What exactly did Ben do wrong?

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

Taking prisoners is not an attack, no more that civilian arrest counts as violent assault. But regarless, no one had started shotting so there was still an out that could result in zero deaths.

Ok so now you wont even admit that seeing Clem with a shotgun drawn down on her didnt strike you as an act of aggression. A weapon pointed at an 8 yr, and you still think these guys are here to talk about Sunday's game.
Im done here
I'll be waiting for you when you start the 'Lily accidentally shot Carley in the face from 18" thread

[V1V4L4]

For everyone pinning the deaths on Ben, you realize Lilly was ready to waste "suspected thief" already right? She even told lee that you need to line everyone up, she didn't ask or bother for more proof of one person, she was going to intimidate everyone. I imagine D/C would react the same as on the road, shit was about to get real regardless.
Sure Ben messed up but that doesn't pin blame on him, in fact, your whole group was divided on almost every topic.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by walkerbait00

yes but if lee didnt do that than duck turns and kills katjaa clem and ben and than lee than you have to start over and make kenny deal with it katjaa knew what had to be done and asked lee to get kenny imo lee did what he had to do to get his friend to wise up and deal

But it still proves Lee can push through a very sensitive issue and deal in a time constrained situation, just like the bandits, which was my point.

[Googolplexbyte]

Originally Posted by Xarne

Ok so now you wont even admit that seeing Clem with a shotgun drawn down on her didnt strike you as an act of aggression. A weapon pointed at an 8 yr, and you still think these guys are here to talk about Sunday's game.
Im done here

I'd like to remind you that 8 year can now handle a gun, why take the risk. Also never said it wasn't an act of agression just that it wasn't an attack. Plus that was irrelevant anyway, because so what the guys got a fucking gun to clem head one slip up and it's gone, she's not in immediate danger until Lilly pulls her trigger.

Also it's 3.30am here...

[walkerbait00]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

But it still proves Lee can push through a very sensitive issue and deal in a time constrained situation, just like the bandits, which was my point.

yea i mean lilly did over react shes a hothead like her father if it was me i would have played it safe and struck a deal and than got the hell out of there it was way past time to move on i really didnt like lilly as a leader and i am glad she is gone i agree she should have waited to see if the bandits were gonna do anything i think lee had it under control but people do stupid shit when there are zombies walking around lol

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by Googolplexbyte

If it wasn't a losing battle why'd they run, the bandits were getting in the motel, that no defense, neither is the filmsy side of an RV. No one knew who the save lot bandits were composed of, plenty of military vets end up in bum jobs.

The bandits were dying, because there were walkers invading at one end and they were getting shot on the other.

And any bandit killed without a headshot would soon become a walker....

They had to flee. The place was being overrun... but the bandits were screwed.

[Cyreen]

Originally Posted by DreadMagus

...but the bandits were screwed.

Ah, the silver lining!

[bazenji]

First, Ben said the bandits had his friends. More than one friend. Several friends.

Second, do you think Ben was in a position to say, "Oh, interesting offer bandits. Let me go discuss this with the group and get back to you." They had hostages. You know what we do when people take us hostage? We kill you and sic zombies on you and shoot laser pointers in your eyes.

Third, no one even noticed the supplies Ben was giving away were missing. Even Lee says the amount of supplies missing is so small that no one would care once he found out about it. The only reason Lilly knew is because she keeps a secret count of supplies and doesn't tel anyone about it (which is really creepy).

Fourth, Lilly already tried to throw Ben out on his ass back to the walkers. She threw a huge fit over Lee saving his life in the first place. You think Ben wanted to risk that again, especially while people kept treating Lilly like the boss?

Fifth, Lilly tried to throw ALL OF US out at some point. Even Duck and Clementine. She's a cold-blooded asshole. Seriously, she's a psycho fascist monster.

Sixth, Lilly always hated Carley. Always. First time you met her she was fighting Carley for saving our lives. In fact, Lilly spends every episode in a ten minute argument about how we need to kill somebody or throw somebody to the walkers. Are we not even playing the same game? She's a total shit!

Seventh, Lilly shot the bandits. Lilly attracted the zombies. Lilly killed Carley. Lilly was threatening to kill Ben. This wasn't about Ben coming clean in the RV, this was about Lilly looking for someone to shoot in the head to satisfy her bloodlust and thirst for power and control.

tl;dr Lilly's a piece of shit.

[chaz99]

He betrayed a group that took him in when they were in dire straits, fed their enemies vital supplies and got one of those in the group killed in the process. He's a liability- lacking courage, integrity, decency and moral fiber.

Even if the amount he was stealing was insignificant, he demonstrates that he does not belong with the group by the choices he made. He betrayed the group for "a friend". What the hell is the group to him, then?

He deserves to be raped by dogs.