiling of the White Guy, making them the actual Racists.

Meh, usually because that is the prime reason whenever it happens.

Can't act like there is not a social and historical track record. Stereotypes don't just drop out the sky. They come from repeated observations (which are then overblown and cast on an entire group)

[thestalkinghead]

i have played it where i be nice to larry as well and he saved me, but he just killed a zombie in his camp, so it may just be his survival instinct to kill the zombie and also keep me around because i can handle myself even if he does hate me, my survival increases his and his daughters chances of surviving.

but he could just be a grumpy asshole and i would have been an asshole to say he was racist to mark.

?????????

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Death689God

Some people just can't fathom the idea that a White guy can treat a black guy poorly and NOT be a Racist. Which, Ironically, is Racial profiling of the White Guy, making them the actual Racists.

Lee brought up the racism, i just wandered if it was a lie

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i have played it where i be nice to larry as well and he saved me, but he just killed a zombie in his camp, so it may just be his survival instinct to kill the zombie and also keep me around because i can handle myself even if he does hate me, my survival increases his and his daughters chances of surviving.

but he could just be a grumpy asshole and i would have been an asshole to say he was racist to mark.

?????????

You think so?

Seems believable as I have been saying.

Americans have a hard time dealing with the word "racist" so you have to go out of your way to prove that you are in fact one.

They usually want you to have a hood on or a police report stating that you killed 20 little black girls and wrote "I hate black people" with their blood. Then the Americans will admit that it was a bit racist.

Other than that...

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

Meh, usually because that is the prime reason whenever it happens.

Can't act like there is not a social and historical track record. Stereotypes don't just drop out the sky. They come from repeated observations (which are then overblown and cast on an entire group)

Neither does the Stereotype that Blacks commit more Crime in the states, or that father abandonment is more common, those have their reasons as well, but it doesn't mean every blacdk person does that NOR does it mean the reasons are some magical voodoo quality in their skin that makes them behave that way... Things are FAR more complicated than statistics, and stereotypes.

I know racists all to well, Larry isn't one. Southern racist aren't so covert about it, plus, once again, the ONLY justification people have for claiming he's a Racist is that he's an asshole to Lee... He's an Asshole to EVERYONE, and clearly states his problem with lee in particular is that he's a CONVICTED MURDERER!

Now I have an Honest to God/The Gods/FSM question: If you knew a Convicted Murderer was hanging around your daughter, and is in charge of the future of a little girl, in the same situation as Larry what would you do?

I'll be damn Honest, I'd throw the guy under the buss the first chance I got. And I'm not NEARLY as much of an Asshole as Larry. If that guy just happened to be a Black man, am I a racist for it? (I'm not white, I'm mixed, but still I look white enough.)

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

Lee brought up the racism, i just wandered if it was a lie

It was obviously a lie. All you had to do was pay attention and you'd figure it out.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

You think so?
They usually want you to have a hood on or a police report stating that you killed 20 little black girls and wrote "I hate black people" with their blood. Then the Americans will admit that it was a bit racist.

Other than that...

You've never been to America have you? I don't know of a SINGLE Racist stereotype involving hoods. Rednecks, Skinheads, etc, sure. But I have never heard of "Racists wear Hoods" and I'm from one of the more racist parts of America... Also, we don't expect them to KILL other races. We expect them to have issue with someone because of a STUPID SUPERSTITIOUS belief that someone's actions and worth are based on their Skin Color.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by Death689God

Neither does the Stereotype that Blacks commit more Crime in the states, or that father abandonment is more common, those have their reasons as well, but it doesn't mean every blacdk person does that NOR does it mean the reasons are some magical voodoo quality in their skin that makes them behave that way... Things are FAR more complicated than statistics, and stereotypes.

I know racists all to well, Larry isn't one. Southern racist aren't so covert about it, plus, once again, the ONLY justification people have for claiming he's a Racist is that he's an asshole to Lee... He's an Asshole to EVERYONE, and clearly states his problem with lee in particular is that he's a CONVICTED MURDERER!

Now I have an Honest to God/The Gods/FSM question: If you knew a Convicted Murderer was hanging around your daughter, and is in charge of the future of a little girl, in the same situation as Larry what would you do?

I'll be damn Honest, I'd throw the guy under the buss the first chance I got. And I'm not NEARLY as much of an Asshole as Larry. If that guy just happened to be a Black man, am I a racist for it? (I'm not white, I'm mixed, but still I look white enough.)

The whole black thug jail bit comes from somewhere. We see more blacks in jails than in universities. It is a stereotype, it came from somewhere but as I said stereotypes are over hyped and extended to the entire group. (In this case saying all blacks are jail cretons) I agree, things are far more complicated than the states can show. So before the German mod comes over here and gets worried about our racial talk, lets affirm that we are basically in agreement.

All I am saying is that to see a white man (an older one at that) mistreating a black is not a new thing in the United States and historically it has been for racist reasons, so naturally people would stereotype and assume that mistreatment of blacks at the hands of whites is racially motivated. (as the game choice shows) Doesn't mean its the truth 100%, 50% or 10% of the time it just means people are likely to draw that conclusion.

To your question...I mean Lee is not "hanging around" Lilly. They are not dating and it's the bloody end of the world. Would I be nervous? Yes. But I don't know that I would try and kill him because he is a killer himself. Either expose him and kick him out the group or just keep an eye on him. But would I accuse you of racist? LOL No, but at the same time I didn't think Larry was either.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Death689God

Neither does the Stereotype that Blacks commit more Crime in the states, or that father abandonment is more common, those have their reasons as well, but it doesn't mean every blacdk person does that NOR does it mean the reasons are some magical voodoo quality in their skin that makes them behave that way... Things are FAR more complicated than statistics, and stereotypes.

I know racists all to well, Larry isn't one. Southern racist aren't so covert about it, plus, once again, the ONLY justification people have for claiming he's a Racist is that he's an asshole to Lee... He's an Asshole to EVERYONE, and clearly states his problem with lee in particular is that he's a CONVICTED MURDERER!

Now I have an Honest to God/The Gods/FSM question: If you knew a Convicted Murderer was hanging around your daughter, and is in charge of the future of a little girl, in the same situation as Larry what would you do?

I'll be damn Honest, I'd throw the guy under the buss the first chance I got. And I'm not NEARLY as much of an Asshole as Larry. If that guy just happened to be a Black man, am I a racist for it? (I'm not white, I'm mixed, but still I look white enough.)

actually the only justification i had was Lee saying it to mark, i figured it was a way of us learning what happened in between episodes just like how we find out about lee's family, i thought i could be a lie but i could just think everything he says is a lie and maybe he isnt even called Lee, maybe he invented the virus got a sex change and coloured his skin and he is wonder woman, but i just went by what i was told

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by Death689God

You've never been to America have you? I don't know of a SINGLE Racist stereotype involving hoods. Rednecks, Skinheads, etc, sure. But I have never heard of "Racists wear Hoods" and I'm from one of the more racist parts of America... Also, we don't expect them to KILL other races. We expect them to have issue with someone because of a STUPID SUPERSTITIOUS belief that someone's actions and worth are based on their Skin Color.

I work for your government. I live in the Capital.

The reference to the hoods is a reference to the Klan. So I am saying Americans won't think you are racist (if you are an American) unless you are with the Klan. Meaning you have to be very extreme and vocal with your hate.

I am surprised that as a southern boy you have never heard of "racist wear hoods."

So the statement was just saying that in order for an American to be deemed racist they have to be with the klan or a convicted killer of multiple "colored" people. It's..satire.

I am in effect saying that the burden of proof to show an American racist is extreme. I'm sorry I have to explain all this to you.

[Death689God]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

The whole black thug jail bit comes from somewhere. We see more blacks in jails than in universities. It is a stereotype, it came from somewhere but as I said stereotypes are over hyped and extended to the entire group. (In this case saying all blacks are jail cretons) I agree, things are far more complicated than the states can show. So before the German mod comes over here and gets worried about our racial talk, lets affirm that we are basically in agreement.

All I am saying is that to see a white man (an older one at that) mistreating a black is not a new thing in the United States and historically it has been for racist reasons, so naturally people would stereotype and assume that mistreatment of blacks at the hands of whites is racially motivated. (as the game choice shows) Doesn't mean its the truth 100%, 50% or 10% of the time it just means people are likely to draw that conclusion.

To your question...I mean Lee is not "hanging around" Lilly. They are not dating and it's the bloody end of the world. Would I be nervous? Yes. But I don't know that I would try and kill him because he is a killer himself. Either expose him and kick him out the group or just keep an eye on him. But would I accuse you of racist? LOL No, but at the same time I didn't think Larry was either.

Well, if you don't think he was, I don't think he was, and The Spy doesn't think he was, then... I really haven't seen many people posting saying he is... It makes me wonder how many other people hit option one on accident for the same reasons I did. LOL

[thestalkinghead]

i didn't just come to this conclusion on my own, i wouldn't have said larry was racist in the first episode (but he didn't have much chance) but early in the second episode Lee can say he is to mark, there are no (lie) and there is no evidence either way that for the past 3 weeks that larry had treated Lee any worse or any better than anybody else so maybe if you say he is a racist it meant he was racist the past few weeks and if you dont say it he wasnt

[klapaucius]

I didn't want to call him a racist but that was the only aggressive option available. I didn't want Lee to be understanding.

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i didn't just come to this conclusion on my own, i wouldn't have said larry was racist in the first episode (but he didn't have much chance) but early in the second episode Lee can say he is to mark, there are no (lie) and there is no evidence either way that for the past 3 weeks that larry had treated Lee any worse or any better than anybody else so maybe if you say he is a racist it meant he was racist the past few weeks and if you dont say it he wasnt

Or because Larry knows Lee is a murderer, and has shown a hatred for everyone in the past episode and during this episode.

Not to mention he cares for Clem's safety meaning that he cannot be a racist at all if he cares for her. AND he saved Lee's life during the episode, if he was racist, he wouldn't think Lee is a good survivor and have the zombie kill him before he killed the zombie.

It's rather obvious he wasn't a racist.

[dubesor]

I agree Carley and Lilly look way too similar. There are some differences but it's hard to tell in the beginning. They should have just made Carley blond or ginger.