I.. Don't know..

[AsariTears]

So who threatens Ben when they find out he's the one that was dealing with the Bandits?

Lee sure goes off his rocker! But it kind of made me rewind and do the segment again because although it's a damn crappy thing to do. It was Lilly that caused what happened.

So my question to you all, who do you ultimately blame?

Ben or Lilly?

And how did you react to Ben when he fessed up?

[Viser]

I asked why he would do that, but kinda hoped Lee would be a little less aggressive about it. The boy was already drowning in guilt.

And I can't really blame anyone... I mean, it's not like they did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

[Kiel555]

I threatened Ben and was never more disappointed with Lee when he did not kick Ben off the train as ordered. I suppose you could say I/Lee was upset with Ben when he admitted to being the traitor.

Ultimately, I blame Kenny for everything that went wrong up to now. It all hinged on that meat locker incident. Even after reading over a thousand pro and anti Kenny posts on the fuck Kenny thread, I remain fully convinced that kenny is 100% to blame for the loss of the group. In my game, Kenny went against me and murdered Larry. Right or wrong, that single action set into motion a series of tragic events beginning with Kenny's loss of Lee's friendship.

Ben will be executed for treason just as soon as the story permits.

[RafaelBrasileiro]

I hate more Lilly, but Ben has much of the blame as well, so I hate him too,and I threatened him.
I just hate she more because it was Lilly who shot! Ben was stupid and cowardly, but he did not want to kill anyone.
I hope they both die in hell!: D: D

[Yertos]

For me depends on if you have Carley or Doug. If Carley I blame Lilly, she straight up shot her in the face. If Doug I blame Ben more because Doug died trying to save Ben who he also was trying to help, Doug took a bullet for Ben.

[FarmerJoe]

I won't have Lee kill Ben if the situation arises but I did threaten him on a train. He needed to fully realise that he made a big mistake, which ultimately caused everything to spiral out of control. Sometimes a person needs a kick up the backside(verbal or not) rather than:

"Its ok Ben I understand,tell me about your feelings,do you feel you are respected in this group? tell me how you'd like to contribute to the group,what can we do to make you feel more comfortable and accepted in the group? don't worry I promise we'll understand,Let's work this out together as a group"

He needed to understand that he should think about,and fear, the possible consequences of his actions.Sadly the episode 4 trailer doesn't fill me with much hope.

[8Bit_System]

Originally Posted by Yertos

For me depends on if you have Carley or Doug. If Carley I blame Lilly, she straight up shot her in the face. If Doug I blame Ben more because Doug died trying to save Ben who he also was trying to help, Doug took a bullet for Ben.

Wait, Lilly is the bad guy if she shot Carley, but Ben is the bad guy if Lilly accidently shot Doug, trying to kill Ben? Urm...

[Wrighty]

I wasn't hard on Ben and I mainly blamed Lilly. Who knows, if she didn't scare everyone maybe Ben would have told the group. He made a mistake but he made it because he thought he was protecting his friend and I respect that. I'm definitely not going to blame him for it. And at the end of the day, it was Lilly who shot a innocent person in the face with no proof. Pinning the blame on Kenny/Ben for Lilly's decision to pull the trigger just seems stupid.

[Gaming Maniac]

I think Ben is guilty as if he wasn't giving the supplies there wouldn't be an argument and everybody would be happy (unless they are devoured by walkers). And yes I threatened him.

[AsariTears]

I have to agree with Kiel555 actually. I thought to blame Ben because with any chaos there is always a trigger. And so when I looked back, I assumed that Ben giving away the rations was the trigger. It could be argued that it was, in fact, Kenny who started it all.

But contemplating on that now I'm not so sure. If Larry were still alive and had been revived successfully then shit would have hit the fan much worse if Ben still decided to give out the rations.

I'm going to have to blame Lilly though, Wrighty had it wright. If Lilly didn't scare everyone so much, Ben might have fessed up, before anyone was harmed.

God I hope that b1tch got killed. Which is fascinating because I'm usually a very loving and compassionate person.

But as Katjaa said, "there's always a line." And Lilly didn't cross it. She jumped in a landspeeder and went Mach 5 over it.

[Yertos]

Originally Posted by 8Bit_System

Wait, Lilly is the bad guy if she shot Carley, but Ben is the bad guy if Lilly accidently shot Doug, trying to kill Ben? Urm...

Doug died trying to save Ben who should not have been saved, while with Carley she just gets shot point blank in the head. They're both to blame but I don't blame Lilly AS much when you have Doug rather the Carley.

[8Bit_System]

Originally Posted by Yertos

Doug died trying to save Ben who should not have been saved, while with Carley she just gets shot point blank in the head. They're both to blame but I don't blame Lilly AS much when you have Doug rather the Carley.

Ben is not to blame for either death from my standpoint. Lilly chose to be a murderer, wether she snapped or not. There was no reason to shoot anyone of the group at all.

I actually liked Lilly and understood her issues but when she decided to shoot, she also decided to load all the guilt on her shoulders.

[rachellouise85]

I blame the bandits. cowards picking on one of the weakest to get what they want. I hope they all got munched on.

I didn't want Lee to be too hard on Ben. Though he is still pretty harsh wit the "Geez Ben..." or whatever. Then when I talked to Ben again, and he was surprised that I still wanted to talk to him, I chose the "of course" one. After that it was mostly Hi, then Bye. Watching Ben's head just fall into his hands again.

[Sir Fruitcakes]

Ben, Lilly, And Kenny, all have something major in common...They all did what they thought was necessary, and nothing will change that.

So in my opinion I will blame none of them, forget killing someone over a mistake.

[Rock114]

Honestly, it was a failure of the group in general that got us to this point. Lilly and Kenny share the blame for letting things go as far as they did, so they have to take a lot of heat. What Ben did was only the catalyst, but his actions were so unnessecary and stupid that he gets just as much blame. There were so many different and better ways he could have handled the bandit situation that may have resulted in us keeping the motel, and nobody dying. Kat, Duck and Carley/Doug are on HIS head. Especially Doug, if you saved him.

I threatened Ben on the train even though I knew it was him before the bandits even attacked. He stayed silent and let agood person die because of him. Carley sticks up for him, while Doug takes the bullet outright for the kid. Carley/Doug didn't have to die, but Ben let it happen because he didn't have the courage to admit his mistake. If he had fessed up, I wouldn't have let Lilly, or Kenny, or anyone kick him out. He did what he thought was right, and if he could take responsibility for everything that went wrong because of it then he deserves a second chance. I would have made HIM the one to shoot Duck though, so he could see what his actions caused. But since he wasn't willing to admit what he did was wrong, and stupid, he got ANOTHER person killed. That was pure cowardice, and if he crosses my Lee one more time he'll wish we'd left him at the motel during the raid.

[Fabrimuch]

I don´t know what to think of anyone anymore. I had a nice relationship with Lilly until she shot Carley. When she did, I didn´t dare leaving her by the side of the road, so she then stole the RV from me. And when Ben confessed, I didn´t threaten him either.

They were both to blame for Carley´s death, but I didn´t have the strength to do anything to either of them. When I reflected on that in my playthrough, it made me feel like shit.

[Zeruis]

I ultimately decided that it was Ben's fault for getting the group out from the motor inn. It's good that he confessed to Lee for what he did. From what I can see from the episode 4 trailer, he's not going to have the courage to tell Kenny.

[WowMutt]

Originally Posted by Viser

I asked why he would do that, but kinda hoped Lee would be a little less aggressive about it. The boy was already drowning in guilt.

And I can't really blame anyone... I mean, it's not like they did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!

Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!

it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

[Rock114]

Originally Posted by WowMutt

Reminds me of a movie I watched lastnight. Tomorrow, when the war began!

Is basically a Aussi version of Red Dawn.. But a scene in it had one guy fall asleep on watch and nearly got the group caught/killed.. They were ready to kill him for sleeping on watch!

it's not like he did it to harm the group on purpose. It was just a situation that got terribly out of hand.

regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

Actually, I believe there was a similar scene in Platoon, an American movie set during the Vietnam War. Near the beginning, some guy fell asleep and I think the other was too afriad to do anything when the Viet Cong showed up, so one or two guys ended up dying in the firefight, plus the guy who fell asleep. They were ready to lynch them, and the guys who messed up the watch were new, just like Ben was to our group.

[Viser]

Originally Posted by WowMutt

regardless, the actions of one can seriously affect the rest of the group in a dire manner!

When faced with a situation as severe as a ZA or War, there has to be a line drawn where "oop's I'm sorry" or "I didnt mean too" or "I was scared" can no longer be valid excuses.

This is now a world of if you fuck-up, you and the rest of us die!

I've no pity for Ben regardless of his age or what he's been through. We've all been through the same and worse and his actions have already caused deaths. He cant be allowed to risk our lives again!

But if you look at it, everyone has fucked up their on way somehow. I see that whole situation outside the RV not as something that's only one person's fault, that whole "mental breakdown" thing has been building up ever since episode 2, when Lilly and Kenny started arguing. Ben's deal was just the last straw. That's why I can't blame anyone, because then a lot of people would be to blame for that.
So, Ben fucks up once. He feels guilty as hell, it seems to me that the mistake won't repeat itself. But if he keeps fucking up, I won't be so forgiving. For now (and just now), I'm fine with him, and I hope he and Lee can build some sort of friendship and trust, so Lee can help him in situations like the one with the bandits.