[Spoilers] Lily's reaction to choice at end of episode 2

[aguyuno]

Lily's one of the people against stealing from the car at the end of this episode 2, as we know. The thing is, Lily's a person who would rather throw people out to their deaths, including a kid (Duck in episode 1) she thinks MAY be bitten, without a second thought... but she draws the line at stealing?

This just seemed weird to me, but then I thought about it more and I realised the depth of the characters in this game that this shows. Lily's all about control, but she will NOT get her hands dirty. She would never, for example, kill Duck or someone else who was bitten - she just wants them out. She's one of those people of the "I just pushed him in front of the train - it was the TRAIN who killed him!" mentality. This can be seen even when (if) you tell her that you shot Jolene. The woman had a crossbow to you and was rambling about nailing your testicles to a tree, but Lily's still of the "oh my god how could you do that!" persuasion.

So yeah, I just think that's cool. It, of course, also just makes me hate Lily even more than I already DID as a person, but yeah. Anyone else notice character details like this that might otherwise go unseen?

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Well...recall that when Lee and co. came out of the woods with Ben she was ready to shoot on sight had it been zombies. But then again I suppose that's a little different from killing a kid you suspect may be a zombie. Still I call that getting hands dirty.

But what about this idea..maybe with the death of her father just moments ago she started to change and see things a little differently. People do change.

Maybe she was like 'someone just took from me, I don't want to take from someone else.' didn't she say something about being a monster that just came right out of the woods.

[Kiel555]

I don't hate Lilly, I like her. She's just in the wrong role. She's not a leader but rather a boss and her biggest, and I think only, supporter is now taking a dirt nap. She seems to be backing away from a control approach to working with the group approach. Of course in the preview to episode 3 she's back to control mode.

Her comments seemed harh and aimed at Kenny which seems understandable (the monster comment about ruining people's lives) but I was suprised as well that she did not want loot the car. I figured she had a rough day and just wasn't herself.

[Trilobyte]

Originally Posted by The_Cheshire_Cat

Maybe she was like 'someone just took from me, I don't want to take from someone else.' didn't she say something about being a monster that just came right out of the woods.

Yeah, I think that's what was going on there. I do agree with the OP that her character isn't as one-sided as she first appears though, and I'd bet big money that will be very clear in e3. I think other than a control freak, she's also someone who actually likes to make the unpopular decisions because it gives her a sense of significance. There are always people who go against the general consensus just because it makes them stand out. To me at this point she's coming off as that type of person.

All that being said, I get a strong feeling she's going to be very different after her dad's death. E3 should show some different sides of her personality, and I doubt they'll be good ones.

[GenericMartini]

I never understood what any of Lilly's motives are. She seems to want to survive and be moral but she goes along with most of Lee's ideals and plans(bringing David/Travis in along with Ben despite being adamantly against it, despite saying she doesn't want to steal, she take it anyway?)

Lilly is a very weird character who is very indecisive she goes with it anyways? I guess she realizes that if she can't win she just her opponent feel so they can suffer, too (Evidenced by her giving you the food duty, not shooting Andy, and looking very disappointed with Lee if he choose to take the food) She's just that kind've person. I personally don't like but to each their own.

[Master of Aeons]

I think she'll soften up if you sided with her in Ep2. If you do, Kenny becomes less defined and more of an antagonist. I think Kenny and Lily are opposite ends of the morality bar. So long as you're not her enemy, you'll see more definition from her.

[FarmerJoe]

I agree Lilly didn't want to risk her group by leaving the pharmacy but Larry was the only one who wanted to throw Duck out.

Lilly: "Dad it's just a boy" and "nobody is doing anything"
Larry replies:"Shut up Lilly!"

Would Lilly of stood up to her father and stopped him? I don't know, I personally thought that she loved him deeply but was also a little scared of him.
I think she is a woman who has been shaped a lot by her father i.e joining the Air force(Larry is ex-military) and taking on the leadership roles to impress him.

Lilly is wary of new survivors joining the group i.e in the pharmacy she tells the others Lee's group could of been dangerous, and also wanting Ben to leave after helping his friend, but once you've proven yourself she'll have your back. I would trust her loyalty more so than Kenny who seems very family focused, above everything else.

[Zeruis]

I just support Lilly all the way after the incident at the meat locker. After not taking the food and supplies, I'm happy she went along with my decision.

[Sergiy]

Yeah, I think Lilly is a great character.

[CiscoKidd81]

Originally Posted by aguyuno

Lily's one of the people against stealing from the car at the end of this episode 2, as we know. The thing is, Lily's a person who would rather throw people out to their deaths, including a kid (Duck in episode 1) she thinks MAY be bitten, without a second thought... but she draws the line at stealing?

This just seemed weird to me, but then I thought about it more and I realised the depth of the characters in this game that this shows. Lily's all about control, but she will NOT get her hands dirty. She would never, for example, kill Duck or someone else who was bitten - she just wants them out. She's one of those people of the "I just pushed him in front of the train - it was the TRAIN who killed him!" mentality. This can be seen even when (if) you tell her that you shot Jolene. The woman had a crossbow to you and was rambling about nailing your testicles to a tree, but Lily's still of the "oh my god how could you do that!" persuasion.

So yeah, I just think that's cool. It, of course, also just makes me hate Lily even more than I already DID as a person, but yeah. Anyone else notice character details like this that might otherwise go unseen?

You can't blame Lily for wanting to take out Duck..

[WowMutt]

Eeeps I kinda disagree here.. lol

*puts on combat armor*

There's been several references to Lily being military and is why she's in charge.
People think she has some leadership quality

Her Air Farce job was Aviation Admin.. she ordered a typewriter most of the time.
She had no real leadership training especially in a ZA senerio.
She was mostly looking out for her father.. Understandable but doesnt make her qualified.. Kenny is a husband and father looking out for his family and I think resents being given orders by anyone else that makes decision not in his best interest!
Kenny is they type that will say "if you're not with me, you're against me" forcing you to side one way or another!

I think Lily was still very distraught over her dad being killed and was more siding not to loot the car as "it doesnt matter anymore.. we're all dead soon anyways" frame of mind.

But as I had my Lee kill her dad, I do expect her not to invite me for cookies and milk anytime soon. In fact, I'm sure I'll need to keep and eye on her or proably choose to save someone else over her before she attempts revenge.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by WowMutt

I think Lily was still very distraught over her dad being killed and was more siding not to loot the car as "it doesnt matter anymore.. we're all dead soon anyways" frame of mind.

I'll agree with that and would further add that she would have sided against any suggestion made by Kenny at that point. She does take a box when Lee endorses the idea. Had Larry been there at the end, it would have been a much shorter discussion before taking the food and Lilly wouldn't have objected.

[Red Panda]

Lilly's choice not to steal seems right in step with her personality to me.

In Lilly's view, there is the group and the rest of the world. She is concerned with taking care of the group--which gets harder as it grows--but has never shown signs of actively trying to screw people over.

In episode 1, she didn't want to help Lee's group but wasn't trying to kick them out ince they arrived. She had the same reaction to the arrival of Ben.

On St Johns Dairy, Kenny suggested the possibility of taking over the farm if need be. She wanted to trade food and leave them be.

She's the only one that show concern for Lee and Mark. Kenny was busy plotting taking over the farm.

If you choose not to kill the brothers she seemed to give a look of approval.

I think Lilly is one of the most loyal and compassionate characters in the game. She puts the group above helping a stranger which makes her seem evil but it's hard choice she has to make, like Larry said.

Kenny will bring a stranger into the group and be pissed when there's no food or you feed Ben. What is that? And he's shown with Shawn, Larry, and Lee how opportunistic he is. He'll help or hurt you depending on how it serves him and his family.

By the end of episode 2 I was pro Lilly. She won me over.

[Scelous]

You know that Lilly is from the comic books, right? She's an evil POS in the comic books, at least.

[duNksteN]

Don't about you guys but since Kenny ran away when Shawn needed help at Hershel's farm
I was always against him...
LILLY ALL DA WAAY!!!

[FarmerJoe]

Originally Posted by CiscoKidd81

You can't blame Lily for wanting to take out Duck..

but Lilly didn't want to throw Duck out, only Larry did.
play or watch that scene again... "Dad it's just a boy"

[Makroskizhar]

In all fairness, Lilly never actually makes a comment on throwing Duck out at the pharmacy... she merely defends her father, who is making a massive commotion about sending the kid outside.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by Makroskizhar

In all fairness, Lilly never actually makes a comment on throwing Duck out at the pharmacy...

Actually she does. If you play through and remain silent when asked to make a decision to reason or fight with Larry and just let the scene escalate, she totally agrees with her father.

Compassionate isn't a word I'd use to describe Lily. She's all head, no heart, the polar opposite of Kenny who reacts emotionally without thought. Unless a person has purpose she see no value in them.

[Makroskizhar]

Originally Posted by Cyreen

Actually she does. If you play through and remain silent when asked to make a decision to reason or fight with Larry and just let the scene escalate, she totally agrees with her father.

Compassionate isn't a word I'd use to describe Lily. She's all head, no heart, the polar opposite of Kenny who reacts emotionally without thought. Unless a person has purpose she see no value in them.

Ahhh fair enough, I always made a choice to help Kenny defend his kid, I had no idea she would side with her father.

And I totally agree with you, I would hardly use the term compassionate to describe Lily.

[j.em26]

You guys do realize we're discussing about a lady here, don't you ?

My thoughts, I don't really think Lilly is bitch, having seen playthroughs on youtube favoring both Lilly and Kenny distinctively and playing the game myself, I figured, at best, Lilly is the better person to count on.

I agree that Lilly is just trying to do her job as a leader. How she even volunteered herself to be a leader is beyond my knowledge, but I'm assuming the entire group let her be the leader because she's the one whose even thinking about routines and stuffs, so that makes her the de-facto leader. And it's not because people voted for her, it's just people keeping quiet about it because they're too caught up with the current zombie apocalypse incident, and Lilly seems to be the only one whose capable of even thinking of forming a group at a time like this.

She doesn't vote to throw Duck out, yet she doesn't agree to save Lee & Co when they arrived at the drug store. What does this mean ? Well, I guess she probably felt that if Carley and Glenn went out and saved them, both of them will risk giving the entire group away should their rescue attempt failed. At the same time, she'd probably wouldn't feel too good if they got left there. Imo, what this tells me is that Lilly truly empathizes with Lee's group, but chooses to avoid helping him because her own group has trouble coping with matters.

I disagree with Lilly being all "We're all gonna die mentality" at the looting car scene. Think about it, your dad just got murdered. Your head is all over the place, you probably feel like putting a bullet through your head right now because things don't matter anymore, but at the same time, you can't die because you wanna live or because you have to keep moving on for the sake of others. The very fact that she mentioned "Not everyone (can be saved)" when Kenny mentions how the amount of food can save everyone else in the group is just a way of saying that "we lost another member we could have saved".

I say this all the time and I'll say it again. Lilly, Larry and Kenny display very altruistic behavior, prioritize yourself and your kin before anyone else. Their personalities are the most realistic of any other character's. If a zombie apocalypse happens right now, everybody would be busy saving their own asses first. If you even have a friend who willingly risks his own life just to save you, it shows that you're extremely lucky.

Kenny might have been a great friend, he backs you up all the time. But action speaks louder than words, he chose to freeze when Danny was going to kill you. Which is understandable because he can't risk his life to save Lee when it's better off saving his family. He'd rather die for his family, this is a fact. Altruism people, altruism. Kenny prioritizes his family above anyone else, then only the rest.

Lilly is the other way round, everyone in general first, then specific person. As tough as it might seem, she's actually trying to maintain the group's morale. And Kenny just chimed in to make things worse because his family isn't getting the priority. I'm pretty sure, you'd understand, as a leader you'd rather give food to people who can protect your camp first.

Safety > Food, if your watchmen lacks the energy, you're practically left defenseless. What would keeping a kid full help you when your defense is down ? Some people can survive hunger for a long long time. That's how I see and feel that this is what Lilly thinks.

If you guys side with her, you'll find that she's actually a very unconfident lady who looks to Lee for support in her decisions. She doesn't want to be a bitch, but she has no choice but to be on. For the sake of everyone else.