Man " adapt to the choices you make"? What choices?!?

[boxman]

Originally Posted by JackSeifer

Every decision made up to this point really didn't make no difference at all. What's the point of saving Carley or Doug if they die anyway? What's the point of sided with Lily or doing all you can to save Larry if Lily leaves and you pretty much patch up things with Kenny? Every choice in this game is bullshit and pointless, it's too much of a rail game, even that bs decision where you had to give out food. I don't care at all about putting up more money towards the game but damn c'mon can I at least get more options which will actually effect something? I loved the game up but the lack of how ineffective my decisions are to the story is pissing me off. Dude, throw a donate button on your site and I wouldn't mind kicking out some cash for an actual update that would tidy up some choices so you actually can save Carley or leave with Lily or something.

You clearly have no idea about game development and are expecting way too much. Saying choices dont do shit is bull.. My game had entire different conversations, with characters behaving completely different compared to playthroughs by people who made different choices. How is this no choices?
Because i saved Doug my gameplay also changed in certain areas. During last episode I had to for example deal with all the zombies at motel myself, because I did not have Carley to help me out. I also was not able tell my secret to anyone since Carley did not tip me off.
Kenny acted like a asshole throughout this whole episode because and did not help me out when i was in trouble because of choices i made in episode 2.
How does this equal no choices?? Can you tell me of any games besides heavy rain that actually does this as good or better??

[Master of Aeons]

Heavy Rain doesn't do it better. It's just as linear. The only difference is that it already has its endings out for people to cite.

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

My heart goes out to you. Don't let the bullies get you down.

[jaybreezy]

Agree with boxman, although I have no clue what Heavy Rain is.

The choices do matter. If you chose to save Carley you get her instead of Doug, Kenny is either your best friend or a complete jackass, disussions change. I have never been this involved in a video game before in my life and that makes the $25 that I spent on this game worth every penny.

If somehow the ending to the game varies depending on your choices throughout then that would elevate (for me anyway) this game to the best game I've probably ever played.

[Pianaman]

It's true, you don't get to change who lives or who dies or have big effects.

But other things do change. Your relationships with the characters, the way that Lee develops, etc. Not the big sweeping "YOUR GAME IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT" things, but smaller, more subtle things.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by JackSeifer

Every decision made up to this point really didn't make no difference at all. What's the point of saving Carley or Doug if they die anyway? What's the point of sided with Lily or doing all you can to save Larry if Lily leaves and you pretty much patch up things with Kenny? Every choice in this game is bullshit and pointless, it's too much of a rail game, even that bs decision where you had to give out food. I don't care at all about putting up more money towards the game but damn c'mon can I at least get more options which will actually effect something? I loved the game up but the lack of how ineffective my decisions are to the story is pissing me off. Dude, throw a donate button on your site and I wouldn't mind kicking out some cash for an actual update that would tidy up some choices so you actually can save Carley or leave with Lily or something.

I read your post. You want to throw more money at the game so you can get the 'nobody dies' ending. That's not what this story or the game is about.
See my sig for what you're looking for. They didnt run out of money and thats why people are dying, people are dying cause there is a ZA in effect. Deaths will occur, much like in real life, where you have no chance of stopping them either.

[happeee]

@ItsMeArmani: What time constraints? Something about the time TTG spent hauling our cash to the bank? If there were *any* time constraints I could almost understand the chronic delays-with-no-information. My family would be homeless if my promises to clients were so empty.

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by happeee

@ItsMeArmani: What time constraints? Something about the time TTG spent hauling our cash to the bank? If there were *any* time constraints I could almost understand the chronic delays-with-no-information. My family would be homeless if my promises to clients were so empty.

empty you say? In what way?

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by happeee

@ItsMeArmani: What time constraints? Something about the time TTG spent hauling our cash to the bank? If there were *any* time constraints I could almost understand the chronic delays-with-no-information. My family would be homeless if my promises to clients were so empty.

How about taking your complaints about the delays to the proper place and stop trying to take over yet another thread with things that have been said over and over and over again?

[HelloCthulhu]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

how about taking your complaints about the delays to the proper place and stop trying to take over yet another thread with things that have been said over and over and over again?

+100

[The_Cheshire_Cat]

Originally Posted by happeee

My family would be homeless if my promises to clients were so empty.

imagine if every business was ran like telltale.

[lucidity02]

I think part of the disconnect here is based on why players choose to play narrative-based games. For me, "choice matters" is a highly subjective term -- choosing dialogue option A over option B, for example, may not necessarily change the story in any tangible way, but it's still a choice that I made. I play these games for the same reason I watch movies: to get immersed and lost in a fictional world, which allows me to take a break from reality. Regardless of what changes based on my decisions, they're still decisions that I make, ones that shape my version of Lee Everett. Each time I click a dialogue option, I carefully think about whether it's not what my Lee would say, based on the events that have occurred before that dialogue option even came up.

I guess some could argue that's just the illusion of choice, but the vast majority of the decisions I've made in this game have had gravity to them. They've been personally important to me. If that changes the ending in episode five or shapes episode four in some substantial way, that's awesome. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but at least I was still immersed in the narrative -- which isn't something that happens often with present-day games. And at least at the end of the day, in my own head, I'll still get to craft my own Lee Everett. Regardless of what changes and what doesn't, personal choice *does* matter to me.

That said, it really isn't fair to say that choices don't matter until we've seen episodes four and five. No one here can predict the future. Be that as it may, I never got the impression from Telltale's advertising that the game would markedly change based on your decisions -- just that it would adapt. I've played through all three episodes multiple times, and though I get the same overall plotting, I still have a fairly different gaming experience.

[Mofakin]

I have to agree with Jack on this. When I played the game through for the first time, I was amazed on the whole game idea and how Telltale understands to create an emmersive, demmanding, emotional and movie interactive adventure. There was absolutely no need for more gameplay and interaction, as the game implied a very strong thrill. You were literally urging for more story progression (I am still for the upcoming episodes) and the experience to see how the whole group will get through this mess.

But after playing through it a second time, I was a bit disappointed, since there is absolutely no difference in progression no matter what choices you've made. In the first playthrough I did what my heart told me was right. In the second playthrough I played an egoistic and negative creep that was focused on his own concernce and survival. There was absolutely no difference in the outcome of the situation after the group lost Duck and there was absolutely no difference in Lee's behavior. How I'm supposed the believe Lee is still a good person (reflected by his emotional and anxious gestik and mimic), if he right out acts like a total dick?

[Deventh]

Originally Posted by DkTimmy

I have to agree with him. I chose to go with Lilly and leave and i expected a change for the story. But was lead to the same path if i said no. Seemed like my choice didnt matter very much...

There is still 2 episodes left! Maybe we will see Lilly again and something sweet may happen. Here's hoping.

[LauriNicole]

Carley was my absolute FAVORITE character and as silly as it sounds, I'm devastated she HAD to be killed. Lilly took long enough to pull out her gun, why couldn't Lee stop her?

[Viner16]

This is the Walking Dead. If Carley wasn't a determinant and automatically was still alive at that point, people would still complain about her death but wouldn't blame lazy TellTale.

[Alex1939]

First post paying my two cents...

I agree with OP.

Someone said it would be 4 games or more in 1... how about 2?


Episode 2:

A) Go explore and return to camp.
B) Stay at camp and work.

Episode 3: You split up on the road and meet 10 miles later

A) Go side road and explore with that group
B) Go highway


Any of those scenarios can provide zombies or bandits or numerous other encounters. Any can provide different dialogue options with different characters. They don't have to last the whole episode, they could be a minor portion of each.

I also don't see the difficulty in having numerous "disposable" characters. How hard would be for 5 extra guys to be at camp? Through the game one dies each episode and your choice matters on who that is. Some guys with 5-10 lines an episode.

[FarmerJoe]

Originally Posted by Deventh

There is still 2 episodes left! Maybe we will see Lilly again and something sweet may happen. Here's hoping.

I think it's highly unlikely that Lilly will appear again this season but maybe Telltale will bring her back in season 2.She left my Lee as a traumatized friend so it would be interesting to eventually see her again and I'm sure the vengeful type would also appreciate seeing her again,if only to introduce her to a bullet

[Xarne]

Originally Posted by boxman

You clearly have no idea about game development and are expecting way too much. Saying choices dont do shit is bull.. My game had entire different conversations, with characters behaving completely different compared to playthroughs by people who made different choices. How is this no choices?

Hey, dont come in here with that 'rational thinking' crazy talk, buddy

[Master of Aeons]

Originally Posted by Alex1939

First post paying my two cents...

I agree with OP.

Someone said it would be 4 games or more in 1... how about 2?


Episode 2:

A) Go explore and return to camp.
B) Stay at camp and work.

Episode 3: You split up on the road and meet 10 miles later

A) Go side road and explore with that group
B) Go highway


Any of those scenarios can provide zombies or bandits or numerous other encounters. Any can provide different dialogue options with different characters. They don't have to last the whole episode, they could be a minor portion of each.

I also don't see the difficulty in having numerous "disposable" characters. How hard would be for 5 extra guys to be at camp? Through the game one dies each episode and your choice matters on who that is. Some guys with 5-10 lines an episode.

I like this idea. Rather than numerous branching decisions, you split every action with two courses and always keep to the same narrative line. Rather than being a railroad, it's two parallel tracks that allow for far more control and more variation.

True, a game following a storyline can't really offer true choices, but at least we get some good replay this way.