Team Lily to the end (appreciation thread)

[Dead_Man_Walking]

Originally Posted by LokiHavok

Yeah that's true. But that small sign of life only means that Lilly's CPR worked. Or that he was about to reanimate. We'll never know.

Lilly's shooting of Carley was flat-out overt murder. Kenny's choice was circumstantial. He made the most logical choice imo. I sided with him because of that.

But then again I've overtly murdered characters in this game as Lee. The SaveLots woman for example. The Brothers Johns. So who am I to judge lol.

It just goes to show: We're all going to Zombie Hell.

[YamiRaziel]

Originally Posted by LokiHavok

Yeah that's true. But that small sign of life only means that Lilly's CPR worked. Or that he was about to reanimate. We'll never know.

Lilly's shooting of Carley was flat-out overt murder. Kenny's choice was circumstantial. He made the most logical choice imo. I sided with him because of that.

But then again I've overtly murdered characters in this game as Lee. The SaveLots woman for example. The Brothers Johns. So who am I to judge lol.

Not exactly. I agree we might have to put Larry down but there were other, better ways of doing it. Fu**ing up the leader with such a cold blood murder and then saying "I had to, it was necessary" this was the beginning of the end. He started destroying this group, he drove Lily to this state of mind. In told him in the end of episode 2. "You destroyed this group and murdered 2 lives" Lily's (not literally ofc) and Larry's. I blame everything that has happened since that night on him.
You can't just kill one of your own that way and expect this group to survive. We tore apart and Carley was the scapegoat.
Then Kenny was punished by fate. He clearly showed that if it was his son or wife in the meat locker he wouldn't have smashed their heads. It wasn't the right thing to do in my eyes and it never will.
I also didn't kill Joline and killed the poor girl in the beginning of ep 3. I couldn't have let her being eaten alive. I put Duck out of his misery and killed both the Saint John's brothers. I'm always looking for my own. Even if it is Kenny or Ben, I will still try to save them. I would like to see them gone though.

Guys I have some problems. I can't understand how is this possible - http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Everett_Ray_Caul if her father is Larry. The death scene described in that scene has nothing to do with what happened in the game. I thought Lilly (game) and Lilly Caul (comic book) were the same person? Am I missing something?

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by Dead_Man_Walking

When they found the bag of medication, and Ben confessed, in a sense, lily was right. The only problem was, she didn't see the big picture. I think that's all she's guilty of. Oh, and for those that got ditched, yeah, I was mad, too. However, maybe that was her way of saying she screwed up, and the group would be better off without her. It was a messed up plan of action, but lots of things are messed up in the spur of the moment. When you (Lee) went for the pencil, she could have easily snuck up on you and broke your neck. :/

Thanks for the post. I agree with you 100%. The only thing I would add is that when Lilly ditched us (Lee and Clem) I was not upset. She had saved Lee's life back when Andy was about to put Lee's face in the electric fence (and with Danny as well). It was as if we both said "we're even" as she paused and then drove away.

[YamiRaziel]

I'll miss her, definitely. She was such a great character, the only one alongside Clem that I really cared about. If the game allowed me I would've run away with her!

I guess I'll have to wait for the book ... and damn... I really like that cover! http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Th...ad_To_Woodbury

I guess the book will be released before episode 4 :P

[WestSideSamurai]

Lilly is a baby killer. I hope she dies a slow painful death.

[YamiRaziel]

Lilly's badass survivor, who actually has a clue how to run a group. That baby thing was an accident. In my opinion she's the best developed character in the game. No wonder she gets to be a protagonist of the second book!

[kirby18]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

IBoth cowards and both DUBM as a bag of hammers.

Irony at its finest.

[Gennadios]

Yeah, I really grew to like her as a character. Once she's done murdering Lori she'll always have a place back in the group.

[kirby18]

I read most of your ramble but as i didnt read the comic im just basing my post on the episode and in that regard you are flat out wrong. there are no resounding qualities in lilly that would make someone like her the best. I like lilly but lee and carly are just in developed so the gamer likes them better.

secondly, carly was much more usefull than lilly. I dont know what your talking about that she never spoke up im pretty sure when lilly completely lost her mind and blindly accused her of stealing she stood up for herself. As for spliting up the group there is noone else to blame besides lilly. usually shooting another member of the group after losing her mind would cause the group to split.

Also she bought the responsibility and "leadership" on herself. and as it turns out kenny was right- the group should have left the motel earlier. you than continue to place blame on everyone besides lilly when it is clearly lillys fault as to why she lost her mind. haha i hope you dont seriously say that its others ppl fault for not reading her mind. your best case is to atleast split the blame with kenny.

fact is lilly saw that her power was diminishing and rightly so, so when carly put her in her place she couldnt handle it. she has no standout characteristics that helped the group in anyway. i personally think you take this stance just to be different... hipster.

honestly i give lilly credit for her actions when the bandits attacked, and for saving lee but thats about all. leadership wise, she was one of the worst.

ill end with an analogy to kenny and lilly as the presidentail election, both candidates suck but one is just a little less worse than the other.

[YamiRaziel]

kirby18, yeah I've read most of your posts as well and you've clearly got not idea what's Lilly's character is all about.
Don't tell me I have to like that damsel Carley. Yeah, she never participates in any major conversation except the one where she's the main suspect. She's always in the middle always letting others make the decision. It's easy to follow and then blame the leader. If you've seen the TV show or read the comic book you would know. It's difficult to lead and both Lilly and Rick do not want to, but since there is nobody else that is capable, well they kinda have to.
Nobody wanted to ration the food but everybody was complaining. Why didn't your precious Carley do it? She didn't do anything else, not ever once standing on guard or going hunting. She's like super useless.
Lilly's the one that tells you to be careful when spying on other people's business in the dairy. Later if you save her father, which in my opinion is the only right choice, she saves your ass twice. Even if you don't do it, in episode 3 she still saves everybody's ass when the bandits attack.

How does Kenny respond to that? He kills her father in the most gruesome way and let's you die like 5 times at least. Then he accuses her of not having his family's best interests in mind and tells you to leave her behind when she had just saved your asses.
Yeah, if I was in her place I would be pretty pissed as well.

Why I blame others. Well, for starters Kenny does kill her father. In the worst way possible. You cannot expect her to live through that as if nothing happened. Her own people murdered her father, then they continue on putting the blame for everything on her and in the end there was a fu***** traitor in the group that attracted bandits and zombies. And Kenny tried to leave her behind. She lost everything they've been trying to build for so long and it was like nobody cared. Well, of course that the likes of Carley wouldn't care that much. After all, what good have they done for the group, again?
If I was playing her character instead of Lee's I would be absolutely pissed off. There was just so much one can take. She shot Carley/Ben because she was dead sure it was one of them and guess what - she was fu***** right!
It was not about revenge... believe me, if it was Kenny wouldn't be walking around.

Kenny started all this as well as the whole group's intolerance. If the game allowed me I would've escaped with Lilly and Clem. She's no weakling and despite her loss, she's a survivor and a good leader.
Why I like her? Because I understand her, I can relate to her better than the rest and because I know how hard it is to be a leader and to have every decision you make double-guessed by everyone, despite that nobody else really wants to do it.

[Magic Emperor]

I trust Lilly as far as I can throw her. Which is actually pretty far, off a cliff.

[strela]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

Carley died. Why spend time crying about her? She was missing most of episode 2 anyway...

its just a game why play it at all, its just a waste of time anyway..

[Vold]

Originally Posted by YamiRaziel

SonnyN18, trust her, maybe! Rely on her, not really!
She can shoot walkers but nothing else. Big groups need a leader or that's what happens.

That's what lee is for, Carley say so herself in part 2.

I still support Lily though, i'm the as kenny put "always the diplomat"
lol

trying to support both sides as long as the game allows...

[YamiRaziel]

Well in my eyes at least Lee is more of the muscle and the voice of reason, not exactly the leader. Lilly deals with most of the sh** like rationing the food and keeping lists of medical supplies and stuff.

Of course, now with Lilly being gone and Kenny slowly slipping into crazy land, Lee is the only leader of this group.
That chick, Christa, however strikes me as someone who's used to voicing her opinion and actually looks like the dominant of the duo.

[Sergiy]

Personally I thought Lilly was great. She is a lot like Rick, they both are great leaders and can be ruthless about it. They both made mistakes, mistakes that stay with them. Despite all they do they have the best interest in mind, the keep trying to keep the group together no matter what.

Kenny not only morally destroyed her but, in the state the group was at really contributed to breaking them up, he kept pulling everyone his way, he's got the boat. While Lilly was trying to pull everyone to stay together, the Ben was the one by who's fault there was a witchhunt.

And she was right, if someone was working with the bandits, then the group was in constant danger, she was close with deductions, and in the end just messed up. I could forgive her, had she not stolen the RV I'd have her put back as the leader, after a break of course.

And I agree the "Jail incident" was a heat of the moment action and she redeemed herself.

Also, Raziel please put spoiler tags on the second part of your post, many people here have not read the comics yet.

[YamiRaziel]

That was a really nice post, Sergiy. I agree that she's a lot like Rick. They are both trying very hard and usually end up broken. I would love it if they meet in the comic book, although, I'm not sure how much he'll appreciate her "jail actions".

I'm glad that are people who can really appreciate the complicated character of Lilly.

*fixed. Put a warning on my first post. Thanks for reminding me!

[Kiel555]

Originally Posted by kirby18

fact is lilly saw that her power was diminishing and rightly so, so when carly put her in her place she couldnt handle it. she has no standout characteristics that helped the group in anyway. i personally think you take this stance just to be different... hipster.

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Let me point out that it's not like we just read the same book and to be "different" I'm choosing to like someone that no one else, who read the same book, liked.

Many choices were made along the way that made my game obviously different from your game. Not in terms of the outcome but rather in terms of relationships. It was very tragic to see my best friend kill my other best friend.

I hope that you can understand, based on in game choices, that another person may have a different relationship with the same characters you have met and take that into consideration when posting on a particular character's appreciation thread.

[Cooperal]

As much as Kenny won my favor in episode 1 in contrast to Lilly, after the first arguement of letting survivors in, I had Lillys back for the majority of episode 2. Attempting to save Larry was not an exception. And then I willingly went to investigate the supply issue at the beginning of episode 3.

Did she listen to me when I wanted her to cool it just once? Nope. She ventilated my girls face instead. Her murder was emotionally driven, against someone who wasn't an immediate threat and (although we didn't know at the time) killed the wrong person entirely. She was shooting on an offchance to begin with. Not to mention, it was clear the person she was trying to weed out was acting (extremely stupidly) with the best intentions.

After saying she's not coming with us, how did she justify her action? By throwing me and Kennys murders back at us. She doesn't even realise the difference when I didn't kill on purpose. Or that Kenny didn't kill based on personal bias.

She asks everyone to drop it and tries to convince us that she just let it slide when Kenny killed Larry. Like hell she did!

How else did she argue her case to stay on board? "But I'll die". It's a bit late for that! She was in a condition where the only people safe from a spontaneous bullet was me and the kids. If it's fair, non-hypocritical treatment she wants, the only thing to do without becoming as bad as her is let her wander off and fend for herself.

And I don't think even god knows how she makes her decisions. She flips her lid when we rescue 2 strangers and get them to the motel, but when it comes to an abandoned car, she doesn't want to take the supplies because, unlike letting some strangers die, taking unattended supplies is "wrong".

Out of Kenny and Lilly, which one would I prefer to deal with when they crack under pressure? Kenny! By miles. I wish I gave him more of a hand.

Edit: I am obviously not fond of Lilly, but next to Ben she looks like a gift from heaven.

[Sergiy]

You have to admit, that bringing two more people where theres barely enough food for 4/9 is not the best decision, but on the other hand Lee can't just leave them.

Yeah she can "flip out" but then who wouldn't?
Anyone leading a group of survivors, for over 4 months would flip out, and the rivalry with Kenny does not help at all.

[Rock114]

I liked the tension between Lilly and Kenny. Thought she was a great character, but I didn't like her because I went with Kenny. Thinking about it, Lilly wasn't as bad as I thought she was, and I will miss her. But I stand by my choice to leave her behind, as she flipped and killed Carley for no reason. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Kenny, or Lee to be the leader either. But after Lilly pulled that trigger, she was no longer a part of the group.

I tried to be nice to her in EP3 because I truly did feel bad for her. Heck, I can even admit that she saved us from the bandits when they captured everyone. Letting everyone know Lee was a murderer, well, can't blame her for that. Lee had to know that was going to get out sometime, which is why I was honest with everyone.

Honestly, if she shot Kenny none of us could really blame her. And Carley insulted her at just the wrong moment, which set her off. When she told me she really did think it was Carley, I almost let her stay because of her sincerity. But she killed a group member who helped us escape the motor inn (Carley helps hold off the bandits and walkers, while Doug helps fix the RV) for no reason with no evidence. She was just too dangerous to keep around. I'll miss her, but I won't be letting her back if she miraculously shows up again.