How can there be a "canon" Lilly?

[thestalkinghead]

i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon, unless the comic would just use one set of choices from the game and say that was canon.

With that in mind they couldn't have made lilly not have canon protection in the game and have choices that lead to her death and then just say that obviously that isn't TWD comic canon.

what do you guys think about the "canon" aspect of the game, and is there a "canon" story to the game?

[Zeruis]

I really could care less if the story is more canon or not. I just hope our Lilly is presented in a similar way that relates to the main character in The Road to Woodbury.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Zeruis

I really could care less if the story is more canon or not. I just hope our Lilly is presented in a similar way that relates to the main character in The Road to Woodbury.

but in The Road to Woodbury is she going to be abandoned by the side of the road or steal an RV stranding her group in the middle of nowhere, was she joined by Carley or Doug for months and who did she kill and how, all these things make for a different lilly canon

[Zeruis]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

but in The Road to Woodbury is she going to be abandoned by the side of the road or steal an RV stranding her group in the middle of nowhere, was she joined by Carley or Doug for months and ho did she kill and how, all these things make fr a different lilly canon

Ack, forgot about that part. I'm not sure. But remember at Hershel's farm when you're forced to save Shaun or Duck? The comic treats you saving Duck as "canon". I think that only one choice you made with Lilly will become canon.

[jaybreezy]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

but in The Road to Woodbury is she going to be abandoned by the side of the road or steal an RV stranding her group in the middle of nowhere, was she joined by Carley or Doug for months and who did she kill and how, all these things make for a different lilly canon

Couldn't that story start after the events in the game take place? We may not even hear about the events that we saw in the game. And if we do, it will most likely be Lilly telling the story and she can easily make things up to make herself or her dads stories sound better.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by jaybreezy

Couldn't that story start after the events in the game take place? We may not even hear about the events that we saw in the game. And if we do, it will most likely be Lilly telling the story and she can easily make things up to make herself or her dads stories sound better.

i would imagine it does start after the game, but being left on the side of the road or stranding group of survivors herself would have a different psychological effect, also accidentally killing doug or shooting carley in the face because of an argument would as well

[Gman5852]

Well Kenny did say she has about 30 miles before the van becomes useless, so its not difficult to assume she will be walking alongside the road regardless.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Gman5852

Well Kenny did say she has about 30 miles before the van becomes useless, so its not difficult to assume she will be walking alongside the road regardless.

but don't you think there is a big difference between a car breaking down and being abandoned by the side of the road

[CQ76]

I haven't read The Road to Woodbury, but I did read the comics and only briefly met her. But, As Glenn is in our game, we know that all of this happened before he met up with Rick. So the same could be true with Lilly.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by CQ76

I haven't read The Road to Woodbury, but I did read the comics and only briefly met her. But, As Glenn is in our game, we know that all of this happened before he met up with Rick. So the same could be true with Lilly.

glenn wasn't really involved in anything that changes in the game, the only difference to him is knowing either doug or carly were saved and seeing someone steal a gun and kill herself or being given a gun and killing herself.

a bit different to lilly in my opinion.

[Fluffyburrito]

Originally Posted by Zeruis

Ack, forgot about that part. I'm not sure. But remember at Hershel's farm when you're forced to save Shaun or Duck? The comic treats you saving Duck as "canon". I think that only one choice you made with Lilly will become canon.

Actually, Shawn dies regardless of if you help him or not. If you help him you get a few more "steps" into saving him but he still dies. Most decisions in the game work this way. (For instance, you try to save Larry or kill him and the result is the same.)

Overall, the comic doesn't have to treat anything from the game as cannon because the game has different decisions that lead to the same conclusion. Lilly leaves no matter what, so if the Road to Woodbury were to start with her walking along the side of the road you could either say the RV ran out of gas or you abandoned her. Wouldn't make much of a difference.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Fluffyburrito

Actually, Shawn dies regardless of if you help him or not. If you help him you get a few more "steps" into saving him but he still dies. Most decisions in the game work this way. (For instance, you try to save Larry or kill him and the result is the same.)

Overall, the comic doesn't have to treat anything from the game as cannon because the game has different decisions that lead to the same conclusion. Lilly leaves no matter what, so if the Road to Woodbury were to start with her walking along the side of the road you could either say the RV ran out of gas or you abandoned her. Wouldn't make much of a difference.

i think it makes a difference, especially for a comic driven by character interactions not events.

[Fluffyburrito]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

i think it makes a difference, especially for a comic driven by character interactions not events.

What makes a difference?

Lilly's attitude never changes regardless of your actions. She likes you more/less, but it doesn't prevent her from shooting Doug/Carly, changing into a "slightly more reasonable" leader, or leaving the group.

The only actual difference you have regarding Lilly's life is making her leave by road or her stealing the RV.

Please, tell me what other details can change regarding Lilly. There's no real effect to the decisions that the game gives you; you only change how you get to to them.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Fluffyburrito

What makes a difference?

Lilly's attitude never changes regardless of your actions. She likes you more/less, but it doesn't prevent her from shooting Doug/Carly, changing into a "slightly more reasonable" leader, or leaving the group.

The only actual difference you have regarding Lilly's life is making her leave by road or her stealing the RV.

Please, tell me what other details can change regarding Lilly. There's no real effect to the decisions that the game gives you; you only change how you get to to them.

well i think what makes a difference in a game is different to what makes a difference in a comic or book, but being dragged screaming from her father as two men kill him is different to attempting CPR when out of the blue a man kills her father (in a comic or a book this makes a difference not so much in a game) and accidentally killing the wrong person is different to killing someone in an argument (more difference in a comic or a book)

if you were going to make a comic or a book about TWD game you would have to pick one set of choices, that's why the small details mean more in a book or comic

[Fluffyburrito]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

well i think what makes a difference in a game is different to what makes a difference in a comic or book, but being dragged screaming from her father as two men kill him is different to attempting CPR when out of the blue a man kills her father (in a comic or a book this makes a difference not so much in a game) and accidentally killing the wrong person is different to killing someone in an argument (more difference in a comic or a book)

if you were going to make a comic or a book about TWD game you would have to pick one set of choices, that's why the small details mean more in a book or comic

She didn't kill Carly because of an argument. She thought Carly was a threat to the group. Just like she thinks Ben is a threat and shoots at him, killing Doug.

She justifies it in the same way and has exactly the same attitude about her Dad's death when he dies. I think you're reading WAY too much into the game here. It's a lot more linear than you want it to be. There doesn't have to be a canon Lilly because Lilly is exactly the same no matter what you do.

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Fluffyburrito

She didn't kill Carly because of an argument. She thought Carly was a threat to the group. Just like she thinks Ben is a threat and shoots at him, killing Doug.

She justifies it in the same way and has exactly the same attitude about her Dad's death when he dies. I think you're reading WAY too much into the game here. It's a lot more linear than you want it to be. There doesn't have to be a canon Lilly because Lilly is exactly the same no matter what you do.

its not the game i'm talking about, in a game these things don't make much difference (and i don't want to keep going on about how the game is the same no matter what you do, i have already said a lot about that), but in a book or comic its the small details that make a difference when you are reading it.

[YamiRaziel]

I love that the game is canon and I usually have a strong dislike for non-canon stuff.
I don't think that this is going to hurt the novel really. It doesn't really matter if she steals the RV after you've left her on the road or after you've let her go. Yes it changes the relationship between Lee and Lilly but I doubt Lee will be mentioned a lot. Even if it is I guess it's going to be quite vague. That will be the case with Larry as well.
Canon Lilly is the same as in the game. Her personality remains the same, it is just that you're seeing different aspects of it. A person doesn't just changes because you've been nice to them. Lilly changes a lot but that's due to events that always happen - Larry's death for example.

As for Shawn, there's no canon choice there. He always dies so it doesn't really matter if you've tried to save him or not.

thestalkinghead I was left with the impression that you wasn't happy with the choices in the game. What's with the nitpicking and canon worries?
I think it's actually quite the opposite. Those small things do not matter outside Lee and his group. They are irrelevant to the universe and to canon. They do matter, however, to the player, to Lee as a character and to their interaction with the rest of the characters.

[Fluffyburrito]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

its not the game i'm talking about, in a game these things don't make much difference (and i don't want to keep going on about how the game is the same no matter what you do, i have already said a lot about that), but in a book or comic its the small details that make a difference when you are reading it.

Then I really don't get the point of your post. I originally thought your OP was talking about the Road to Woodbury, and now you seem to be talking about some sort of comic that would be based on the game? (No offense, but your grammar is kinda hard to understand at some points in your OP and a few others.)

What do you mean by "canon" Lilly? You obviously don't mean big details, especially since you agree the big details are the same and her attitude remains the same.

If you mean how the player approaches some decisions in the game regarding Lilly, (And honestly you get a grand total of 2 that actually affect her in some way.) then you're just stating the obvious that there couldn't be a "cannon" way to approach those decisions.

You said, "i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon" and I simply suggested that there are almost no details that change regarding Lilly. Even the small details don't amount to anything.

*Leaves thread for good with confused look on his face, wondering what the heck the thread was even about.*

[thestalkinghead]

Originally Posted by Fluffyburrito

Then I really don't get the point of your post. I originally thought your OP was talking about the Road to Woodbury, and now you seem to be talking about some sort of comic that would be based on the game? (No offense, but your grammar is kinda hard to understand at some points in your OP and a few others.)

What do you mean by "canon" Lilly? You obviously don't mean big details, especially since you agree the big details are the same and her attitude remains the same.

If you mean how the player approaches some decisions in the game regarding Lilly, (And honestly you get a grand total of 2 that actually affect her in some way.) then you're just stating the obvious that there couldn't be a "cannon" way to approach those decisions.

You said, "i think there are so many details that can change regarding Lilly that it would be impossible to say any of those details were canon" and I simply suggested that there are almost no details that change regarding Lilly. Even the small details don't amount to anything.

*Leaves thread for good with confused look on his face, wondering what the heck the thread was even about.*

well, because the book The Road to Woodbury is set after the game, and lilly in the comic is after the game, this means things that happen in the game are a part of lilly's story.

obviously i count big details as canon, but i count small details as canon as well, what is hard to understand about that?

because i count small details as canon this means there cant be just one "lilly canon"

@YamiRaziel
you're right i didn't think many of the choices had much affect on the game, but games and books are different, more details matter, if in a game a character tells you to hurry to get somewhere, and then you just stand there and look at him for a while then wander around the place knocking over things in the room, then go off to the place you are told to go, that wouldn't do anything to the story and wouldn't matter, but if you read a book and the character was told to hurry to go to somewhere and he just did a load of weird stuff then went to the place he was supposed to go that would actually matter in a book.

[DreadMagus]

Originally Posted by thestalkinghead

what do you guys think about the "canon" aspect of the game, and is there a "canon" story to the game?

Canon and unchangeable.

- You meet Lilly in Macon at a drugstore
- She survived with her father and a group until he was killed in a freezer
- Her group was almost eaten by cannibals, but they survived.
- She was "forced" to leave her group because she killed someone (the details don't matter if you don't elaborate)

Anything that doesn't have a variable is canon, and anything with a variable that leads to the same place can be left vague. And in the end you have an easily coherent story.