[SPOILERS] CARLEY [Ep 3 discussion]

[Nokando]

Hang on a sec, isn't it ironic that we are complaining about 'bring dead people back' threads, when at the end of the day that's the whole point of the zombie apocalypse?

I blame christianity. That popularised all this back from the dead nonsense in the first place, when in actuality the crucifixion 1st team were on holiday & the reserve crew messed it up.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Seath

It seems really weird that the group didnt give two shits about Carley/Doug, and left them there for Zombie food, without checking pulse/life signs.

In Doug's case there was definitely a chance, but just to beat that dead horse 1 more time for good measure: they're dead. As in doornails. Bought the farm. Kicked the bucket. Kaput. Finito. Hasta la vista. Game Over (literally).

Let's all bow our head and give closure to their untimely demise and like this topic, may they rest in peace.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Originally Posted by Xarne

If this game played like the comics, people would be in therapy
btw I just read #100...omg

This is an interactive game where we are in the middle of it and controlling (mostly) how events and our relationships with the characters plays out. We weren't reading about Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. We ARE Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. It's a no brainier people are going to take her death more personally than reading it happening in a comic book.

[Keladis]

I hate that they killed Carley... Even wished that TTG would of gave us a chance to save her, but in no way should TTG bring her back. She got shot point blank in the face there is no coming back from that! At lest not in a zombie infested world.

This is The Walking Dead people die! No one is safe! (except maybe Lee only cause we are playing him) The fact that people are as emotional about Carley's death just going to show that TTG has done an awesome job and creating characters that we care about.

[DawgTheGamer]

Originally Posted by Keladis

I hate that they killed Carley... Even wished that TTG would of gave us a chance to save her, but in no way should TTG bring her back. She got shot point blank in the face there is no coming back from that! At lest not in a zombie infested world.

This is The Walking Dead people die! No one is safe! (except maybe Lee only cause we are playing him) The fact that people are as emotional about Carley's death just going to show that TTG has done an awesome job and creating characters that we care about.

I'm pissed that she has to die the way she did, if you look closely she was shot in the lower face cheek area, I am pretty sure that is less lethal than full on headshot. She also doesn't fall down dead if you listen she is breathing, and no one gives a shit, not even Lee who was starting to have feeling for her in my playthrough. Also we are right next to lilly and there was no chance to bat away the gun.

[Maugly]

It's interesting to notice that Ben does not do much in the rest of the episode. That means they could just as much drag Carley/Doug along instead of Ben.

[DawgTheGamer]

Originally Posted by Maugly

It's interesting to notice that Ben does not do much in the rest of the episode. That means they could just as much drag Carley/Doug along instead of Ben.

Exactly, Ben is a waste of a character compared to Doug and Carly

[Ezrawa]

Its not the fact that she died, It's more the way how they did it. BOOM bye Carley (my favo character). 1min later bye lilly. 5min later bye katje etc... And we couldn't do anything about it.

[ZombieGoBoom]

Originally Posted by Nokando

1) Actually, miracles can't happen and don't happen. Really. Magic does not really exist.
2) Well equipped as in a state of the art brain surgery hospital, following cryogenic evacuation from the field by helicopter.
3) In emergency situations, major incidents and disasters there is a system called 'triage'. Any medical professional coming across a casualty shot in the head during a zombie apocalypse would count her as dead. The medical professionals who had spent any time trying to help people in that state would have already been eaten. Probably by other medical professionals!

1/ Then lets call it dumb luck if you like.
2/ If the back of Carley's head exploded then a lot of this discussion would be over. If Lee or someone actually checked her but it seemed everyone assumed Carley was dead.
3/ Give it up. I think a lot of us in the Carley camp would like to give the girl a chance, regardless how slim. The only ones who has the final say in this debate is TTG and I will willingly accept it either way.

If you like to know, in another thread I might a point which is against her possible return... at least to the group. If Carley somehow survived she is going to be PI**ED to no end that she was left for dead, making any reunion nearly impossible.

[DawgTheGamer]

Originally Posted by ZombieGoBoom

1/ Then lets call it dumb luck if you like.
2/ If the back of Carley's head exploded then a lot of this discussion would be over. If Lee or someone actually checked her but it seemed everyone assumed Carley was dead.
3/ Give it up. I think a lot of us in the Carley camp would like to give the girl a chance, regardless how slim. The only ones who has the final say in this debate is TTG and I will willingly accept it either way.

If you like to know, in another thread I might a point which is against her possible return... at least to the group. If Carley somehow survived she is going to be PI**ED to no end that she was left for dead, making any reunion nearly impossible.

Yea for 2 Carly was shot in the lower face i am surprised about how many people don't notice this. And she can be heard breathing and no one does anything if anything closure would have been nice, minimum. For 3, yea TTG has final say so, i just hope they take fan feedback into consideration

[DawgTheGamer]

Originally Posted by Seath

How Lee handled Carleys Death was really sloppy written in my opinion.
There was no time for a burial? Because what? Walkers?

He should have carried her into the RV, you just dont let somebody lying on the side on the street, especially sb who you liked. He should have hoped that she somehow survived the shot. (Remember Carl in the Comics? Yup sb. blew half of his face off) Heck, I would have been happy if he could just shed a tear.

I mean there was so much potential on how to handle the loss of a dear groupmember. Not just let him lay on the side of a road and devote him 2 speech lines. (Ben and Katjaa).

I kinda got that feeling that her death wasn't planned, but got changed mid development, because they couldnt keep up with the deadlines.

Agree 100%

[Keladis]

Originally Posted by DawgTheGamer

I'm pissed that she has to die the way she did, if you look closely she was shot in the lower face cheek area, I am pretty sure that is less lethal than full on headshot. She also doesn't fall down dead if you listen she is breathing, and no one gives a shit, not even Lee who was starting to have feeling for her in my playthrough. Also we are right next to lilly and there was no chance to bat away the gun.

I am not 100% sure but I believe that sniper are suppose to aim for the cheek area of the face somewhere around or below the eyes but above the mouth, so I would believe that her being shot in the check would be more deadly, but I could be wrong.


I do agree the way she die was shitty, but shit happens not a lot we can do about it.

I think they handle that scene all wrong after she was shot because like you said after she was shot it seemed like it was omg wtf did you do and everyone moved on and just assumed she was dead and moved on without even a second thought.

I really think that after Lee disarmed Lily they should of had him and others check on make it feel like people cared. I also for one wouldn't have left her just lying on the side of the road if I had a choice.

I also agree with you I think we should of had a option to try and stop Lily. In fact I think we should of had a chance to take on more of a leadership role with the group by the start of chapter 3 because I for one felt something bad was coming with the way Lily was losing it after the death of her father and I for one would not of allowed her to carry a gun. She was too unstable.

[skepticalguy90]

Originally Posted by Keladis

I am not 100% sure but I believe that sniper are suppose to aim for the cheek area of the face somewhere around or below the eyes but above the mouth, so I would believe that her being shot in the check would be more deadly, but I could be wrong.


I do agree the way she die was shitty, but shit happens not a lot we can do about it.

I think they handle that scene all wrong after she was shot because like you said after she was shot it seemed like it was omg wtf did you do and everyone moved on and just assumed she was dead and moved on without even a second thought.

I really think that after Lee disarmed Lily they should of had him and others check on make it feel like people cared. I also for one wouldn't have left her just lying on the side of the road if I had a choice.

I also agree with you I think we should of had a option to try and stop Lily. In fact I think we should of had a chance to take on more of a leadership role with the group by the start of chapter 3 because I for one felt something bad was coming with the way Lily was losing it after the death of her father and I for one would not of allowed her to carry a gun. She was too unstable.

I think they typically aim for around the heart region. On a long range shot, near center of mass is your best probability for a hit.

[Gman5852]

Originally Posted by Ezrawa

Its not the fact that she died, It's more the way how they did it. BOOM bye Carley (my favo character). 1min later bye lilly. 5min later bye katje etc... And we couldn't do anything about it.

Lilly had to leave to fufill comic canon, you were watching Carley, not Lilly when she shot you, so you didn't even know she had the gun, and you weren't even with Katjaa when she committed suicide, so that is also not a possibility.

[Keladis]

Originally Posted by skepticalguy90

I think they typically aim for around the heart region. On a long range shot, near center of mass is your best probability for a hit.

That's probably the preferred target but I am talking about when they have to take a head shot. I believe they aim for something they call a T zone, which is the are around the eyes and cheek.

Like I said I could be wrong as I am no sniper, but I think that is something I read or seen in a documentary.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by ZombieGoBoom

This is an interactive game where we are in the middle of it and controlling (mostly) how events and our relationships with the characters plays out. We weren't reading about Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. We ARE Lee Everette who lost Carley to a gunshot. It's a no brainier people are going to take her death more personally than reading it happening in a comic book.

Oh come now, it's not like you're in the RV with them, cold and half starved. You're still in your underwear, behind a keyboard, warm in your house. Please.
And that wasnt the point about the comics, the level of interaction, it's the level of unspeakable acts that happen to these people not only by the walkers but by their own kind (humans). Makes this game look like The Sims: Undead.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by staff

Not possible She is not dead She is Alive because Clearly she got shot in the cheek....

haha someone said this earlier and got banned

[Zombies are Awesome!]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

Lilly had to leave to fufill comic canon, you were watching Carley, not Lilly when she shot you, so you didn't even know she had the gun, and you weren't even with Katjaa when she committed suicide, so that is also not a possibility.

Exactly. This is whats stupid. Basically Lilly killing Carley/Doug was just an "excuse" for her to leave. It was sloppy writing

[DawgTheGamer]

Originally Posted by Xarne

haha someone said this earlier and got banned

I have said this numerous times with a better description and I didn't get banned, time to push my luck, LOL

[Zombies are Awesome!]

It was just sloppy writing. Having Lilly kill Carley/Doug just so she could leave, so she could be in the book/comic